Tommy Robinson Freed On Bail As Court Orders Retrial

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Words

You think so most here do not.

Most once thought the sun revolved around the Earth. What most think does not make something true.

You blokes have your spelling off.

Sounds funny when you spell jail gaol.

Why not just gel?

Anywho never trust a man named ROBinson.

originally posted by: Words

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Words

You think so most here do not.

Most once thought the sun revolved around the Earth. What most think does not make something true.

It is just a play on words.

Many think the son revolves around the earth. We call it the moon.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Actually, "Gaol" is the Scottish equivalent of "Jail".

So the spelling is correct, as is the word.

a reply to: Words

Don't think the Scumbags did get off, the Scumbags got serious time! All thought nowhere near enough for tampering with children.

a reply to: gortex



He might be a different person now that he has had some time to reflect all the same.

a reply to: Words

I think you might find that it is indeed breaking the law by being disobedient to and discourteous toward the court and the law.

Robinson failed to obey a previous lawful order of a court, he also attempted to disrupt the proceedings of another trial through poor behavior directly outside the building so he could publish his hate speech on social media.

Simply cannot do that and expect to get away with it without there being a consequence.

Thats what i mean.

a reply to: Boadicea

Under color of law, sure.

So you agree that according to the law as it stands Tommy Robinson committed a crime.
The rights or wrongs of the law are a topic for a discussion in another thread, start one I'll contribute....and probably surprise you.

Crock of #.

You swearing, which doesn't bother me in the slightest, and I wouldn't dream of commenting on it if you hadn't later commented on my use of swear words.

But all irrelevant really given the topic at hand.

If folks can't distinguish between fact and fantasy, then they shouldn't be on a damn jury to begin with.

Under other circumstances there's a good chance I'd agree with you.
But the law at present is ALL that counts when discussing this.
And the FACT is that Tommy Robinson's actions threatened this trial. It could have resulted in a retrial and as such prolonged the victims trauma and delayed 'justice' being served.

Potentially derailing this trial was not the time or place to highlight some of the failings of our judicial system.

I don't think that's an accident or a coincidence. That was the plan.

Of course it was....and Tommy Robinson played ball with them.

Want to tell me again how Tommy Robinson is the problem???

I've clearly stated what the problem is - the disproportionate number of people from within sections of our Asian communities who are targeting and grooming young, white, vulnerable girls for sexual exploitation and abuse.

I think we both agree with that.

But I personally don't believe Tommy Robinson's actions help the situation.

It would be treated with more urgency if the truth were known and not hidden...

It would have been treated with more urgency if the victims weren't perceived to be 'poor, white trash' who a caring society should be protecting and helping rather than abandoning.

But hey, all this smoke in mirrors bollocks talking about Tommy Robinson is really helping THEM.

The truth does get reported, after the verdict.

Is that right?
I don't know, never professed to be some sort of legal expert.

Subjective... not objective. I'm betting those girls who were brutalized and sexualized and otherwise abused see it a little differently. But hey -- not YOUR problem, eh?

I doubt they would have give a toss if a retrial had been ordered thanks to Tommy Robinson....they would just have thought that their torment has been prolonged and justice delayed.

Not my problem...theirs!

Classy.

Never professed be classy.

Sure, sometimes I swear....sorry if some words offend you, just say it as I see it free from any ideological restraints or group / parry allegiance.

A little defensive there, huh?

Never, ever defensive.
Think you may have misread me there.

This post is overly long.

I think the little digs at each other haven't shown either of us in a particularly good light.

Let's agree that its the victims who should be all of our's primary concern and we should be concentrating on addressing this rather than arguing semantics.

I was informed that Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into the ethnicity of grooming gangs and their victims.
www.theguardian.com...
www.independent.co.uk...

Let's hope this is a genuine investigation and will be honest and transparent and its findings made public free from any editing and PC interfering.

My experience of politicians leads me to doubt that, but we can only wait and see.

a reply to: Freeborn

I'm impressed! Pretty awesome of you to take the time and thought to respond. It's very much appreciated!!!

