Tommy Robinson Bailed after appeal win.

a reply to: Freeborn

It’s not just Asians doing this


www.bbc.co.uk...

Look pretty white to me

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: Freeborn

It’s not just Asians doing this


www.bbc.co.uk...

Look pretty white to me

Good info. Got any others, to compare to the number of muslim grooming gangs?

Need more than 1. My google fu is down for the night, will rely on yours to help. Cheers!

originally posted by: Freeborn
But how many of our 'leaders' are openly stating this and advocating proactive measures?

Well.

Guardian article

The home secretary has ordered that research be carried out into the characteristics of child sexual abuse gangs, such as those that have blighted towns and cities like Rotherham, Oxford and Newcastle in recent years.

and... Indie article

a reply to: paraphi

If true, and there seems no reason to think it is true, then it is definitely a step in the right direction.

However, my distrust of politicians, of all political persuasions, and given the veracity and transparency of some other government initiated investigations and inquiries etc, I am a bit suspicious as to what their findings will be, how much they will reveal to the public and the effectiveness etc of any subsequent actions and recommendations.

But, we have to positive and hope that its the start of something that can go at least some way into eradicating this evil practice.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Of course its not just Asian, show me where I ever said that.

Its disproportionate within certain section of Asian communities - that's as plain English as I can get.
Hugely so in fact.

I even alluded to the long standing paedophile ring in Westminster - nonces are far too common.

Strangely enough, no-one at all has commented on whether they think the reaction would be different if they were white children from Middle Class backgrounds?

Its a shame on all of this country that hardly anyone really cares because the vast majority of these children come from poor, white, urban backgrounds.

a reply to: Freeborn

Asian men are disproportionately represented in grooming gangs yes.

However grooming gangs are sub set of organised child abuse which is in turn a sub set of overall child abuse.

We don't spent near enough time and resources dealing with child abuse as a whole.

originally posted by: Freeborn
Strangely enough, no-one at all has commented on whether they think the reaction would be different if they were white children from Middle Class backgrounds?

It's recognised that the victims of this type of abuse have been unheard by social services and police, precisely because of their backgrounds. This was compounded by the fear of social services and the police in acting against the perpetrators of the abuse, lest they be called racist.

It's good that the social services and the police have woken up and are now tackling the failure of multiculturalism. These grooming gangs and the lack of action were a direct result of the failed project multiculturalism.

a reply to: maya27

Then change the law the way it's supposed to be changed.

Not by ignoring it, then getting upset because you get slapped down for it.

Changing the law, rather than ignoring it, will have a much more far reaching positive effect.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
Great news.

It was obvious to anyone but the people who let hate lead their judgement that what happened to Robinson was unfair.

The actions of the judge who sent him to jail were disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself - and probably removed from the bench.

Robinson committed no offence. I think a real review of what he did and a trial if necessary will show that.

Great to see that the judge who heard the appeal understands that we do not accept tyrants who would throw people in jail because of how the feel about one of their political enemies.

#freetommy

Funny then he pled guilt...

Not really. He was told to at the same time he was told he wouldn't be jailed.
5hrs from arrest to jailing and not having your own lawyer. No surprise it was all a bit hectic
Bottom line is that justice has prevailed and you were completely wrong on your views at the time.
He may still face punishment but now we have a proper process, not some out of control judge punishing a political enemy.
It was obvious this was a terrible injustice at the time, but you let your hatred of a man you know nothing about, apart from what the media tell you, get in the way of common sense.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
Great news.

It was obvious to anyone but the people who let hate lead their judgement that what happened to Robinson was unfair.

The actions of the judge who sent him to jail were disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself - and probably removed from the bench.

Robinson committed no offence. I think a real review of what he did and a trial if necessary will show that.

Great to see that the judge who heard the appeal understands that we do not accept tyrants who would throw people in jail because of how the feel about one of their political enemies.

#freetommy

Funny then he pled guilt...

