Conservatives call for constitutional intervention last seen 230 years ago

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: neo96




It’s funny they don’t want to address any of the actual institutional problems that matter..

A) Term limits only matter because we are allowing corporations and big donors to buy and sell politicians..

If you ban lobbying it doesn’t matter how long they stay in office.. they are still only accountable to their voters..

B) speaking of term limits..

Term limits don’t stop the new ones from being paid off, lol..

Hell the new ones are probably way cheaper to pay off just like with anything else..

If you pay for a rookie electrician it is cheaper than paying for a master electrician.. it seems to me it would be way cheaper to pay off a rookie congressman..


C) thank god state law doesn’t trump federal law..

Slavery would still be legal..

Segregation would still be legal..

Women still couldn’t vote in some states..

Child labor laws..

EPA regulations like clean air and water stuff.

No draft could be maintained if needed,.


Everything you listed are symptoms of the corruption that no republican has ever even mentioned it existed..

What a load of snip.

Don't like freedom eh?

Miss that line about vetoing ANY federal law?

originally posted by: neo96
I'd fully support this agenda. Balanced budget,TERM LIMITS for CONGRESS,repealing the federal income tax, and give states power to veto ANY federal law. If it actually comes to fruition, I think it could be one of the best things that has happened in modern times.

If you do this you may as well disband the United States. Fifty separate countries. That should work well because...freedom

I'm plenty amiable to the proposals, but considering the atmosphere in DC, I suspect something very sinister & unAmerican is afoot. This is just a carrot to follow, a reason to ignore one hand while the other does something else -- I bet it never comes to fruition while something nasty does.

a reply to: schuyler

And?

This country is screwed.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: neo96
I'd fully support this agenda. Balanced budget,TERM LIMITS for CONGRESS,repealing the federal income tax, and give states power to veto ANY federal law. If it actually comes to fruition, I think it could be one of the best things that has happened in modern times.

If you do this you may as well disband the United States. Fifty separate countries. That should work well because...freedom

As the country gets bigger in population, we'd be wise to at least look into broader autonomy and go forth as the 56 American territories. Otherwise, the option is to mirror India or China's government dysfunction.

At one point i thought it would work and is necessary but there are much safer alternatives.

Remove amendments one at a time using the current process.

If the representatives would all agree under a convention then they would agree under normal operating procedure.

What exactly would you all like to be changed and what makes you think anyone agrees with you enough to change them?

a reply to: neo96

I have to admit that I like some of the possibilities proffered, but am fearful to tamper with our awesome constitution during such divisive and emotional times. I have difficulty believing that true logic will rule to the benefit of We The People. Sigh.

The multiple divisions appearing in our country lately have all been emotional impulsive explosions creating unrealistic biases across the board. America has always been different from the rest of the world and that is what has empowered all of us as a nation, and individually.

I do believe that there may be some good in tweaking it slightly due to truely historical lessons learned in the last 230 years that our forefathers never forseened how global connected our world would become due to advances in technology and communication.

Unfortunately, I honestly believe that at this time we would create more division rather than unify our United States.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: schuyler

And?

This country is screwed.

Yep. Unless the Feds stop spending like drunken sailors (both parties), this wont be sustainable much longer. yet, politicians continue to promise free goodies for the masses, with no real plan for the future.......the balanced budget thing needs to happen soon.

The 14th amendment already gives veto power over federal law.

So not exactly sure what they mean.

People are right though.

IF we did have a convention ANYONE can bring up ANYTHING they want.

And when they do it's usually bad for us.

No. This would not be a constitutional convention for and by the people. It would be a constitutional convention to completely rewrite the constitution in favor of international corporations.

The public relations team working to push this forward have offered simple conservative talking points to draw conservative voters into their web. Once that convention takes place we will find that there is an entirely different agenda at play, one that would push conservatives and liberal alike into a complte frenzy were they to know ahead of time that that real agenda was after.

Don't fall for it. The, the powers that be, have been waiting for this chance for quite a while.

originally posted by: neo96
The 14th amendment already gives veto power over federal law.

So not exactly sure what they mean.

People are right though.

IF we did have a convention ANYONE can bring up ANYTHING they want.

And when they do it's usually bad for us.

