Spirit Material?

originally posted by: 808Funk

originally posted by: xBWOMPx
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originally posted by: Moongirl
Would anyone know what are spirits made out of?

From my personal experiences when I was young and meditated through out my younger teenage years there is most certainly a life after this physical realm, I studied muay thai for 3 years and in order to be trained I had to meditate and learn to control my energy for disciplinary purposes. I use to know how to raise my body temperature by a couple degrees, I had to to prove self control. My trainer told me the purpose is to keep my mind sound and pure so I dont use my talent to hurt others. Meditation will help you grow a conscience in a nut shell, anyway, I was curious to OBE and asked if it existed and he pretty much said yes and then explained to me how I had to keep myself grounded to protect my self from evil entities that could potentially effect my life. When you are born your conscience or aka soul/energy comes from somewhere, I have my faith to know from where but where it comes from does not have a beginning nor does it have an end. And when you die it ultimately goes somewhere else rather it be to heaven, to be a part of a massive collective awareness or a spiritual realm where time does not exist. You can choose what to believe but through my experience of OBE it most certainly exists and when I had that experience it gave me great comfort to life after death. I myself have come to a conclusion a year ago that I accept Jesus Christ and the holy spirit. All my life i never believed in that and the day I did sounded so crazy to me but I had no choice after experiences and evidence. Anyways, your free to believe in what you want but I can assure you there is something after your death so make this life count, it was obviously a gift others seek to take from you in the after life.

I don't have time to meditate unless Im going to sleep

ok

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

My research involves a theory of consciousness which can bridge these two approaches, a theory developed over the past 20 years with eminent British physicist Sir Roger Penrose. Called ‘orchestrated objective reduction’ (‘Orch OR’), it suggests consciousness arises from quantum vibrations in protein polymers called microtubules inside the brain’s neurons, vibrations which interfere, ‘collapse’ and resonate across scale, control neuronal firings, generate consciousness, and connect ultimately to ‘deeper order’ ripples in spacetime geometry. Consciousness is more like music than computation.

I like his way of explaining consciousness, that it is more like music than computation and a deeper order.

It's interesting that they are trying to measure remote viewing via quantum entanglement, which may or may not hold the answer to the existence of spirit and abilities.

This model differs from other models in that it employs a two-way exchange, a "handshake", between waves traveling forward and backward in space-time. A year after the above paper, Cramer published An Overview of the Transactional Interpretation describing the handshake as follows: "This advanced-retarded handshake is the basis for the transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics. It is a two-way contract between the future and the past for the purpose of transferring energy, momentum, etc, while observing all of the conservation laws and quantization conditions imposed at the emitter/absorber terminating ``boundaries'' of the transaction. The transaction is explicitly nonlocal because the future is, in a limited way, affecting the past (at the level of enforcing correlations). It also alters the way in which we must look at physical phenomena. When we stand in the dark and look at a star a hundred light years away, not only have the retarded light waves [forward in time from E in sketch] from the star been traveling for a hundred years to reach our eyes, but the advanced waves [backward in time from A in sketch] generated by absorption processes within our eyes have reached a hundred years into the past, completing the transaction that permitted the star to shine in our direction." (The yellow highlight and [] were added by the editor to assist the reader in comprehending these QM and RV concepts about communication connections from the future to the past.)
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Science does seem to be making progress toward comprehending the reality of precognition and maybe consciousness will be the link for the very small and the very large.

p-i-a.com...

When I read the above description of connections from the future to the past, I hear Itsnowagain repeating his mantra - there is only now. I wonder if within the 'all' the physical and spiritual are one, or separate but connected, yet free to travel within the entanglement?

a reply to: InTheLight

The basis of musical sound can be described mathematically in acoustics.

And acoustics exhibit a remarkable array of number properties.

Frequency and harmony seem to be where its at.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight

The basis of musical sound can be described mathematically in acoustics.

And acoustics exhibit a remarkable array of number properties.

Frequency and harmony seem to be where its at.

Just wondering how our technology could disrupt scientific measuring of quantum waves, frequency, etc.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

a reply to: InTheLight

Well 5G might raise some health concerns.

As to measuring of quantum waves, simply observing the phenomenon changes that phenomenon down to the observer effect.

My understanding is that superposition forms between the quantum system's states and the environment's states, causing the wave function to collapse.

You may wish to look into something called "The quantum filtering approach" but get ready to have a sore head. LoL

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: InTheLight

Well 5G might raise some health concerns.

As to measuring of quantum waves, simply observing the phenomenon changes that phenomenon down to the observer effect.

Yes, so it has been proven, but can't we observe the changes and make guesses as to it's original tune or wave s)?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

Existence is now.
There maybe the assumption that there is you and now but really now is what is appearing to exist.
Now is constant and constantly appearing different.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

Existence is now.
There maybe the assumption that there is you and now but really now is what is appearing to exist.
Now is constant and constantly appearing different.

Whatever now is, whatever I am, I desire to understand and control, or manipulate it.

a reply to: InTheLight

Sorry, i edited my above post, my bad.

Like i said the quantum filtering approach may apply.

I find it really hard to get my head around such concepts, its mind boggling, to me anyway.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

Existence is now.
There maybe the assumption that there is you and now but really now is what is appearing to exist.
Now is constant and constantly appearing different.

Whatever now is, whatever I am, I desire to understand and control, or manipulate it.

