My party is better than your party

a reply to: carewemust

It's your party and you can cry if you want to. (I know I would be to see what's it become)

a reply to: interupt42

As long as the vast majority of yanks continue to believe that the only parties are Dems and Reps, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, will change.

Guess what action causes major changes?

War - short of a civil war, nothing will change because no-one is courageous enough or operationally-ready enough to take on the Military/Industrial complex.

As long as Trump continues to insist that folks vote REPUBLICAN, nothing will change.

If I was a yank, I would never vote for either party as I believe in the individual mandate - not the collective one, because the collective one is dictated by those with ulterior motives whose actions and words prove they don't have the interests of 'US citizens' in mind, just the lining of their own pockets whilst sacrificing the Constitution.

a reply to: rickymouse

I'm sorry to comment off-topic.

I'm going to write you a u2u. I have a question and you really know your stuff.

originally posted by: amazing
It's kind of easy. There's lot's of things we can do.

Go to town hall meetings, email, call and snail mail our representatives, Sign online petitions and so on. Most of us do none of them.

Then Vote. Even if it's just for third party candidates or write ins. Especially in local elections, every vote counts. I won an election by 6 votes one time. But especially on Ballot questions. That's what's led to legalization in most states. It's not our representatives doing anything.

Let's then push for term limits.

Lastly turn off the news. All political shows or one sides, every single one of them. When someone who claims to be an expert or a journalist or a talk show host only tells you one side of the story that's how you know their lying. Everyone on MSNBC, Talk Radio, Huff post, Brietbart, Fox news. They're all lying to you. Turn them off.

Then just think about it, why is politics the only thing where we don't work together. In every other facet of life it doesn't matter what your political ideology is. I was in the army, I trained with republicans and democrats. It never came up. my last 20 jobs....no one said. "your a liberal, I can't wash dishes with you" LOL

That's only in the make believe world of ATS, News Media, and politicians does it matter. Wake up.

Here's an easy example to tell you if your brainwashed or not.

Nearly every single democrat in the US believes in man made climate change. Nearly every single republican in the US denies it.

LOL Science isn't political. You only believe as you do, because you're brainwashed.

I commented to the wrong poster.

I commend yours though.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: interupt42

Sorry, I did not vote for Obama. Not once! trump is the biggest liar to ever grace the White House. Today Rudy is saying collusion is not a crime.

If the trump camp did collude, and trump has been lying about it this whole time, he needs to step down. Lying for almost a year and a half, calling everything Fake News, when it is indeed the truth, is NOT OKAY!

I vote for, who I feel is the right choice. I knew trump stunk, long before he was running for POTUS.

It makes me sick, to watch him lie, over and over.

I still know what he did last Summit!

First off, you do realize that collusion is not, in fact, a crime?

Foreign nationals are allowed to help in our election process.

What is illegal is PAYING them for helping in it.

Like when Hillary and the DNC paid for the Steele dossier?

THAT is illegal.

But hey!!! One side good, one side bad!!!

What we need to actually do is vote out the Progressives in BOTH parties and get back to minding our own business and living life.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Well that is the thing about hippies.

Everyone is welcome.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: interupt42

As long as the vast majority of yanks continue to believe that the only parties are Dems and Reps, nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, will change.

Add: As like as they act like there are only two party's, speak along the narrative that there are only two party's, ignore the other parties, vote for incumbents because of two party politics, not vote against the two parties at every opportunity, etc.

In other words quit thinking along the lines of the MSM's tunnelvision narrative (the Fox Colludes with all the "Liberal" Media to perpetuate), quit being walked around like robots by the puppetmasters, etc.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Exactly, more Americans should realize this by now!

Congress has the lowest approval rating ever, yet we continue to make excuses and support the wrongs of both "self-serving" parties. Instead of attacking fellow Americans, voters should be attacking a system that ignores the voice and needs of the American people.

a reply to: interupt42

We can't get term limits for congress.





Nothing will ever change unless we have a revolution, zombie apocalypse, meteor impact, EMP blast, or they run out of booze.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: interupt42

Sorry, I did not vote for Obama. Not once! trump is the biggest liar to ever grace the White House. Today Rudy is saying collusion is not a crime.

If the trump camp did collude, and trump has been lying about it this whole time, he needs to step down. Lying for almost a year and a half, calling everything Fake News, when it is indeed the truth, is NOT OKAY!

I vote for, who I feel is the right choice. I knew trump stunk, long before he was running for POTUS.

It makes me sick, to watch him lie, over and over.

I still know what he did last Summit!

First off, you do realize that collusion is not, in fact, a crime?

Foreign nationals are allowed to help in our election process.

What is illegal is PAYING them for helping in it.

Like when Hillary and the DNC paid for the Steele dossier?

THAT is illegal.

But hey!!! One side good, one side bad!!!

