Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes ‘like never before’ and eventual collapse

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Is this legal? Is this constitutional? For a president to make a threat like this to an American business?

Seems like president have attacked American Businesses in the past and got away with it... so I'm thinking its constitutional.

Example:

www.historycentral.com...

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Is this legal? Is this constitutional? For a president to make a threat like this to an American business?

Seems like president have attacked American Businesses in the past and got away with it... so I'm thinking its constitutional.

Example:

www.historycentral.com...

Dude. He didn't get away with it.

originally posted by: MemoryShock

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Is this legal? Is this constitutional? For a president to make a threat like this to an American business?

Seems like president have attacked American Businesses in the past and got away with it... so I'm thinking its constitutional.

Example:

www.historycentral.com...

Dude. He didn't get away with it.

Well maybe not, but not because of the constitution.

originally posted by: DanDanDat

Dude. He didn't get away with it.

Well maybe not, but not because of the constitution.

Prove it.

Prove what? That Kennedy wasnt removed from office and put in jail because he attacked United Steel?

a reply to: DanDanDat

OK. So there is one of two things going on here.

You were either given a talking point and failed to research...which is expected these days. Hail Hydra.

Or...You're a Trump zealot who doesn't read.

Given the timing of your reply in response to Trump's outburst, I'm going with the former.

Which leads me to this - We can argue and it will get us no where. Because you didn't see the intricacies of wartime sanctions...or...you did and are pretending otherwise.

Either way, good luck. You probably don't need it because your team prepared more than I did...

Edit to add - you edited. Probably because you panicked about not knowing the Constitution. The jail part is way more effective by the way...your target audience knows more about jail than the Constitution anyways...-thumbsup-

a reply to: Xtrozero

One of my good friends rides a Victory..very nice reliable bike, style wise it's pretty cool, a bunch of other buds ride Harleys, I would agree the Victory is on par with them at least..some of the newer hogs are really nice though.

I think we all know what Mr. Trump would do if he was CEO of Harley Davidson.

On another topic, I used to ride an 86 Heritage Softail and it was a pretty decent ride, and not only did I get good at riding it, but I also got pretty good at fixing it too ;-)

a reply to: Southern Guardian

If he's not wrong about Harley's business decision then why does he feel the need to make a threat and whine?

I don't see it as either. Trump is simply predicting Harley's possible future from a business perspective.

Speaking for myself. I've abandoned many products when the "Made in USA" stamp was replaced with another country.

Harley owners are extremely proud of their motorcycles... Because they're USA made!

Harley owners are extremely proud of their motorcycles... Because they're USA made!

Except that they are not.

originally posted by: MemoryShock
a reply to: DanDanDat

OK. So there is one of two things going on here.

You were either given a talking point and failed to research...which is expected these days. Hail Hydra.

Or...You're a Trump zealot who doesn't read.

Given the timing of your reply in response to Trump's outburst, I'm going with the former.

Which leads me to this - We can argue and it will get us no where. Because you didn't see the intricacies of wartime sanctions...or...you did and are pretending otherwise.

Either way, good luck. You probably don't need it because your team prepared more than I did...

Edit to add - you edited. Probably because you panicked about not knowing the Constitution. The jail part is way more effective by the way...your target audience knows more about jail than the Constitution anyways...-thumbsup-

I only edit to fix spelling. I am dyslexic and have a hard time with it.

As for my "Trump zealot talking point"... I did a Google search on "President JFK attacks private business" and my example was the first link. So I guess Google is now putting out Trump talking points... by the way I did the same search for Roosevelt, Wilson and Reagan and they all have examples of going after a private business they were at odds with at the time. I'm sure more presidents do.

But by all means go on with the mental gymnastics in finding ways to excuse everyone else while crying about Trump; I'm thinking that's the very definition of a zealot.

We can argue and it will get us no where because it is clear you have a closed mind. Your first attempt at argument was to paint me as a Trump zealot, the weakest type of argument in the world; used by people who have nothing better to add.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: burdman30ott6


Harley-Davidson is a company and it's owners can do whatever they like with it.

At least in a free country they can.

They can do whatever they like, as long as POTUS approves.

Meh... Harley product isn't all that hot anymore, expensive and meh dependability, time will ruin them more than anything the president says or does.

That said Trump's burp was stupid and pretty juvenile thing to say.

Read it again without the media-supplied filter.

Mr. Trump noted that IF H-D left the country, their products coming into the country would be subject to tariff.

That is not a threat; I understand why one would think it was, because the first time I read it, that's what I saw too.

We have to stop letting the media's programming cloud our minds.

Love or hate Trump ... find the facts.

Threat? Whine? Business advice? I guess it really does depend on what your definition of “is” is.

Interesting story about how 30 some years ago they were praised by President Reagan for asking to remove protective tariffs on imported bikes because they finally got their act together to build quality bikes. And now a President is saying to not offshore production out of a fear of retaliatory tariffs.

Does Harley Davidson no longer have strong confidence in their product? People buy Apple products at a premium over competition because of perceived quality. They don’t have to fumble their way through dead hard drives, frequent upgrades and buggy OS’s that have to be purchased repeatedly before total hardware obsolescence.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Read it again without the media-supplied filter.

Mr. Trump noted that IF H-D left the country, their products coming into the country would be subject to tariff.

That is not a threat; I understand why one would think it was, because the first time I read it, that's what I saw too.

We have to stop letting the media's programming cloud our minds.

Love or hate Trump ... find the facts.

The fact that seems to be eluding Mr. Trump is that the parts Harley gets to assemble their bikes are already coming in from other countries. I don't know what parts would be subject to tariffs, but I would imagine a great many of them could. So Trump is saying.. either pay the tariffs for your parts.. or for the bike itself. Lose-lose situation for Harley (and I imagine other countries), if that is the case.

Trump is acting like Harley and other companies fully manufacture their products solely in the United States. And no, I don't think he was "threatening" Harley Davidson, but his attitude sucks towards U.S. companies. What does he honestly expect them to do? Change their entire supply chain and ditch all their overseas parts? What a joke.

Personally I'd love for the U.S. to NOT buy parts, materials or products from countries where their workers are treated like menial drudges who are greatly overworked, underpaid, and have crap benefits. But that's not reality... that won't change overnight, and Trump expecting companies to shift their entire business to meet his ideas around tariffs is just ill conceived. That is why I just shook my head when Trump made such a flippant comment regarding how "easy" it is to "win" trade wars. U.S. companies are not going to "win" in any trade war.

trump will go down as the man who killed Harley.... so much winning I can hardly stand it! a reply to: Southern Guardian

a reply to: soundguy

Obama was in charge when America lost it’s Ding Dongs (Hostess). So which sounds more emasculating Ding Dongs or Hogs?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Read it again without the media-supplied filter.

Mr. Trump noted that IF H-D left the country, their products coming into the country would be subject to tariff.

That is not a threat; I understand why one would think it was, because the first time I read it, that's what I saw too.

We have to stop letting the media's programming cloud our minds.

Love or hate Trump ... find the facts.

This new plant is for building bikes that will be sold in Europe - not USA - because they can be built in Europe without having to pay the import tariffs that Europe has put on in retaliation for Trumps tariffs on their goods.

What is so hard to understand about this?

Trump campaigned on making it easier for American business to do business and praised H-D for expanding their plant (and actually took credit for it before he was even in office) and then turns around and spits in the face of every business that wants to export.

originally posted by: soundguy
trump will go down as the man who killed Harley.... so much winning I can hardly stand it! a reply to: Southern Guardian

Actually, no. Harley was killed decades ago when they sold out to the bowling alley makers.