So you agree that according to the law as it stands Tommy Robinson committed a crime.
The rights or wrongs of the law are a topic for a discussion in another thread, start one I'll contribute....and probably surprise you.

And there's our disconnect. We can and do agree on the facts of the law. But of necessity the jury (and the people) must judge both the facts of the law and the facts of the crime. If the law is illegitimate (and it is), then the "crime" is likewise illegitimate.

I refuse to ignore the authorities who created this problem. They are the problem. Such a law never should have been passed and Tommy Robinson never should have been jailed.

You swearing, which doesn't bother me in the slightest, and I wouldn't dream of commenting on it if you hadn't later commented on my use of swear words.

But all irrelevant really given the topic at hand.

Not entirely irrelevant... I can swear like a sailor so I really have to try not to... I obviously wasn't trying hard enough. I had already checked myself a couple times, but I didn't catch myself there.

However, I didn't call you any insulting names... only your argument.

But the law at present is ALL that counts when discussing this.

I get what you're saying... but no. Just no. This is exactly how and why crappy laws stay on the books. And it's exactly why the Founding Fathers supported jury nullification. If we just focus on and blame the guy who broke the crappy law, then the law remains. We must challenge the law.

I've clearly stated what the problem is - the disproportionate number of people from within sections of our Asian communities who are targeting and grooming young, white, vulnerable girls for sexual exploitation and abuse.

I think we both agree with that.

Yes, I think so...

But I personally don't believe Tommy Robinson's actions help the situation.

I don't think Tommy can hurt the situation either.

The greater problem is that these gangs have been covered up and ignored and protected by the authorities for far too long. And bullies do tend to target the weakest, and the authorities know if the families have the resources to fight or not. It's just a sick ugly circle that feeds itself.

However, the lack of transparency is a huge part of the problem in how these gangs continue to do their dirty deeds. It has to stop.

But hey, all this smoke in mirrors bollocks talking about Tommy Robinson is really helping THEM.

Exactly!!! The authorities pass a crappy law that protects the guilty, and when the do-gooder breaks the law, all the attention -- and blame! -- is placed on the one guy trying to stop the abuse...

The truth does get reported, after the verdict.

Is that right?
I don't know, never professed to be some sort of legal expert.

As I understand it, yes, the verdict is reported... but the proceedings are not. So we have no idea what actually went on in the courtroom. (If I'm wrong about that, someone please correct me!!!)

I doubt they would have give a toss if a retrial had been ordered thanks to Tommy Robinson....they would just have thought that their torment has been prolonged and justice delayed.

In my own experience, and I've heard similar from others, the verdict -- even if guilty -- is rather anti-climactic. The damage is already done. There's nothing we can do to change what already happened. Obviously, a not-guilty verdict would just add insult to injury. But it is what it is.

So to a great extent, I do believe that the greatest benefit is ensuring there are not future victims.

Never professed be classy.

I'll take your word for that... but your very thoughtful response is pretty darn classy. So you've got it in ya!

Sure, sometimes I swear....sorry if some words offend you, just say it as I see it free from any ideological restraints or group / parry allegiance.

I don't mind the swearing. They're pretty much just words to me! I take exception to the personal insults.

Never, ever defensive.
Think you may have misread me there.

This post is overly long.

I think the little digs at each other haven't shown either of us in a particularly good light.

My apologies for my part in that. We can do better. And I think we're starting to do better.

I was informed that Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into the ethnicity of grooming gangs and their victims.

Let's hope this is a genuine investigation and will be honest and transparent and its findings made public free from any editing and PC interfering.

That's a good start. Let's hope for the best and see where it goes. Maybe they're feeling the pressure. Maybe something is changing.

originally posted by: Words

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Words
Robinson plead guilty once it was explained.
But yeah let's let the guy off even though he broke the law. Does it work that way in the states...nope.
Streaming yet sentenced people could have brought a mis trial I for one do not want the victims of abuse to have to go through it all again. Robinson could have caused all that pain plus the many hundreds of thousands of pounds it would have cost.
He was an idiot tbh he knew what he was doing and still did it.

