AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s week of faulty claims: MS-13, Russia

a reply to: abe froman
1) True

2) Yeah, you're right that's trivial. And funny. And what the hell does it mean? Aren't you curious?

3) So, what did the AP get wrong this time?

a reply to: abe froman

you're right this kind of nit picking is senseless and tiring

I dont need fact-checking on the MS-13 concept with regard to weak immigration enforcement.

The fact is that it could lead to more MS-13 members entering our country. So who the hell wants to take that risk??

You’ve successfully been distracted from the actual story by your master, the MSM.

Clowns!!

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: Kharron

Associated Press is a non-profit news agency known for being unbiased; in fact they are only in business still because of it.

False. And your entire OP is dependent upon this false pretense.

Associated Press by Media Bias:

Factual Reporting: VERY HIGH

Notes: The Associated Press (AP) is an American multinational nonprofit news agency headquartered in New York City that operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association. The AP is owned by its contributing newspapers and radio and television stations in the United States, all of which contribute stories to the AP and use material written by its staff journalists. Reports breaking news with minimal bias and is always well sourced. (7/6/2016)

mediabiasfactcheck.com...


From Allsides:

The Associated Press is the essential global news network, delivering accurate, insightful news from every corner of the world, 24 hours a day.

Since its founding in 1846, AP has been the first to report many of history’s most important moments, and every day, AP journalists, photographers and videographers file news from the front lines of the world's biggest stories.

www.allsides.com...

If you want to present your sources for denigrating AP and will happy to look into their background. Most I see are 'agenda driven' and backed sources.

a reply to: toysforadults

this gang grew from having influence in 33 states to 50 states,

Your 2008 article:

MS-13 operates in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia and has about 6,000-10,000 members nationwide.

42 states, and DC.

Your more recent article.

The Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and 18th Street gangs continue to expand their influence in the United States. FBI investigations reveal these transnational gangs are present in almost every state and continue to grow their memberships, now targeting younger recruits more than ever before.

See what you did there?

It's not just MS-13 and it's not from 33 to 50 states. Why not state the facts as provided? Why distort them? Not bad enough as they are?

But no one said it's not a problem.

So, you distort facts and create a strawman argument. Good work. Trump would be proud.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Kharron
The popular "Fact Checks" and the Associated Press itself is owned by liberals. Thank-goodness they're not in power, and won't be, for a long time. This makes their fact-checking 100% toothless. They can bark...but they cannot bite.

Do you do any research into these 'statements' whatsoever? Do you know how to do research? Do you care enough about the truth (in this case verifiable facts) to do simple research?

Or do you just repeat the pablum you hear on propoganda outlets? Does it make you feel special to feel a part of a group of people that only criticize and demean people and organizations that want to help make disscussion and solution finding possible?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: abe froman


2) Yeah, you're right

originally posted by: avgguy
Not for profit with a revenue of almost 600M

One number. Without the profit & loss revenue is irrelevant.

What an incredibly ignorant response - it isn't even a valid argument.

a reply to: Phage

Look, I don't care. Picking apart every word the president says and formulating arguments based on that is nonsense.

Want me to pick apart every word you've post on this forum?

Tell me more about the people you thought about killing, what did you think about doing to them and did you ever act on those thoughts?

We can do this all day or we can be sensible adults and not pick apart every little word someone says and make a big deal out of it can't we?

a reply to: toysforadults

Just use the ignore feature.

Sorry OP, but the FBI would disagree with you going back a few years.

Also, the premise that the AP is an unbiased news source is false.

a reply to: toysforadults

We can do this all day or we can be sensible adults and not pick apart every little word someone says and make a big deal out of it can't we?

Do you think the president should be regarded as just another ATS member? No different? No greater responsibility to speak carefully? I don't think so.

originally posted by: abe froman
What I find interesting is that no other president was submitted to this weekly fact check.

All of our presidents have lied, obfuscated, and ommited.

Yet, not one of them was subjected to this sort of treatment.

It's personal against Trump.

You know it and I know it.

This is not news it's an attack.

That's why it's poorly received and untrustworthy.

Trump makes a typo (covefefe) and it's front page news with you clowns.

That's why when you repeatedly come up with this nonsense nobody wants to hear the pewling whines.

You are making a big assumption here and an incorrect one.

Presidents have all been subject to fact checking but since #45 just opens his mouth and says whatever he thinks sounds good (to inflame his base or curry favor) nothing is fact checked before hand.

Most administrations do their own fact checking before the President speaks publicly.

a reply to: Phage

put yourself under the same microscope and let's see how fast you're willing to throw stones

thought you practice the golden rule? apparently the golden rule doesn't apply in this case does it?

is this the moral relativism that atheist practice?

Did a quick search for the annual report. It seems they break even and run the operations pretty well.

Check page 3 of the report; in 2016 they lost $6m, in 2017 they made $6m. Overall, after 150 years of running as non-profit they seem to know how to stay afloat and stay independent.

2017 Annual Report Statement
2017 CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS PDF

Edit to add: I may have missed more in the report, I don't have time. But I wanted to post it so we can all dissect it. Be back later.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: Kharron

The way it's perpetrated by this unobjective vindictive media is.

The media is on an anti-Trump crusade and untrustworthy themselves.

Who's fact checking the fact checkers?

Look at Snopes for example....

Yet you offer no description nor analysis (or source of the same) as to how the "unobjective vindictive" media is behaving unobjectively or vindictively.

I'm afraid your 'word' is not a reliable source. I'd like three independent sources (transparent about their funding and methods) before I would even consider your 'viewpoint' valid.

Magical Thinking is a hugh part of our Truth Crises. It's when you believe what you think without support from reality.

All of that means absolutely ZILCH.

I have noted since the early 1970's how politically BIASED the associated press is.

I have also noted them being biased on all kinds of different issues over many decades.

"You have noted" doesn't make it fact." Just what you think - your opinion.

NM.

a reply to: Kharron

How did things deteriorate this quickly? How did lying receive thumbs up?

People would rather hear lies from someone they like than to hear the truth from someone they don’t.

A story as old as time.

The President doesn't do himself any favors with these kind of inaccuracies.

On the other hand, the media have so thoroughly destroyed their own credibility that even when they're right a lot of people just blow it off, as you're seeing in this thread.