Poor people in the UK can't eat healthy food because...

originally posted by: Nyiah
Quit whining like a woman, ...

Try not to stereotype women - 50% of the population. I am sure you meant whining "like a dog", or "like a pom" -both are permissible.

On topic, and with the flow. My son was cooking when he was young, mainly because I persuaded him it was a life skill - which it is. I myself and the main cook in the house, and I'm a bloke. I am very keen to eat well, eat reasonably healthily, and eat local.

Whatever you cook, if you do it yourself then you know what you are cooking - you don't sit and add "filler" and globs of god-knows. You just need to look at the ingredients of a shop bought lasagna, or chicken pie to know that they are full of crap, even the expensive ones. If the shop-bought is all you eat, then you'll end up looking like what you eat - full of fat.

I'll end with a caveat. You can eat rubbish, but if you exercise then you won't get fat if the effort balances the intake.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Nyiah
Lol, I haven't whined at all so choose another way to insult me and at least make it appropriate. Whining is complaining about something which makes one feel distressed or something, none of that applies to me in this thread so chosse another line and try again.

I feel sad for you and your defeatist attitude that you are incapable of following instructions for the most basic thing in life cooking food to keep yourself alive. Cooking is simply setting temperatures, timings, measurements and methods of combining ingredients. Even my son could cook aged 14, heck my mates son cooked his first roast dinner for the family aged 12. It must be awful to be unable to follow basic instructions on how to combine foods and use a scales, turn a dial on an oven and use knives and utensils to stir things with.
I feel for you and send warm love with hope for the future you will succeed in this most basic of human needs...preparing food to keep yourself alive.

I think I'll go with you might be sincere here and thank you for the encouragement. I will remind you that it's a skill, and some cannot grasp a skill no matter the time & effort put into trying. I've been trying for 20 years and no dice, 14 of it with/married to & under the tutelage of a former sous chef to a pro. If that can't work, then it's definitely like dancing, painting, singing -- some people can't learn to carry a tune, or bake a meal.

Whining like a 'woman' is a bit sexist and rather a 1970's thing to say, I'm surprised you came out with that.

I'm not going to allow the PC culture to tell me I can't self-deprecate. If I admit women are high-strung, whiny and dramatic, I'm not apologizing for it. No one should have to. Do yourself a favor and be as sexist as you want, be it in good humor or as an insult. Trust me, telling me to be useful & make a sammich isn't going to offend me. Considering what you know of my skills, is that a chance you're willing to take?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Tories are not about equality, that's a given.

As to socialism, well no matter which way you wish to slice it this nation is a monarchy.

Socialism is supposed to be all about "income equality". I hear it I've read and over and over from Progressives in the media. Clearly the end result doesn't match the ideology.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Muninn

Last time I'll ask mate, have you got any on-topic contribution to make to this thread?
All mature reasoned arguments are welcome about the topic, not me or my intentions making the thread.

What happens then?

On topic, I would love to see the actual bill for those groceries.

How is that on-topic? All you are doing now is switching from labeling me a 'fat shamer' to now a liar.
Discuss the topic, not me and my intentions. I've asked you lots of times now.
Argue my points if you disagree with any of them. This is not facebook mate.

I don't believe those costs, prove me wrong.

Most poor areas in the u.s don't have a cheap grocery store in walking distance to them but they have plenty of fast food places up in those areas.

Then walk further, fatso. Two birds, one stone.

Agreed with OP. Far cheaper to eat healthier and far quicker and tastier too if you buy a slow cooker and put stuff in the pot before heading to work or 1000s of meals that take under 20 mins total prep and cook which isn't long (especially when it can be frozen/reheated/eaten as leftovers). I spend around £20 a week to eat very well, done it on £3 a week before but wasn't the tastiest of diets.

Calling people fatso, classy.

How is it quicker to cook a meal in a "slow cooker" compared to getting fast food.

I'm
Thinking that too. Chopping celery and carrots and such is the last thing I want to be doing when I have to be at work early. That's at least half an hour added to the morning routine.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: purplemer
Vegan and plant based are different things. The irony that you are complaining about people being unhealthy because of there food and you are doing the same. You are no different than those people that are unhealthy from obesity. You are just doing it in a different way.

