The Criminal Cabal

originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: Isurrender73

Exactly if i relate the origins of Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry to this that doesn't make me anti-European, i am highly critical of both, it's a question of doctrine, indeed the danger is that if you aren't aware of the history and schism within Judaism then it is not possible to differentiate and Orthodox Jews will be equated with that which they are actually against.

The ultimate origins of such sects considerably pre-date Hellenism.

I imagine they are as old as the Babylonian Talmud that came about durring the excile. And I believe that freemasonry dates back to Solomon. But I am not as versed in those ideologies as I am Hellenism.

a reply to: Isurrender73

There is conjecture they date back at least 9,000 years related to formative ancestral cults in the Levant, the earliests records are Ugaritic dating back some 3,500 years and also first recorded usage of the term Rabbi whose role was to facilitate the Marzeah gathering.

This involved a prolonged drinking session over a number of days in conjunction with orgiastic prastise, the purpose was to achieve a state of absolute degeneracy in terms of the mental/moral/physical such that one cojoined with the Spirits of the Underworld, you descended and the Rephaim ascended and met somewhere in the middle, the patron of this was El as relating to Saturn.

The Marzeah of El.

The Marzeah consisted of thirteen high ranking personages ideally led by the King, as the archetypes involved also related to the descent of Baal into the Underworld and his return, in that sense the premise of absolute degeneracy leading to the inevitable return of the Messiah is derivative of these rituals.

Bet Marzeah

Ugaritic Funerary Rites

The NW Semitic rituals themselves were derivative of Hurrian spring rites concerning the defeat and return of Tessub/Baal, these were celebrated out in the open upon threshing floors, indeed they were celebrated on the threshing floor of araunah before any Temple of Solomon was built upon the same place, in that mythology the thirteen are Tessub and twelve former rulers within the Underworld whom he drinks with and derives authority from to return and rule.

The Underworld and the Legendary Kings.

Tessub naturally is no basis for a Jewish Messiah.

a reply to: Madrusa

Thank you for the links. I am always interested in understanding the ancient religious practices. Especially the practices of those who sought to comune with the darker side. It's a type of insanity that still perplexes me.

a reply to: Isurrender73

You're right Necromantic cults should carry a mental health warning and dining with the Rephaim in the Underworld shouldn't be attempted unless you're an actual God or pretty close relative of such, it being an ancestral cult, and all said and done the likes of sabbatai zevi and Jacob Frank were just larpers.

Rephaim

a reply to: Madrusa

Of course i understand your belief system from the posts you make and lots of them, isn't that the point of the exercise to put forward differing beliefs and opinions?

No. You do not understand my "belief system" at all. Your condescension merely reveals your insecurity.

As i've stated above they rejected the Talmud and conventional religious practise but the Zohar their religious work is a commentary on the Torah so they were hardly atheistic, the concern of the Zohar is with Light, the literal translation, in the same sense as the Age of Enlightenment and those philosophers that expanded upon Doctrines of Light were of a particular tradition.

No, they were atheists. Marx spent too much time reading economics and history to have spent any time reading the Jewish mystics. Your long winded assertions are risible.

As mentioned in the OP I consider all political movements derivative of religious and esoteric undercurrents, political Islam is hardly going to be an exception and neither was the Third Reich, what motive then would require me to help the Palestinians form a viable modern state, which religion?

Even your religion has a place for compassion. My kudos, though, for starting a thread that does not state its thesis in plain English: "The world is a disaster because of Modernism, and Modernism is a satanic Zionist conspiracy."

a reply to: DJW001

Again if your belief system is not out there to be understood what have you actually been posting?

You need to research further on Kabbalistic influence on the likes of Marx and Freud, it's there if you know what to look for.

The Holiness of Sin

Modernism is simply the absence of previous culture, i'm pleased you think you know my belief system though.

a reply to: Madrusa

This is pretty hardcore stuff, reading the linked blog now. It seems very plausible, and it melds seamlessly with all the intuitions & inklings of insight which have ever struck me concerning the deliberately Luciferian efforts of key actors within the more potent, socially mobile & coordinated enclaves of the secular humanist (Sabbaten Frankist) movements.

Reading on with a heavy heart & a mind which is ticking over with determined concern.

As if following the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Sabbateans reason that it would be easier to accelerate the flow of chaos to utterly destroy civilization than to perfect it. Once they debauch the Judeo-Christian faiths and ruin the world, God would be forced to start the Messianic Age to save it.

Holy #. This really makes a lot of sense. These SOBs are crazy - but definitely 'over-achiever' crazy - on a whole new level (at least, 'new' back then). Seems they are well on the way to achieve their #ed up inverse-morality Satanic goals...

Amazing thread. Commenting to follow thanks.

a reply to: Madrusa

So what roll does the Vatican play in all of this as well as families like the British Monarchs and the black nobility, are they franks?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

There were obvious attractions in following the doctrine of a group that not only allowed you to commit every sin imaginable but even actively encouraged it, that in conjunction with the protection of the rich and powerful, and furthermore you could consider yourself as carrying out Gods plan to destroy and then redeem the world, or at least the chosen elite that remained, that had actually caused the destruction.

This explains the phenomena of the Hellfire clubs suddenly emerging in places such as Britain through Frankist influence, quite openly at first before realizing they would need to organize and become the hidden underground, such groups were also accused of holding orgiastic parodies of the Last Supper but that was traditional Frankist practise.

a reply to: toysforadults

The aim was always there to infiltrate and subvert the Catholic Church, initially through the Illuminati who had established their head quarters at Frankfurt under the influence of the Rothchilds and Frankists, but research of those Frankist families that had converted to Catholicism and what influence they gained would require extensive study, the same really with regards to inter-marriage with European aristocracy, a distinction is always maintained between those who are Jews and those who aren't but this can be obscured and hidden, basically they will work with anyone though who can be exploited and corrupted.

a reply to: Madrusa

Are these the Cult of Saturnalia people? The black cube (Mecca)?