IF we did have a convention ANYONE can bring up ANYTHING they want.

And when they do it's usually bad for us.

As much as I disagree with what you say most of the time, I am in full agreement on that point. And the ANYONE and ANYTHING that might arise and take control of a convention like this is exactly what would happen.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I have to agree with you, much like you just did with Neo, but since we will be neighbors in 4 weeks, I need to work on our relationship😉

This is what happens when you pull the pendulum too far left. The pressure to swing it too far right becomes irresistible. Those who are against this (and that might include me; I am concerned) can thank the sanctuary cities and and liberal judges that have resisted the will of the people. They have left the right no (peaceful) alternative but to try this.

It seems some just can't get their head around the concept that not everyone agrees with them. The country just went through a major recession caused by government insistence that people who could not afford to buy homes should have them anyway. We then went through 8 years of the most sluggish 'recovery' in memory, driven by liberal policies that dumbed down the populace through abuse of the public education system, overloaded the unskilled job market through liberal immigration policy, and further depressed the overall job market by driving companies away with excessive regulation and high taxes. The people finally rose and said "ENOUGH!" They elected a businessman to try and get the economy to recover. Hope and change had failed.

That businessman quickly turned things around, but that wasn't acceptable to those who had lost power over their failure. They have tried to thwart the recovery at every turn out of pure spite that they didn't retain power. There will be several posters who will vehemently deny this; it matters not. Their statements speak for themselves. Now, just like a swing, when pushed too hard too many times will spin around in a circle, the political system will spin out of control as well.

Anyone who was happy with the freedoms we all had before should be concerned. This convention, while it may have some good ideas now, opens a door to pretty much anything the states want. That could be a very bad thing, and those who will consider it the worst among us are themselves responsible for whatever happens.

There is still a good possibility it will not happen; the framers of the Constitution made a convention difficult for a good reason. Every judicial decision to thwart a sitting President, every legislative move to try and silence a sitting President, and every protest against things that are untrue for the sole purpose of trying to thwart the will of those who elected him, will bring it closer to fruition. And should it come to fruition, there is a good chance we will all lose, but a certainty that those who caused it will.

TheRedneck

I can imagine the scenario where it is held and;

The 2nd Amendment is repealed

The 1st Amendment is rewritten where you can't say anything hurtful

And taxes are mandatory from birth until 30 years after you die.


And they'll call it the Patriot Freedom American Act.


I distrust congress THAT MUCH.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: neo96
I'd fully support this agenda. Balanced budget,TERM LIMITS for CONGRESS,repealing the federal income tax, and give states power to veto ANY federal law. If it actually comes to fruition, I think it could be one of the best things that has happened in modern times.

If you do this you may as well disband the United States. Fifty separate countries. That should work well because...freedom

If we did this we would actually undo the damages caused to our country by the Civil War. You know, the one where the Federal government effectively turned over the 10th amendment and ended up with entirely too much power over the States.

We were supposed to be essentially 50 different countries, united under a Federal government that was in charge of defending all 50.

That's why we are called the United States... not the United State.

Sad that people don't know that. I blame public schools.

a reply to: neo96

" Probably a pipe dream. "


Unfortunately True . Looks like Centralized Government is here to stay , it Pays to Good........(

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

A realist knows once government gives itself power. It's never going to give it up.

originally posted by: neo96
The 14th amendment already gives veto power over federal law.

So not exactly sure what they mean.

People are right though.

IF we did have a convention ANYONE can bring up ANYTHING they want.

And when they do it's usually bad for us.

Yes, anyone can bring up anything they want.

However, it is the same process as an Amendment to the Constitution.

There are checks and balances... it must be ratified by a majority of the states. Just without the Federal legislative branch having an input... instead the States have the input.

So it isn't like the left wants you to believe... that 3 states can just get together and amend the Constitution so that we all have to wear Vag hats and we all scream at noon every Friday as we live the Handmaiden's Tale.

a reply to: Lumenari

The time for this was the red tsunami when the left 1000 seats.

This close to the midterms.

It's a bad move.

a reply to: neo96

You are perhaps forgetting that the Federal government would not be involved in the process.

So the midterm elections really don't matter.

There are also more than a few blue states that would join the Convention just to overturn Citizen's United.