Chicago police confronted for planting bait car full of Nikes in the Ghetto

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


ok, then "I wanted to trade the shoes for food, but you arrested me first"

Maybe they would consider that circumstance.
I wonder if they would be believed?
After all, they stole, maybe they are also a liar?

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So everyone that has answered that they would never steal i wonder now if you are prepared to back up that claim if you were to go on skid row for a while?

After all we should be able to admit that necessity can play a huge role in decision making.

Some people even feel that garbage cans are private property.

That is a very slippery slope. So you are saying the individual doesn't matter? It is all about the environment. So all you would have to do is take someone with high morals and a black/white sense of right and wrong, put them into the hood and 'poof' they become thieves without a conscious?

Or the parental environment is fully responsible for how children grow up. If that is a bad environment then we can't hold the kids responsible when they commit a crime?

Same thing for a wealthy family situation. If a child learns insider trading from their parents and how to avoid detection, then it should be perfectly OK.

In saying that, it removes all responsibility and accountability from the individual.

You are going down the same road as those that want to ban guns. Simply holding the piece of metal in your hands makes you want to shoot someone. The bigger the piece of metal, the more damage you want to inflict.

originally posted by: spacedoubt

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: gamer2343

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: gamer2343

What's illegal about picking up a $100 bill lying on the ground .. who does it belong to?

The poster earlier said they’d return it to the police station apparently they’re the most honest person of which I’ve ever had the privilege to converse

I did. The amount I picked up was perfect to have been someone's entire part-time pay cashed. Someone might have been relying on that. How can you just walk off with it?

Very honorable.

If a 17 year old Black kid in A large city found a few hundred bucks, what do you think his comfort level would be taking it down to the police station to turn it in?
I'm just speculating, but his decision making process might be different.

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a reply to: gamer2343

I had my license my senior year of high school at 16.

originally posted by: spacedoubt
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why do the thieves live in the hood?
Why do you call it the hood?

That is a really good point. Maybe the hood isn't about abject poverty and crime but about the people who inhabit it. So it is not about poverty or lack of parenting that is the issue here, it is the morals of the people that inhabit the area. Those morals lead directly to crime. Then businesses move out of an area due to that crime which further leads to deterioration.

As toys pointed out before, the hood is the hood because of the people that inhabit it. We will never be able to revitalize the hood until we revitalize the people that occupy it.

That would even be further supported by those WITH morals deciding to leave the hood because it sickens them.

I wonder if there are other areas of very low income and wealth that we could study. Areas where poverty doesn't lead to crime. Where people have so much less than the rest of us but continue to act with honor and form a strong righteous community. I wonder if there are examples out there?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: spacedoubt

Because they caught them and that's where they lived. I don't understand the question.

sorry, yes, I'm asking a lot a questions, but I think it's fair to present alternative sides to this

I'm asking about the term "hood"..is that a derogatory term?
Is that different than saying something like "the west side of town" or something like that.
If you say that someone is from the "hood" is that a term that would be construed as them being more likely to be guilty?

Also, what creates a situation where people feel the need to find places where there are more valuable things to steal?
My assumption is that not many in the "hood" have nice things...Like good Shoes and so forth. Status symbols..
If they are doing it for drugs, why is that? why does the "hood" and drugs go together?

a reply to: spacedoubt

Hood is a common term. I don't think it's derogatory. I judge people by the content of their character.

The rest of your questions are pointless for the thread. I don't care why someone broke into my house and terrorized my wife, they did. Not having status symbols is not an excuse, guess what, I don't have them either because I'm not about that life.

Here is my question to you, where do kids get their morals and culture from. Government? Parents? Community? Where does this culture of theirs come from, that these actions are acceptable?

a reply to: spacedoubt

Your assumption wouldn't be correct. You'd be surprised at the number of really nice, name brand things kids left behind in the schools at the end of the school year when I taught inner city. You'd be surprised at the number of times this or that kid would brag about how his momma took him to the downtown mall with $300 to spend on himself for his birthday, etc.

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: spacedoubt
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why do the thieves live in the hood?
Why do you call it the hood?

That is a really good point. Maybe the hood isn't about abject poverty and crime but about the people who inhabit it. So it is not about poverty or lack of parenting that is the issue here, it is the morals of the people that inhabit the area. Those morals lead directly to crime. Then businesses move out of an area due to that crime which further leads to deterioration.

As toys pointed out before, the hood is the hood because of the people that inhabit it. We will never be able to revitalize the hood until we revitalize the people that occupy it.

That would even be further supported by those WITH morals deciding to leave the hood because it sickens them.

I wonder if there are other areas of very low income and wealth that we could study. Areas where poverty doesn't lead to crime. Where people have so much less than the rest of us but continue to act with honor and form a strong righteous community. I wonder if there are examples out there?

I think you might be able to find areas that are poor, with lower crime.
My gut tells me they have low populations, where everyone knows everyone else.
And even law enforcement comes out of the same gene pool, in those areas.
Where instead of handcuffing you, the cops just tells your mom.
And that food could be obtained with a gun and a hoe.
But I could be wrong.

originally posted by: ClovenSky

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So everyone that has answered that they would never steal i wonder now if you are prepared to back up that claim if you were to go on skid row for a while?

After all we should be able to admit that necessity can play a huge role in decision making.

