The Universe is Mental, God is the All in Everything

a reply to: Deetermined

Hopefully, others will recognize this charade of a philosophy that you have adopted as some kind mind cluster to keep you from having to try and answer the hard questions about life for yourself. You're not doing yourself any favors in playing tricks on your own mind.

Life is this that is happening.................what can be known about what is actually happening?
It is the great mystery.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I only appear contradictory to you because your mind is one big contradiction to itself.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

I only appear contradictory to you because your mind is one big contradiction to itself.

Did you imply that because I don't think about death that I am evil?
And did you then go on to admit that you do not believe in death?

Please clear up the contradiction.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Did you imply that because I don't think about death that I am evil?

No. You're evil because you refuse to separate yourself from it. Claiming to be a part of everyone's good and evil is just a cop-out mind trick that you're playing with yourself.

And did you then go on to admit that you do not believe in death?

I don't believe in eternal death, just a human one.

Please clear up the contradiction.

There. I cleared it up for you, but your mind still won't be able to comprehend what I just said because it refuses to acknowledge any answers. It only knows to question itself until it wears itself down to mush.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Did you imply that because I don't think about death that I am evil?

No. You're evil because you refuse to separate yourself from it. Claiming to be a part of everyone's good and evil is just a cop-out mind trick that you're playing with yourself.

And now you are lying!!
Where did I claim to be part of everyone's good and evil?
I believe it is your mind that is playing tricks.
Please post a quote of where I said 'I am a part of everyone's good and evil'.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I'm not lying. You're lying to yourself by confusing yourself with your own statements. All you do is contradict yourself.

If you claim that EVERYTHING is God, then that includes evil and yourself. Don't bother trying to turn the tables by claiming that because you're not witnessing it in the here and now that it doesn't exist. That would be lying to yourself again. You're one big contradiction trying to hide behind endless questions hoping that no one will notice.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain
If you claim that EVERYTHING is God, then that includes evil and yourself.

What is is God.

But thoughts don't deal with what is..........there is a presupposing of something that isn't.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Just another cop-out. By not thinking what "is God", now you don't have to ask yourself or think about, what "isn't God". How convenient, but much expected from you.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Just another cop-out. By not thinking what "is God", now you don't have to ask yourself or think about, what "isn't God". How convenient, but much expected from you.

Realise the false and the true will reveal itself.
Can thought tell you what IS?

Surely thought appears in and as what IS. But it does not make what thought says true...............it's an appearance.

Can anything appear outside the seeing knowing presence?

a reply to: Deetermined

What can you say that is true?

There seems to be something appearing and it is constantly changing the way it looks.....and that's it really.

Now you have a go....say something that is true.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Realise the false and the true will reveal itself.

Can thought tell you what IS?

Surely thought appears in and as what IS. But it does not make what thought says true...............it's an appearance.

Can anything appear outside the seeing knowing presence?

Yes, we already know that you've drained your mind of "thought", and therefore, aren't capable of "realizing" anything, even though you continue to use such words to contradict your own statements.

"IS" can't reveal itself to "IS" because "IS" already knows what it "IS". This is why you are NOT "IS".

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

"IS" can't reveal itself to "IS" because "IS" already knows what it "IS".

'What IS' can't reveal itself to what IS because it is being what IS.
The great unknowing.

The Cloud of Unknowing (Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing", at which point one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Itisnowagain

The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing"

Let me guess, you didn't "realize" (because you have to use thought to come to a realization) that the above statement contradicted itself when it said that it used "contemplative prayer" to "abandon consideration"?!

Seriously? You really don't "realize" how ridiculous that sounds, do you?

a reply to: Bloodworth

If there is an infinite amount of other universe, which multiverse theory seems to imply, then there is as much chance of our own universe coming about down to the laws of probability then there is of intelligent design.

The argument is not so much circular but a bubble/torus-shaped conundrum.

Weird place indeed, and certainly interesting times in which we live.

a reply to: Deetermined

Contemplative Prayer is a prayer of silence, an experience of God’s presence as the ground in which our being is rooted, the Source from whom our life emerges at every moment…. Contemplative Prayer is the opening of mind and heart – our whole being – to God, the Ultimate Mystery, beyond thoughts, words and emotions. We open our awareness to God whom we know by faith is within us, closer than breathing, closer than thinking, closer than choosing – closer than consciousness itself.

Contemplative prayer, in its simplest form, is prayer in which you still your thoughts and emotions and focus on God Himself. This puts you in a better state to be aware of God’s presence, and it makes you better able to hear God’s voice correcting, guiding, and directing you…. The fundamental idea is simply to enjoy the companionship of God, stilling your own thoughts so you can listen should God choose to speak. For this reason, contemplative prayer is sometimes referred to as ‘the prayer of silence.

bereanresearch.org...

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would provide a link that not only refutes your definition, but all of your beliefs too. You didn't read the whole thing did you?

Nowhere in this link does it say that "contemplative prayer" involved "abandoning consideration". If anything, it tells you to open up your mind and heart to all consideration.

Everything in this link that describes who God is, is just the opposite of what you've been trying to tell us.

According to the link, God can be known.

originally posted by: Deetermined
Nowhere in this link does it say that "contemplative prayer" involved "abandoning consideration".

Yes...well 'abandoning consideration' did not appear on it's own..............the sentence read ' abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes' - and instead ' be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of unknowing'.

According to the link, God can be known.

To know God is to be God. Sri Ramana Maharshi.

Christian contemplation, from contemplatio (Latin; Greek θεωρία, Theoria[1]), refers to several Christian practices which aim at "looking at", "gazing at", "being aware of" God or the Divine.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Yes...well 'abandoning consideration' did not appear on it's own..............the sentence read ' abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes' - and instead ' be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of unknowing'.

Why would anyone abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes? Why would you CHOOSE to replace it with unknowing? It is a choice by the way and that's exactly what you have done.

I saw that too.....................God cannot be known.........................how can 'what is' know itself..............it is one without a second. What is can only BE itself.

God can be known, just as the link said. That's why people pray to God in the first place, otherwise, you're just speaking to yourself. You don't need prayer to speak to yourself.

How can God know himself? Just as you and I are capable of knowing and understanding ourselves. There is no mystery behind your "What is" or "Be". You're just trying to create a mystery thinking that it will eliminate the possibility of you having to answer for your ego-driven non-choices some day. Not going to happen.

Play dumb all you want. It's all a matter of choice. Know Him or continue to ignore Him all you want. That's the reality.

a reply to: Deetermined

Tell me about your God.......I would like to hear how you define God.
What is God to you?