The U.S. labor shortage is reaching a critical point

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

What is your suggestion to fix the problem?

I would prefer union type negotiations that create a more socialist view on how wages be distributed over full blown Socialism.

An example that works is in Professional Sports. The sports union is made up of current and ex players, not a bureaucratic group of lawyers. In Sports the players employ legal experts not to dictate to them but only to represent them in various legal matters and negotiations.

In Sports the players know everything. Every dollar coming in and going out and they demand a fair share. They stand in a unique position because they possess a unique skill set that is not replaceable. They demand their share and for the most part they recieve it. They set minimum wages for players based on experience and maximum wages to ensure adequate dispersion of funds across the league.

Outside of professional sports most unions are filled with bureaucrats who are out of touch with the employees and don't necessarily work for the best interest of the employees. We need to put laws in place that ensure that the employees are properly represented. We may even be able to research the current sports model and determine why it works better, and simply ensure that model is used across all industies.

Socialism is the employees owning the company they work for and dictating the salaries of all employees, while still maintaining a class system.

Strong unions are Socialism Light. Employees demand and negotiate fair wages and % of revenue while the owners have motivation to increase revenue as they will continue to recieve their %.

The only thing I would add is we need to determine which is better. Social housing for low wage workers or a minimum wage that spans across all industries which is tied to inflation/deflation.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Absurd responses should get no answers.

Purposely raising the bar to an extreme you know no one is asking for is just bad form.

Also money is a made up, arbitrary concept that only has the power and worth it does cause society agrees to it. That can change. Oh and it will, in time, when the masses have had enough.

There's only two options, self correction by those that control the bulk of money, the money flow and the pricing, or a forceful reset by the masses at large and things being redefined from the ground up. Money in it's current form only makes the world go around because people allow and agree to it. AKA the current social contract. It can and will be torn up and renegotiated if it goes beyond what the overall social conscious agrees to.

I pray and hope those with the power to fix this peacefully do not make the mistakes of those who came before and can recognize their errors and self correct before the masses are forced to do it for them, cause that will be disastrous for all even if necessary for a possibility of getting it right to occur no matter how unlikely.

The current system is not providing at it should, that means it's a failure unless it can self correct. If it can't we need to try something else and start over.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Isurrender73

Wages are not keeping up with inflation because Corporate Facism labled Capitalism is a system doomed to consume itself and end in failure.

Trumps trickle down economics and a trade war should fix everything!!

The trade war is a long term agenda. More jobs will be created than lost and in the long term as much as 500 billlion dollars will be pumped through the US finacial system.

The tax bill is complicated. It was possible for the rich to get richer and avoid the US taxes in place by keeping thier money in off shore accounts. The only way to get that money back into the system was to eliminate the tax that wasn't actually generating revenue in the US anyway.

This is a problem Trump inherited. The solution he came up with has already brought 300 billion in new investments into the US with estimates going as high as the trillions.

Trump is likely going to look great but the long term impact will still lead to more wealth in the hands of the 1% and less wealth in the hands of the 99%.

What do you do if your Trump? Leave the tax laws as they are and watch Trillions sit in offshore accounts while generating no revenue in the US? Or eliminate those laws to bring the money back into the US and actually generate revenue in the US?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

My wife's company can't find bank tellers for $13 starting with benefits.
No experience required, they will train you.
Great post graduation job but so many don't want to show up and work.

Didn't you know, they will not work for less than 20 per hour starting out. You all need to pay them what they feel they are worth and not what the job is worth.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Gotta have their fair share right?

a reply to: Isurrender73

The sports idea is interesting.
Lebron james is making $38.5 million next season.
The league minimum is around $850k

He makes 45 times the league minimum.

I guess that's fair.
Unless you are the peanut vendors..

originally posted by: Isurrender73


Trump is likely going to look great but the long term impact will still lead to more wealth in the hands of the 1% and less wealth in the hands of the 99%.

The problem is and always has been is that if you make just enough to live on then your savings is zero. Once you gain about 100k in saving 401k it starts to build on itself. This is pretty dismal below with 2016/2017 percentages and a good reason why the rich keep getting richer with a wider spread. We are a consumer based society so having less than a 1000 saved can easily be a family with 50k 100k or even 200k per year income. We spend spend spend like there ain't no end, and rich people have a tendency to make make make and save save save...That is why they are rich...kind of makes sense doesn't it?

a reply to: Puppylove

Nothing I asked was absurd.
Ask 100 people what enough is and you will get 100 different answers.
There is no perfect society in this world.
Every country has rich and poor.
Most are heavily slanted toward the poor side. Take a trip to India if you don't agree. I suggest you don't drink the water.

Everyone there makes a living wage too.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

The sports idea is interesting.
Lebron james is making $38.5 million next season.
The league minimum is around $850k

He makes 45 times the league minimum.

I guess that's fair.
Unless you are the peanut vendors..

In my world the peanut vendors are an integral part of the sporting experience and would be included in negotiations. You would be certain to have the best damm and entertaining peanut vendors if they were making 100k per year.

A peanut vendor alone isn't worth 100k. But an entertainer selling peanuts just might be.