Not really. He was told to at the same time he was told he wouldn't be jailed.
5hrs from arrest to jailing and not having your own lawyer. No surprise it was all a bit hectic
Bottom line is that justice has prevailed and you were completely wrong on your views at the time.
He may still face punishment but now we have a proper process, not some out of control judge punishing a political enemy.
It was obvious this was a terrible injustice at the time, but you let your hatred of a man you know nothing about, apart from what the media tell you, get in the way of common sense.

Or pled guilty because he was obviously guilty.

Know more than enough about him to realise what he is. But keep on your fan boy love of him

a reply to: seagull

I worked within Prison/ reform for years. I have never ignored it.

originally posted by: MerkabaTribeEntity

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: skywatcher44

all this does is waste more money - and give the little scroat an oportinity to do monething else equallly stupid - while on bail

What is stupid is a Judge locking him up for simply filming in an open and public street, reporting on the trial of a bunch of filthy, disgusting 'men', who had been grooming and raping young girls; the public have every right to know that this sort of thing is going on in their neighbourhood.

If you're going to hate on someone, at least hate on them for something worth hating over.

For the record, I'm no Tommy Robinson fan.

Ye filmed is crimes outsid4e the xourt. Reportiing restrutions to protext child vulnerability, DPA, 1954 Childen Act = thyehave anonmit. You can#t film on court streps, eapursila rials, call suspexts victy paedopjilles until sentencted, interer with trial by asking questions on stop - laberkled bulty and usinhg lbel and slur before vvecdict was written - ery very cllock to ecape £two yers

Tommy filmsea rape citims, the accusation, beok resportingh law, reocrded on court entrance, repeated a sepended sentece and has been illegally doeing this for six years at it denies far trie, intimidates culerable witness, hgas called Tommy fans to attack jurors and have paedos let of free due to violence thr4eats and Tommy ty[per leaking names and report restrictions.

Tomy is doing nothing but putting vulnerbale girls at risk by perverting course of justice, jeapurdising trials and making up fake ones liem the girlk made into a kebab in bkacjooik.

Plus he's a mssice widebeaqterm coolheaded, hooligan ans fraudsters - met him on a dew EDL incestifartions, ok bloke b ut as soon as he'a on the coke and stella he's off paki bashing.

Not a dig a tyou = merely pointing ouyt ra[id lurch to lunatic fringle EDL-Nazi ground (abut 100 comares toarund 180,000) trIained neonZIS.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Asian men are disproportionately represented in grooming gangs yes.

Thank you for acknowledging that FACT.
And it's massively disproportionate.

However grooming gangs are sub set of organised child abuse which is in turn a sub set of overall child abuse.

True.
But that's just trying to excuse and disguise the true extent of child grooming gangs in some Asian communities.
What is being reported is just the tip of the iceberg.

And again I ask, just how different would the response be if it were middle class white girls from the Home Counties that were being systematically abused?

We need to start being brutally honest if we are to address the problem.

We don't spent near enough time and resources dealing with child abuse as a whole.

On that point I wholeheartedly agree.
Which begs the question; WHY?

a reply to: paraphi

It's recognised that the victims of this type of abuse have been unheard by social services and police, precisely because of their backgrounds.

Its slowly being recognised.
But at least finally someone on ATS has had the balls to acknowledge this.

This was compounded by the fear of social services and the police in acting against the perpetrators of the abuse, lest they be called racist.

Without a shadow of a doubt.
The PC Brigade that seems to dictate so much regarding official policies and attitudes deems that any criticism or negative comment on cultural practices of ANYONE of an ethnically diverse origin is racist and bigoted.

That in itself is diversive and creates conflict.

It HAS to change.

Hopefully this initiative by Sajid Javid will be the start of that process.

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: doobydoll

Of course the number of grooming gangs that have gone to trial are just the tip of the iceberg.
The reality is that they are common place and hugely disproportionate in a specific section of our society.

As I stated in another thread; would this be treat with a bit more urgency if the victims came from middle-class families living in the Home Counties etc?

Another consideration is the number of paedophiles in the upper echelons of the established elite. Bear in mind the long standing paedophile ring in Westminster itself.

Deflect and discredit is an obvious tactic.