What we need to actually do is vote out the Progressives in BOTH parties and get back to minding our own business and living life.

Collusion isn't a crime but conspiracy is. Specifically, conspiracy to defraud the United States. Gates already pleaded guilty to general conspiracy against the US, and Manafort is facing much more serious charges from his initial charges from the Special Counsel. We have public evidence of Trump (tweets, tv appearances, statements) and Manafort seemingly obstructing justice, I expect the Special Counsel to be looking into that as well. You can add in false statements to the FBI.

Scream Hillary until your face turns blue, Trump's being exposed as the treasonous muppet he is and you should be ashamed to cheer on a hostile foreign nation (who have hacked into the US power grid, by the way, not that you care) sinking beets deep into the US election process.

a reply to: interupt42


Thats for not wanting to be sitting in the mud with this thread.

I haven't thought it through enough to say if that is the number 1 problem but it sure as hell is a main one.

They will not go on their own and there is no amount of voting that will help.

The votes aren't real if they can be hacked or bought by someone....if someone can hack and vote 1000 times or change a few numbers,your vote doesn't really matter anymore.
For every shady conflict of interest kicked out....another one is coming through the back door systematically.
A friend of a friend who owns the company that provides the voting machines,a judge high up,a big oil investor etc etc

It is just THAT far gone.IMO

I think another main issue is that if the government is already owned (via the back door) by oil,the federal reserve and lobbiests ,then any change of presidents doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

The people that would truly shake up the corruption will be systematically weeded out,as the system has evolved into making sure that happens.

Also,if the winners,owners and leaders of the game,get to change the rules as they see fit...how are people ever being given any options whatsoever or truly being represented??
There is no more power of the people if this is the case?

There is not a whole lot of humanitarian motives involved in the decision making process.IMO
Economic motives come first.

Another main issue is a media that tells people what to think and plays on people's insecurities and fears to get results,aka group thought.

ethicsunwrapped.utexas.edu...

Unfortunately, if groupthink takes hold, group members may not even question ethically dubious decisions and actions. For example, some people say that the Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq because of non-existent weapons of mass destruction was due to groupthink. Indeed, groupthink can cause us to value harmony and consensus over independent judgment, and can lead to unethical behavior.

This is just 1 example.
The media says "this is what everyone else thinks" and people just go with it,with a few protesting here and there.

I guess to summarize.
It is not just lobbists,it is also media,big money groups and people's willingness to be apathetic to it all.

If ratings for all major news agencies dropped to 0 and ammo sales went up...you might see that they truly are willing to see you as the enemy for wanting proper representation (without interference) within your government.

People coming together is one hell of a scare tactic,that will be make them take notice of the people,without a shot being fired.(on your end)

If people are too divided to come together then there are no solutions and I think that is by design.


Thanks for the thread and sorry if I got long winded with my post.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

The people that would truly shake up the corruption will be systematically weeded out,as the system has evolved into making sure that happens.

Absolutely agree with everything you said.

That is why I think its so critical for individual republicans and democrats to put their political differences ( temporarily ) on the side and join forces. As you said no amount of voting is going to fix this, especially while both sides are bashing themselves silly.

We need to join forces and get focused on getting conflict of interest out of DC , so we can have a louder voice that is not so easily dismissed.

One example is:

Peacefully joining forces and march together as Democrats,Republicans,etc on the streets (wearing D and R) shirts demanding that we solely want congress,MSM,DNC, and GOP to focus and concentrate on conflict of interest in DC at this time (ie term limits,revolving doors, lobbying, etc) .This is something all parties should want, then we MIGHT start to get heard and get our voice back.

Right now they don't care to even act like they hear you. Instead they actually tell you what you should be focused on like the symptoms of corruption versus corruption itself. Hence nothing gets fixed ever and we continue on our infinite wheel of insanity.

Sure...
You car is bigger, your house is more expensive and your wife is much hotter.

....and you are probably German.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: interupt42

We can't get term limits for congress.

Nothing will ever change unless we have a revolution, zombie apocalypse, meteor impact, EMP blast, or they run out of booze.

absolutely, this is crucial.

My top list of things that must be tackled before : health care,taxes,welfare, SS,Medicare,minimum wages,racism,sexism,drugs, ,sexual orientation,religion, global conflicts, police brutality, and white privilege.

You know the stuff our politicians ,GOP,DNC,MSM like to make us focused on and yet never gets resolved.

Like you I completely agree that until we address the following items nothing will change and the wheel of insanity will continue.

1. Congregational term limits

2. campaign financing reform.

3. Lobbying reform

4. doing away with super-pacs

5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector

6. Transparency


The crazy thing those 6 things listed above should be things that both party should want and easily come together on so we can eliminate conflict of interest as much as possible. Instead both sides focus on blaming each other vs working together on those issues so we can make things better for everyone.