Those low end peanut guys can work the colleges for minimum wage. Talk about incentive to move up. I know this is a stretched example but there is much truth found within.

a reply to: Isurrender73

A good vendor can make or break your gaming experience

originally posted by: Bluntone22


Nothing I asked was absurd.
Ask 100 people what enough is and you will get 100 different answers.
There is no perfect society in this world.
Every country has rich and poor.
Most are heavily slanted toward the poor side. Take a trip to India if you don't agree. I suggest you don't drink the water.

Only in America do you see an attitude that single living is a right and not a luxury. Much of what young people base their needs on is the ability to live on their own with zero support and the vast majority of the world doesn't work that way. Group synergy with people sharing costs is how pretty much the whole world works outside of the US. I think I was in my 30s by the time I could afford to live completely on my own, so yes today at 58 I have a nice house etc but through my 20s and good chunk of my 30s I rented with roommates.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Yes actually. Society does not exist so that predatory individuals can benefit at the expense of the less predatory members of society which is currently going on. Which is the problem with capitalism as it's easy for it to move away from the actual purpose of society. Unfortunately socialism likewise fails because it fails to reward those who contribute more to society than those who contribute less.

Society as a structure exists to allow those within it to succeed against the hardships brought upon them by the adversity created by the world at large. The more successful the society, the better it's people are provided for and protected from harm from without and within.

My ideal is not capitalism with it's infinite reward for those who can game the system and populace, and not socialism where greater contribution is ignored to provide everyone the same. People should be rewarded by contribution. There is no job which shouldn't provide at minimum a healthy lifestyle with reasonable entertainment, and no job which should allow for absurdities like three yachts, a private island, 100 cars, three private jets and three mansions for example.

We need a society that provides reasonable compensation for all it's citizens no matter how small that contribution, and does not provide excess reward beyond what is reasonable when compared to society at large. There is literally nothing that anyone contributes on this planet that comes anywhere near worth the extreme wealth the richest of the rich in our world have.

We need caps and minimums, and the only way to raise the cap is to likewise raise the minimum by an equal amount.

Reward greater contributions, but not at the expense of the suffering of others.

The whole point of greater reward is that you've earned it by contributing to the improvement of society as a whole. Which means the society as a whole should improve by your contributions. We should as a people ever reach higher as a whole.

If things at the bottom aren't improving then those at the top are failures and not fulfilling their end of the social contract.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Guess what the job is worth nothing if no one is doing it

Labor is an amazong tool for leverage

Not our fault we refuse to work for # wages

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Isurrender73

Wages are not keeping up with inflation because Corporate Facism labled Capitalism is a system doomed to consume itself and end in failure.

Trumps trickle down economics and a trade war should fix everything!!

The trade war is a long term agenda. More jobs will be created than lost and in the long term as much as 500 billlion dollars will be pumped through the US finacial system.

The tax bill is complicated. It was possible for the rich to get richer and avoid the US taxes in place by keeping thier money in off shore accounts. The only way to get that money back into the system was to eliminate the tax that wasn't actually generating revenue in the US anyway.

This is a problem Trump inherited. The solution he came up with has already brought 300 billion in new investments into the US with estimates going as high as the trillions.

Trump is likely going to look great but the long term impact will still lead to more wealth in the hands of the 1% and less wealth in the hands of the 99%.

What do you do if your Trump? Leave the tax laws as they are and watch Trillions sit in offshore accounts while generating no revenue in the US? Or eliminate those laws to bring the money back into the US and actually generate revenue in the US?

Personally I think you are over optimistic. The market is looking for a yugggeee correction soon and it's gonna kick the shi!t out of the total economy and fall right in Trumps covfefe.

a reply to: olaru12

You may be right about a stock market correction. But any market correction would have zero to do with Trump. The correction would happen because of the deregulation that is allowing banks and companies to buy back stock and artificially inflate their value.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Xtrozero

Guess what the job is worth nothing if no one is doing it

Labor is an amazong tool for leverage

Not our fault we refuse to work for # wages

# skills = # wages...

You are right in competition does drive pay, but you need to bring some skills to the table too. Low skill jobs do not typically drive labor leverages.

We are seeing more hiring now and as the talent pools dry up more incentives are offered as companies compete for the talent. I see it as a win win for the worker, BUT we are also seeing that the talent pools are really lacking...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Big time lacking

a reply to: Xtrozero

The talent pools are lacking because the millenials got # on in 08 and were totally ignored for the last ten years

This gave rise to the popularity of Trump and Bernie Sanders

Go ahead and continue to ignore the problems though eventually they will fight back even more than they are now

I'm one of the lucky ones

originally posted by: Bluntone22


Big time lacking

I hate to give it straight to our narcissistic children that received participation trophies all their lives, BUT YOU SUCK! typically.... There are a few diamonds, but not enough.

Oh BTW back when you were a kid...YOU SUCKED BACK THEN TOO, but your parents couldn't ever tell you the truth...

Hopefully some now may understand why they can't get a decent job...

//some sarcasm here// So no one freak out on me...

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Xtrozero

The talent pools are lacking because the millenials got # on in 08 and were totally ignored for the last ten years

What happened in 08 that they got crapped on that is different than any other time in history?