Yes I was about to mention the paedos that are in charge of everything, govt. High-ranking politicians' heinous crimes have been deliberately concealed for decades by each other. Documents conveniently go 'missing' or 'destroyed in error' or 'lost'. And that's the end of that. No investigation to how they were lost, missing or destroyed. No-one taking responsibility. No-one held accountable. No-one disciplined or sacked. We're supposed to just forget about it like it's nothing.

It's all an absolute disgusting disgrace.

It's reasonable to assume these rape gangs are not eradicated as the provide a buffer against all the pedophiles in government and their elitist friends. Keeps the focus off them as such.

a reply to: Freeborn

Pointing out that grooming gangs are a set of child abuse isn't making excuses. Its highlighting that the problem of child abuse is much greater than just these gangs. The attempts of racist feck wits like Robinson to portray this as a Muslim problem does far far more to hide this than it brings anything out into the light.

Abuse is happening to middle class girls from the home counties. It just far more likely to be committed by a member of their family or person in position of authority. Middle class girls don't find themselves in the scenarios where they can be targeted by grooming gangs. Another lovely example of how class and inequality affect every element of your life chances in the UK.

Over application of PC certainly contributed to the initial accusations not being treated seriously enough. However also to blame is racists EDL types who people understandably don't want to be associated with. If we didn't have the racist propaganda thrown out by these morons then perhaps people in authority would have then the accusations more seriously without fear of being seen as racists.

On child grooming.

The research to date shows that grooming is predominate an Asian thing. Noting the UK "Asian" term means from the Indian subcontinental area, so if you are from the US then please note this fact.

Indie article

British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it'

A think tank has claimed that 84 per cent of people convicted of child grooming-gang offences since 2005 were Asian.

Of course, statistics are there to be mistreated, and the defenders will say that white people are more likely to commit sex crimes. That is true, but white people make up the majority of the population (in most places anyway) and usually act alone. What's unique with the grooming gangs is that they are gangs and the numbers - from a proportion of the ethnic population are disproportionate.

Extract of the original researh - the book costs a few quid

EDIT to add. Can you imagine being a girl in Pakistan. The level and scale of abuse must be shocking.

a reply to: ScepticScot

..... the problem of child abuse is much greater than just these gangs.

Of course it is, but, and its a MASSIVE but, the presence of grooming gangs is so disproportionate within many Asian communities.
For some reason there seems to be a huge reluctance in some quarters to acknowledge this.

The attempts of racist feck wits like Robinson to portray this as a Muslim problem does far far more to hide this than it brings anything out into the light.

Sorry, I've got to disagree.
The PC Brigade have made everyone #scared to level any sort of criticism at certain sections of our society for fear of being immediately labelled racist.

There is a specific problem with grooming gangs in Asian communities targeting and exploiting vulnerable, young white females.
That doesn't lessen other forms of sex crime and paedophilia and shouldn't stop us doing everything within 'our' power to do something about that.
But we can also do something about this specific problem.

Sajid Javid seems to at least be open to the possibility;
www.theguardian.com...
Labour MP Sarah Champion has been pretty outspoken about the subject.

Lets hope this is more than just empty, political rhetoric.

And this should not in any way mean that we should lessen our resolve in trying to tackle and punish ALL other forms of sexual abuse and paedophilia.

Some blame 'racists' for all the worlds ill's.
The real people to blame are the scumbag perverts who do the noncing and the people who deserve our sympathy and compassion are the victims.....everything else is really just smoke in mirrors.

a reply to: Freeborn

Are you implying that the authorities are letting these rape gangs rape indiscriminately for fear of being labeled racist?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Are you implying that the authorities are letting these rape gangs rape indiscriminately for fear of being labeled racist?

How can I say this without being too blunt?

Yes.

And it serves to both deflect and distract public attention away from their own nefarious deeds.

a reply to: Freeborn

The police are only following orders, so racism isn't likely to be a motivating factor, more likely helping to hide the behavior of the elites and their government minions . Still it's a stretch to call police rape enabling scumbags when their own children could potentially be victims. Pieces are missing from the puzzle.