I don't find "he broke the law" to be a great argument, especially when the law is trash. Think about all the homosexuals who broke the law in your country and had to spend time in jail. Would you dismiss them by saying "well, they broke the law"?

No, facebook streaming or whatever does not cause pain and misery and money nor a mistrial. The silly law does./

Either you obey the law or you become a criminal, so which one of the 2 are you ?

a reply to: andy06shake

And your guess would be absolutely right.

Frankly speaking, the groups he is a part of, helped found, and inspired, are all far more toxic and dangerous to our country than ISIS is.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Freeborn

I'm impressed! Pretty awesome of you to take the time and thought to respond. It's very much appreciated!!!

So you agree that according to the law as it stands Tommy Robinson committed a crime.
The rights or wrongs of the law are a topic for a discussion in another thread, start one I'll contribute....and probably surprise you.

And there's our disconnect. We can and do agree on the facts of the law. But of necessity the jury (and the people) must judge both the facts of the law and the facts of the crime. If the law is illegitimate (and it is), then the "crime" is likewise illegitimate.

I refuse to ignore the authorities who created this problem. They are the problem. Such a law never should have been passed and Tommy Robinson never should have been jailed.

You swearing, which doesn't bother me in the slightest, and I wouldn't dream of commenting on it if you hadn't later commented on my use of swear words.

But all irrelevant really given the topic at hand.

Not entirely irrelevant... I can swear like a sailor so I really have to try not to... I obviously wasn't trying hard enough. I had already checked myself a couple times, but I didn't catch myself there.

However, I didn't call you any insulting names... only your argument.

But the law at present is ALL that counts when discussing this.

I get what you're saying... but no. Just no. This is exactly how and why crappy laws stay on the books. And it's exactly why the Founding Fathers supported jury nullification. If we just focus on and blame the guy who broke the crappy law, then the law remains. We must challenge the law.

I've clearly stated what the problem is - the disproportionate number of people from within sections of our Asian communities who are targeting and grooming young, white, vulnerable girls for sexual exploitation and abuse.

I think we both agree with that.

Yes, I think so...

But I personally don't believe Tommy Robinson's actions help the situation.

I don't think Tommy can hurt the situation either.

The greater problem is that these gangs have been covered up and ignored and protected by the authorities for far too long. And bullies do tend to target the weakest, and the authorities know if the families have the resources to fight or not. It's just a sick ugly circle that feeds itself.

However, the lack of transparency is a huge part of the problem in how these gangs continue to do their dirty deeds. It has to stop.

But hey, all this smoke in mirrors bollocks talking about Tommy Robinson is really helping THEM.

Exactly!!! The authorities pass a crappy law that protects the guilty, and when the do-gooder breaks the law, all the attention -- and blame! -- is placed on the one guy trying to stop the abuse...

The truth does get reported, after the verdict.

Is that right?
I don't know, never professed to be some sort of legal expert.

As I understand it, yes, the verdict is reported... but the proceedings are not. So we have no idea what actually went on in the courtroom. (If I'm wrong about that, someone please correct me!!!)

I doubt they would have give a toss if a retrial had been ordered thanks to Tommy Robinson....they would just have thought that their torment has been prolonged and justice delayed.

In my own experience, and I've heard similar from others, the verdict -- even if guilty -- is rather anti-climactic. The damage is already done. There's nothing we can do to change what already happened. Obviously, a not-guilty verdict would just add insult to injury. But it is what it is.

So to a great extent, I do believe that the greatest benefit is ensuring there are not future victims.

Never professed be classy.

I'll take your word for that... but your very thoughtful response is pretty darn classy. So you've got it in ya!

Sure, sometimes I swear....sorry if some words offend you, just say it as I see it free from any ideological restraints or group / parry allegiance.

I don't mind the swearing. They're pretty much just words to me! I take exception to the personal insults.