Oh stop with your crap arguments, for one I'm NOT complaining about people being unhealthy, I'm criticising the lame excuses people like you shout out for why they are fat, massive difference same as vegan/plant based.
How the # am I no different to someone who is fat through obesity? I'm physically fit aside from some central nervous issue causing blackouts for me, that's # all to do with what I CHOOSE to eat.
Is personal choices for the overwhelming majority of fat people.

Now, I'm still waiting for links to the wild claims you made that fat people are all fat because they took antibiotics. LMFAO, I'll be waiting a while for some peer reviewed study that isn't woo pseudo-science I bet.

I don't know why that poster didn't give a link or you just didn't do a google www.scientificamerican.com...


studies seem to show that people who don't have very much diversity in their gut microbes are obese..it is well known that there are bad microbes and good microbes...when you take anti biotics they kill everything...you need to replentish with probioctics........I believe I read something sometwhere that when they took healty gut microbes and put them into a fat person the person lost weight...that is part of the equation...not just calories in calories out

another thing...they always say eat foods that are low glycemic... so let me ask you this..if a bunch of people all ate a sandwich on whole wheat bread and the next day they ate a candy bar you would think when they ate the candy bar their blood sugar would be much higher...but it was proven not to be the case with some people who think they are eating healthy but their blood sugar was way much higher when they ate the sandwich then when they ate the candy bar.

it is not just losing the weight...it is Keeping the weight off 2 totally different things
......so many gain back over and over again...so many are so desperate that they starve themselves and yo yo diet which is so dangerous

and what are they losing..that makes a hugh difference..you want to lose fat and build muscle...but people do crazy things to lose weight...how many were fat shamed to the point they starved themselves yo yo dieted..and not only gained the weight back but extra as well..because they lost muscle and slowed their metabolism

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Just for grins I'm not a fella and I've worked in the health care industry and seen lots of conditions which are not optimal.
Like another poster suggested, people have free will choices to make. Sometimes I do feel too lazy to cook. But sometimes I get inspired.
I love going to a Whole Foods store and browse for foods. Totally favorite thing to do. Maybe you could write a book to inspire people to be creative with their diet and lifestyle. Why not throw in some yoga while you're at it. Maybe you can inspire people to eat healthy on less money. Maybe that will be your calling in life. You see a need-fill it. It could be fun. I mean if Rachel
Ray can do it so can you.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Lol, apologies, I don't know why but I'd always assumed you were a bloke!
Check me out assuming gender, I should be flogged in public!

...I don't think inspirational books make any difference, there are plenty out there and the obese population is constantly continuing to rise worldwide. I have no idea what the solution would be, but a generation from now we are going to have millions of people with diabetes and other obesity related health issues, in the UK alone.
I see fat kids aged only 3 or 4 these days and that genuinely saddens me. I almost think of it as child abuse.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Clearly.

a reply to: research100
I was too busy replying to other posters to be searching claims made by other members. You know the gig at ATS make a claim then provide a link to support it.

Regarding gut flora etc, if I had that problem then I would eat less and according to whatever intake was appropriate to my lifestyle. I would not be fat.
I'm sure there are plenty of people with poor gut flora in North Korea as well but pretty much everyone is thin.
The main issue is energy intake and energy burned, as Kim Jong Un proves quite obviously.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Lol, apologies, I don't know why but I'd always assumed you were a bloke!
Check me out assuming gender, I should be flogged in public!

...I don't think inspirational books make any difference, there are plenty out there and the obese population is constantly continuing to rise worldwide. I have no idea what the solution would be, but a generation from now we are going to have millions of people with diabetes and other obesity related health issues, in the UK alone.
I see fat kids aged only 3 or 4 these days and that genuinely saddens me. I almost think of it as child abuse.