So what can we do to bring Democrats and Republicans together on those 6 issues? Sadly I already saw on this thread comments about trump and Hillary.

I really don't want to bring up any candidate or party because I wrote the thread to see if we can some how in this little ATS community come together on those 6 issues and possibly come up with a roadmap to progress.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: interupt42

Unfortunately, violent threats from Democrats against Republicans are GROWING.

www.foxnews.com...

They need to cut it out.

Poor Snowflake, hard diddums !
Happens on the other side of the divide too

Trump-Era Political Violence Deterring Democratic Candidates

America’s cold civil war is heating up, with countrywide reports of incidents of political violence.
In addition to a congressman-elect “body-slamming” a reporter in Montana and regular clashes between protesters in the streets, two announced Democratic political candidates have now withdrawn their challenges to Republican incumbents, citing death threats

There's much more in the the link
There are no images ...
It may well challenge your reading comprehension skills

I wonder when all this 'being better" than the "other" started? Please listen to trump define the 'elite. Please. It's very telling.

a reply to: Cassi3l

There's much more in the the link There are no images ... It may well challenge your reading comprehension skills

This type of discussions , interaction, and defense is exactly why our politicians are screwing the general public and laughing all the way to the bank with the lobbyist.

Using stupidity as a defense because the other party is stupid, is well just stupid. All its doing is keeping us fighting each other while they rob us blind.

this thread wasn't about which party is better,worse, innocent , or guilty, its about what it will it have to take for individuals to stop this type of bickering between political parties and focus on the real issue of conflict of interest in DC?

1. Do you not agree that our number priority in DC should be to minimize the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC?

2. Do you not agree that minimizing rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC would be beneficial to the majority of Americans besides the lobbyiest and special interest groups with deep pockets?

3. Do you not agree that Republicans and Democrats would not only BOTH benefit from minimize the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC but could actually join forces on this issue?

a reply to: angeldoll

Lets drop the trump vs Hillary, R vs L, etc discussions at-least in this thread . Not saying you started it but I really see no positive outcome coming from such discussions and we have a thread every 1 second about such comparisons.

Instead I would like to pose the same questions to you as well and not in a confrontational way but rather as a friendly and honest way in hopes to possibly have a positive discussion in finding a way to turn things around for both parties and for the betterment of the majority of Americans .


1. Do you not agree that our number priority in DC should be to minimize the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC?

2. Do you not agree that minimizing rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC would be beneficial to the majority of Americans besides the lobbyiest and special interest groups with deep pockets?

3. Do you not agree that Republicans and Democrats would not only BOTH benefit from minimizing the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC but could actually join forces on this issue?

Constant partisan gerry-mandering
and district-reshaping to fit the bill
will always screw the voter..
re a reply to: interupt42

As i log off :

Facebook bans pages aimed at US election interference

The social network said in a blog that it had identified 17 suspect profiles on Facebook and seven Instagram accounts.

It said that there were more than 9,500 Facebook posts created by the accounts and one piece of content on Instagram.

In total more than 290,000 accounts followed at least one of the pages involved, it added.

Facebook said the suspect accounts had also run about 150 ads on Facebook and Instagram, costing a total of $11,000 (£8,300).

The most popular fake accounts were:
Aztlan Warriors
Black Elevation
Mindful Being
Resisters

.. snip ..

It added that it "may never be able to identify the source" for the fake accounts.

"The set of actors we see now might be the IRA with improved capabilities, or it could be a separate group," explained Facebook's chief security officer Alex Stamos.

"This is one of the fundamental limitations of attribution: offensive organisations improve their techniques once they have been uncovered, and it is wishful thinking to believe that we will always be able to identify persistent actors with high confidence."

...snip...

Democratic congressman Adam Schiff said: "Today's announcement from Facebook demonstrates what we've long feared: that malicious foreign actors bearing the hallmarks of previously-identified Russian influence campaigns continue to abuse and weaponise social media platforms to influence the US electorate."

Democratic Senator Mark Warner, who is vice-chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, also pointed his finger at Moscow.

"Today's disclosure is further evidence that the Kremlin continues to exploit platforms like Facebook to sow division and spread disinformation, and I am glad that Facebook is taking some steps to pinpoint and address this activity, he said"

Despite lessons learned ..

a reply to: Cassi3l

Constant partisan gerry-mandering and district-reshaping to fit the bill will always screw the voter..

Agreed, so can we at least not do it in this thread in hopes of maybe trying something different?


1. Do you not agree that our number priority in DC should be to minimize the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC?

2. Do you not agree that minimizing rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC would be beneficial to the majority of Americans besides the lobbyiest and special interest groups with deep pockets?

3. Do you not agree that Republicans and Democrats would not only BOTH benefit from minimizing the rampant amount of conflict of interest in DC but could actually join forces on this issue?