Well 'you' can't because you are now.
To be or not to be? That is the question.

Are you or are you not? Well you are but you are not a particular thing - you are all there is.

originally posted by: Moongirl
Would anyone know what are spirits made out of?

edit on Sat Jul 7 2018 by DontTreadOnMe because: IMPORTANT: New (old) Standards Are Being Enforced (again) For New Threads

“Spirit material” is a contradiction in terms.

And asking what spirit is “made of” is as nonsensical as asking what matter is “made of”. It’s an ontological category of its own.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

Existence is now.
There maybe the assumption that there is you and now but really now is what is appearing to exist.
Now is constant and constantly appearing different.

Whatever now is, whatever I am, I desire to understand and control, or manipulate it.

Well 'you' can't because you are now.
To be or not to be? That is the question.

Are you or are you not? Well you are but you are not a particular thing - you are all there is.

Sometimes I am and sometimes I am not, but within these limited experiences, some I can control and some I cannot. I desire to control the ethereal experiences at my whim.

originally posted by: Theosist

originally posted by: Moongirl
Would anyone know what are spirits made out of?

edit on Sat Jul 7 2018 by DontTreadOnMe because: IMPORTANT: New (old) Standards Are Being Enforced (again) For New Threads

“Spirit material” is a contradiction in terms.

And asking what spirit is “made of” is as nonsensical as asking what matter is “made of”. It’s an ontological category of its own.

Isn't spirit appearing to matter?
Nothing appearing as everything.

So matter is made of nothing - emptiness is forming.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Moongirl

If we possess a spirit/essence/soul it may be a form of electromagnetic emanation connected to our brain via the quantum realm.

As to composition, that would be energy i imagine.

Wow, replacing g one word with another and stating absolutely nothing. It’s just word soup.

So, “spirit” is composed of “energy”? What is “energy” then? I understand a physical object possessing energy as a kinematic quantity that we can measure and express in equations, but that’s not how any of you are using the term, viz., in an undefined ontological sense.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain

For some of us Itisnowagain, it is not fun (as Peter Brown stated) being left in the dark or just accepting what it is, it is.

Does what is happening, occurring, appearing presently need anyone to accept it before it can appear? This is arising without condition - whatever this is that is arising is dissolving - it needs no permission to do this.
Labels and words that try to define whatever is happening are also arising and subsiding.
No thing ever actually happens - spirit is constantly appearing different.

Perhaps some us are more questioning than others and whatever is arising then dissolves and needs no permission to do this - some of us want to understand the process and perhaps control it.

Perhaps when the answer is found the questioner will vanish.

When the answer is found then perhaps control may be in our grasp, so we can then vanish if we so decide.

What is it that you want to control?

All facets of my existence on any plane.

Existence is now.
There maybe the assumption that there is you and now but really now is what is appearing to exist.
Now is constant and constantly appearing different.

Whatever now is, whatever I am, I desire to understand and control, or manipulate it.

Well 'you' can't because you are now.
To be or not to be? That is the question.

Are you or are you not? Well you are but you are not a particular thing - you are all there is.

Sometimes I am and sometimes I am not, but within these limited experiences, some I can control and some I cannot. I desire to control the ethereal experiences at my whim.

There is so much confusion because there is a belief in things.
You think you are a thing. You think you think.
But there isn't 'someone in there' - there is no in or out to experience.
Experience is one - it is not made of two.

“By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth.” — George Carlin.
Language makes believe that there are things.

You think you are a thing that can control things.
Know Thyself.

a reply to: Theosist

Whats "g"?

Happy to listen to your input on the "matter".

Anything that exists in our universe, whether seen or unseen, broken down into and analyzed in the purest and most basic form, consists of pure energy or light which resonates and exists as a vibratory frequency or pattern.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Moongirl

If spirit exists, and I don’t think it does, it is certainly no type of energy that we are familiar with. It is definitely not electromagnetic.

Beware anyone who uses the word quantum outside of particle physics. Most people can’t describe the actual definition of quantum, so I’m certainly skeptical when they try to apply it to this spirit realm

More literal nonsense. You say you don’t think spirit exists, but then you make it clear that you can’t even account for the meaning of “spirit”. So what are you even saying? I don’t think flippity floppity exists!

The idea of “spirit” has a long and rich history in metaphysics and a precise meaning in its usage in such philosophical discourse, beginning in the West with the Presocratics but probably never so thoroughly explicated in the basis of real and repeatable experience as in the yogic philosophies of India. What is being said when the philosopher states that spirit exists is but that the psychic phenomena associated with the existence of the existential subject, such as consciousness and will, are not material substances and logically cannot be reduced to epiphenomena of such (which is why every attempt to do so has failed miserably out the gate); they are, in fact, exactly what they are, and spirit’s existence, as such, is no more dusputable than that of matter (and it’s considerably less disputable than that of the mere theoretical objects of “scientific materialism” abstracted from effects observed in the field of conscious experience of the human subject, i.e., a “spirit”). When the monism of “scientific materialism” on the other hand states that “spirit” does not exist, he is implying that such things are in fact NOT what they actually are (which is a metaphysical claim by definition) but are “really” some system of the objects of physics or an “epiphenonenon” caused by such through some process of hocus pocus which is never explained - the real spinners of fabulous fairy tales in this regard are not those who believe in “spirit”.