Haha that's funny about the gender thing, but yah I can appreciate that you see something which needs a solution ... I just threw something out there that would be a positive solution.
I read a book years ago, "Clan of the Cave Bear" where it describes nomadic tribal behavior of earlier peoples, and they would travel and walk miles and miles every day and the women would gather herbs and berries as they walked. The men would scout ahead and hunt. They were called Hunterers and Gatherers. It's an anthropological term. Today we often sit for hours at a desk or watch tv or other sedentary activities. Something to ponder.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
True, but they also died in their 30's and if lucky their 40's.
I've sat at a desk for 8 hours a day in my life and was putting on weight so adapted and turned down the sticky cakes when the tea trolley came round to ensure I didn't get fat. I joined the Royal Navy Reserve and had to eat more due to punishing exercise.
I'm in physical building construction these days and on some jobs I need 3-4000 calories a day to retain muscle mass.
I've been off and on work due to some brain/nervous system blackouts issue for the last few months this year, chilling at home on ATS or at the beach. Today I only consumed maybe just over a thousand calories because I haven't used up much energy. It is a balance I take seriously because I'd never want to be fat.

a reply to: Nyiah

I'm game, roast beef and salad on a roll thx.

a reply to: Nyiah

Sorry, I missed this.
I'm a good dancer, can paint houses well but art painting think stick men, and singing I'm amazing in the shower, in my mind anyway lol
I am lucky I love cooking though, I recently gave up smoking so at home, chopping and stirring stuff is perfect for keeping my addicted idle fingers busy while I'm craving nicotine...now get in the kitchen coz there's a load of messy pots and pans need cleaning

Oi. Don't be rude to obese people.
They've got enough on their plate as it is....

a reply to: Lucius Driftwood
Lol
I've got no problem with fat people, just the 3 excuses I often read online claiming why they can't afford healthy fresh food in the UK. It really is a myth, and I felt it needed debunking.

It's not so much the food, as the metabolism.

I've gained weight myself, but I always lose it quickly because my metabolism is fast. If i don't exercise it tends to linger but it never stays. Stress and depression stifles it but if you can kick that, you'll be fine. It's all a state of mind, if you're disciplined enough to rough it out.

a reply to: BotheLumberJack
I've recently given up smoking cigarettes and the withdrawal syptoms are tougher than anything I've ever given up, and it's everywhere, from mates smoking to passing smoking areas outside stores and pubs. I chose going cold turkey because if I switched to vaping then I'd just become addicted to that, I know what an addict junkie I am so it's just a case of feel the challenge of it and wait for it to pass.

Giving up a sugar/additive processed food must be tough because that really is everywhere tempting you as well, so in that sense I empathise with anyone trying to give it up for their health and to lose weight. Anyone moaning and not trying though, meh, no sympathy from me.

The problem is the lack of exercise and cheap fast food. Take a look at pictures back in the 1930's almost everyone is thin. Transportation was a huge commodity most people didn't have. You either walked of rode a bike.

As bad as fast food is... If you remain active, you will burn it off. That said, the heath issues of eating processed foods, enriched flour, artificial sweeteners etc. is another topic entirely.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
I smoked years ago, but haven't in the past 10 years or so.

Giving up a sugar/additive processed food must be tough because that really is everywhere tempting you as well,

This one is tough because anyone that drinks alcohol specifically, will be addicted to sugar. The reason for this is that the parasites dwelling inside the body are craving it. All sugar cravings derive from parasites. Once you've dealt with those, the cravings disappear.

Foods that contain sugars include bread, milk, and some fruits amongst other processed foods. People are sugar addicts, and so it takes an enormous amount of effort for most people to kick the habit. However once accomplished, you'll experience the bliss that goes with ridding oneself of parasitic invasion.

I don't know about the UK, but food prices in the US aren't as reasonable as you seem to have for those fresh ingredients. Here it seems that the processed foods are the least expensive whereas the natural or organic foods are the most expensive.

I have no evidence to cite to back up this claim, but I believe that part of the obesity epidemic, especially in lower income brackets, comes from the lack of "food" in our food. With so many chemicals, preservatives, antibiotics, hormones and processing in our conveniently packaged, shelf stable foods, people eat these "foods" and their bodies tell them they are still hungry because the "food" they've eaten no longer contains the substances needed for a healthy diet.

Along with this, in the US, carbs are cheap but proteins are expensive. I think that is also part of the reason behind the epidemic of type 2 diabetes. All these carbs we're eating turn into sugars and into fats as soon as our bodies metabolize them.

These are only my own personal observations. I am not a doctor, nutritionist or scientist, nor do I play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.... take from this what you will.