Some people even feel that garbage cans are private property.

That is a very slippery slope. So you are saying the individual doesn't matter? It is all about the environment. So all you would have to do is take someone with high morals and a black/white sense of right and wrong, put them into the hood and 'poof' they become thieves without a conscious?

Or the parental environment is fully responsible for how children grow up. If that is a bad environment then we can't hold the kids responsible when they commit a crime?

Same thing for a wealthy family situation. If a child learns insider trading from their parents and how to avoid detection, then it should be perfectly OK.

In saying that, it removes all responsibility and accountability from the individual.

You are going down the same road as those that want to ban guns. Simply holding the piece of metal in your hands makes you want to shoot someone. The bigger the piece of metal, the more damage you want to inflict.

No i am not going down the road that gun grabbers go down...

I was very clear in saying that the act of stealing is the same no matter the object or circumstances and that i am very much glad for discretion in the law.

No slippery slope here. It is like a cop ignoring a seat belt law in some cases or a someone seeking asylum on the border being givin a court date and sent on their way in some cases and in other cases separating travelers for the safety of a child in immediate danger.

So in summery you can say i am no fan of zero tolerance in the law and neither should anyone else be.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: spacedoubt

Hood is a common term. I don't think it's derogatory. I judge people by the content of their character.

The rest of your questions are pointless for the thread. I don't care why someone broke into my house and terrorized my wife, they did. Not having status symbols is not an excuse, guess what, I don't have them either because I'm not about that life.

Here is my question to you, where do kids get their morals and culture from. Government? Parents? Community? Where does this culture of theirs come from, that these actions are acceptable?

Hood, is also an old nickname for a criminal.
If you cared about why people broke into homes, there might be a way to eventually reduce or stop the crime.
Morals come from your environment. All of the above. They might not have been raised right because their father was arrested for stealing shoes from a bait truck, 18 years ago!

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So everyone that has answered that they would never steal i wonder now if you are prepared to back up that claim if you were to go on skid row for a while?

After all we should be able to admit that necessity can play a huge role in decision making.

Some people even feel that garbage cans are private property.

Stealing for food or to stay alive is a lot different than picking off a car full of new shoes.

No that is only a partially true statement.

The item is indeed different but the act of taking something that does not belong to you is the exact same.

There is no difference except in the mind.

Stealing a can of beans to feed your child and stealing a pair of shoes to look good in the hood are in no way the same thing

I would not stake anything of value on the statement you just made here.

I do share your sentiment and value discretion in the law but the thread that binds the two instances is indeed the act of taking something that does not belong to you.

I don't care what you'd stake

Your opinion to, and that's what it is, is your own and I could give a rats behind

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: gamer2343

I had my license my senior year of high school at 16.

Well people barely had drivers licenses where I went to school, And you were a senior at 16 that’s nice, Where I went to school there were lots of people getting picked up and dropped off at school we were still catching school buses and public transportation, Some of them even got rides home from teachers we weren’t really thinking about drivers licenses,

a reply to: dragonridr

I understand where you are coming from but I don't think its much of a deterrent, it's already illegal to steal stuff and that doesn't stop them... There needs to be a major overhaul on the system for things like that to change... Thieves in the past had their hands cut off, that still didn't deter them from stealing.

a reply to: spacedoubt

Or they might not have been raised right because daddy never intended to marry mommy in the first place.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Ah, got it. Thank you for the clarification.

a reply to: spacedoubt

Could be, I would say it's highly unlikely since they weren't doing this 18 years ago. Don't think you know me and what I care about. Before I moved down south I worked at group homes and Elementary and Middle schools as a counselor in urban schools mainly populated by minorities. I only switched to mental health because down south they don't have the position I did up North.

Don't think you know me.

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So everyone that has answered that they would never steal i wonder now if you are prepared to back up that claim if you were to go on skid row for a while?

After all we should be able to admit that necessity can play a huge role in decision making.

Some people even feel that garbage cans are private property.

Stealing for food or to stay alive is a lot different than picking off a car full of new shoes.

No that is only a partially true statement.

The item is indeed different but the act of taking something that does not belong to you is the exact same.

There is no difference except in the mind.

Stealing a can of beans to feed your child and stealing a pair of shoes to look good in the hood are in no way the same thing

I would not stake anything of value on the statement you just made here.

I do share your sentiment and value discretion in the law but the thread that binds the two instances is indeed the act of taking something that does not belong to you.

I don't care what you'd stake

Your opinion to, and that's what it is, is your own and I could give a rats behind

Wow you tryin to take me to kindergarten.

I never said you cared...

It is a crow fartin fact that stealin is taking something that does not belong to you. That is not an opinion and if we look back you are the one who first replied to my comment with your opinion as fact.

There is no need to take this any further as we have both made our points.

a reply to: gamer2343

Yep, they changed the law after I started school so no one could start at my age so unless you are ~40 you couldn't be my age.

People barely stole from my neighborhood and this bait car too. How many people live around there, how many stole? It only takes a few.

Like I said, these are thieves, why are you assuming they have a license, it's possible they just drive without one. They are also car thieves and will drive around in stolen cars, like the car they stole from my next door neighbor.

a reply to: BlueAjah


Why You were worrying about material snip, 30 folks got shot in 3 hours?