Also I'm not convinced that Adam Weishaupts Illuminati is in fact black hat actors if you read some of his philosophy he looks a lot less like an evil doer and more like an enlightenment era free thinker.

source

“And of all illumination which human reason can give, none is comparable to the discovery of what we are, our nature, our obligations, what happiness we are capable of, and what are the means of attaining it.” -- Adam Weishaupt

“This is the great object held out by this association; and the means of attaining it is illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason which will dispell the clouds of superstition and of prejudice.” -- Adam Weishaupt

“When man lives under government, he is fallen, his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished.” -- Adam Weishaupt

See that last one, is that really bad?

a reply to: Madrusa

Again if your belief system is not out there to be understood what have you actually been posting?

I can put it out there for you, but I can't understand it for you.

You need to research further on Kabbalistic influence on the likes of Marx and Freud, it's there if you know what to look for.

The Holiness of Sin

Why do I need to "research further," when I have read Marx, Freud and the classics of Qabala? Marx called religion the "opiate of the masses." Freud considered religiosity to be a neurosis, and dismissed Jung's work as mysticism. Neither was a practicing Jew. Of course, you make random connections to a variety of heterodox beliefs in diaspora Judaism. Since Judaism does not have a central doctrinal authority comparable to the Vatican, there is a long history and wide variety of cult-like beliefs.

Modernism is simply the absence of previous culture, i'm pleased you think you know my belief system though.

No, it's not. It was a response to the disintegration of the old world order. The fall of empires, political, social, and intellectual. I know what your belief system is, though, because you link to Anti-Semitic, Anti-Masonic, and Anti-Catholic propaganda sites.

a reply to: toysforadults

See that last one, is that really bad?

In the context of his day did he have something other then Govt. in mind ? Just listening to a scholar on the subject of kings and how they used a tree imagery in ancient time . The Pope wears the triple crown for a reason . Its a old idea but one where he makes himself to be god and not just a representative imo

a reply to: Madrusa

OP the more I look into this and think about it the more that circle gets squared . I just started into the interview with Rabbi Marvin Antelman and get a sense I am in for a big lesson as he first brings up Suttons work as well as Quigley's . He is going to go into other source material ...

a reply to: the2ofusr1

did Weishaupt follow a god self philosophy or an illumination philosophy?

(listening to the podcast right now)

a reply to: toysforadults

did Weishaupt follow a god self philosophy or an illumination philosophy?

I haven't looked into him much at all . In short he was a carrier of documents for tptb of his day . imo

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Here's a copy of his research, To Eliminate the Opiate also if you're really keen the main historian on Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank is Gershom Scholem, his work on that here

a reply to: toysforadults

Well their God is El who is an equivalent of Saturn and you could maybe look into a certain black basalt cube being the mythological basis for the New World Order, as for Adam Weishaupt his illumination is that of the Zohar which literally translates as light, his supposed natural philosophy is the kabbalistic interpretation of the Torah.

Now as for living under under government, all human society requires codes of behaviour within them, that can be imposed or collectively agreed upon, but without such there is no society, in the Liberalism of the period this gave rise to the idea of the citizens contract.

Interestingly the esoteric orders of the period also required codes of conduct to continue membership and rules for breaking such were generally fatal, it is then possible to create a society within a society that is not necessarily bound by the Laws of the general populace but follows it's own and therefore permits within its own system aspects of behaviour not permitted outside, you can even create an even more secretive society within that society that can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they maintain the principles of that Order, that would be the nature of the Illuminati living without governance.

Weishaupt and Rothschild

a reply to: Madrusa




How you feel this dude figures into all this?

a reply to: dashen

He is against the Neo Frankists who utterly hate him and supportive of Orthodox Judaism from among which he has strong support.

a reply to: DJW001

It's a well documented position of the Neo-Frankists being against religiosity, they rejected the Talmud, Marx is considered to have been influenced by Nathan of Gaza who had also influenced Sabbatai Zevi, the position of both Marx and Freud are entirely compatible with Antinomianism among Kabbalists, Orthodox Judaism did have the Council of the Four Lands at the time that they excommunicated the Frankists;

When Frank appeared in Poland he became the central figure for the vast majority of the Shabbateans, particularly those in Galicia, the Ukraine, and Hungary. It would appear that most of the Moravian Shabbateans also acknowledged his leadership. An inquiry of the bet din in Satanow had to a large extent uncovered the Shabbatean network of Barukhyah's followers, which had existed underground in Podolia. A considerable portion of the Satanow findings was published by Jacob Emden. From this it is clear that the suspicions concerning the antinomian character of the sect were justified, and that "the believers," who conformed outwardly to Jewish legal precepts, did in fact transgress them, including the sexual prohibitions of the Torah, with the stated intention of upholding the higher form of the Torah, which they called Torah de-azilut ("the Torah of emanation"), meaning the spiritual Torah in contradistinction to the actual Torah of the halakhah, which was called the Torah de-beri'ah ("the Torah of creation"). The results of the inquiry were laid before a rabbinical assembly at Brody in June 1756, and confirmed at a session of the Council of the Four Lands held in Konstantynow in September. In Brody a herem ("excommunication") was proclaimed against the members of the sect, which laid them open to persecution and also sought to restrict study of the Zohar and Kabbalah before a certain age (40 years in the case of Isaac Luria's writings).

Council of the Four Lands

Modernism wasn't a response to the collapse of former cultures it was the replacement for such, an entirely functional basis for society devoid of any cultural references, essentially the meaningless, it was the melting pot, obviously i am a Buddhist because i haven't criticized them here...