Never, ever defensive.
Think you may have misread me there.

This post is overly long.

I think the little digs at each other haven't shown either of us in a particularly good light.

My apologies for my part in that. We can do better. And I think we're starting to do better.

I was informed that Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into the ethnicity of grooming gangs and their victims.

Let's hope this is a genuine investigation and will be honest and transparent and its findings made public free from any editing and PC interfering.

That's a good start. Let's hope for the best and see where it goes. Maybe they're feeling the pressure. Maybe something is changing.[/


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nO UK justice doesn't allow the EDl to name child victims, breal jhutice and court law interfering with cxourt cases, let paedo'sw go off free.

EDL aere football hooligan racists fuelled on coke. stella and knock off fake 'edl' atire thety buyfreom Muslim stores.

Guys are a #ing embarrasment to the UK. all they've achined is pusing young teens to join Jihad treatinng Muslims aas unrtermention criminals

compare US law to UK nd you'll seebhoiw brainwashed US it.

a reply to: bastion

nO UK justice doesn't allow the EDl to name child victims, breal jhutice and court law interfering with cxourt cases, let paedo'sw go off free.

EDL aere football hooligan racists fuelled on coke. stella and knock off fake 'edl' atire thety buyfreom Muslim stores.

Guys are a #ing embarrasment to the UK. all they've achined is pusing young teens to join Jihad treatinng Muslims aas unrtermention criminals

Apparently you are not aware that Robinson cut ties with the EDL some time ago, in large part because of the racist element it attracted, and he also worked with authorities to investigate them. He also had a very public altercation with one of those members due to their politics.

compare US law to UK nd you'll seebhoiw brainwashed US it.

Brainwashed, huh? Okay.

a reply to: TrueBrit

So he's the reason people from your country traveled to Syria in such big numbers to join isis?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: andy06shake

And your guess would be absolutely right.

Frankly speaking, the groups he is a part of, helped found, and inspired, are all far more toxic and dangerous to our country than ISIS is.

Also, the main executioner on those videos cutting off innocent people's heads was a brit. Are you sure about that exaggeration?

a reply to: JDmOKI

Yes, I am sure. You know why?

Because ISIS are not a threat to Britain the nation. They are a threat to individuals within it, but they do not threaten what it means to be British, they do not threaten the concept of Britain, they do not threaten the law of Britain, they do not threaten the natural state of all Britons, which is the opposition to all forms of fascism, phobia related hatred and bias.

The horde of evil, fascist scum that are the EDL, the BNP, and the people who support filth like Robinson, are a threat to the actual nation, its meaning and the meaning of citizenship of this nation, in a way that no mad bomber ever could be, ever was, or ever will be.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well our goobermant did have a hand in the creation of both nefarious organizations.

"They" have a finger in every pie really.

Aye, Robinsons is indeed nothing but a dangerous toxic little individual, and not even for the reasons most people imagine. The guy craves attention in spades, and seeks to do so by way of some very inflammatory remarks.

Infamous little bastard really.

a reply to: bastion

Come on now, are you really saying that it is EDL that is inspiring UK Muslim people to go abroad and kill for IS and not extremist literature and preaching's obtained in radical Mosques or through the internet.

I'd even give you a pass if you said that it was UK /US foreign policies.

a reply to: JDmOKI

Would that not be misguided religious belief combined with a healthy measure of peer pressure from the wrong sort of people and role models that are responsible those sort joining ISIS?

He might take the derry for quite a few low IQ type, Specialbrew swigging, knuckledraggers joining the EDL and the like all the same.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well my opinions about free speech are far different then yours and I can take someones different opinions without a need for a BS prison sentence. Theyre shutting him up in prison no matter how you wanna rationalize your worldview about it. A year sentence for a non violent crime.

I'll never endorse jailing someone just because I don't support their worldview. Even if I truly and deeply disagree with them as long as they're not calling for violence on others.

If you wanna keep going down this road you better fall in line and make sure you don't have views that your government doesn't like.