Was ‘Jesus’ A ‘Racist Zionist’ Who Described Goyim (‘Gentiles’) As ‘Dogs’ ?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Amen. I think people will always reject Jesus.

Only those who arent chosen will recognise God's Chosen.

He came to save the unsaved, not the stuck up assholes.

Amen

a reply to: Sigismundus

Sweet. Could I interest you in working for me? You could be my left hand interpretor. You're just so good at detail, ... Mind Blown!

a reply to: Sigismundus

Jesus was a race car driver.

Or was that Jerry?

a reply to: Sigismundus

To answer the question you posed. CynConcepts has part of the answer. He was evolving in his purpose because the mission he was on changed. Originally he was sent for the Jews and Israelites only. Hence your post. But here is the reason for the mission change.

They killed John the Baptist. Who according to Jesus Christ was Elijah the prophet. The problem was there was supposed to be 3 messiahs in the first century AD. Possibly 4. But according to Malachi 4 Elijah wasn't supposed to die. And so the curse mentioned in Malachi 4 kicked in. So looking for the details of the curse I found them in the Book of Hosea. Specifically in Hosea 6 verses 1 through 3. A 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse.

So when the curse kicked in Jesus Christ's purpose changed. Up to that point he was the messiah the Jews were expecting. After that point with a 2000 year detour placed in the way of the first century Apocalypse he had to improvise. Per the prophesies of Genesis 48 and 49 eventually all the people in the world were eventually going to become part of the family tree of Jacob/Israel. So he created Christianity as a kludge. In order to save the various peoples of the world he created a new religion to do the job.

And that is the reason the mission changed.

a reply to: ntech

Hi N--

You wrote

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'...so when the curse kicked in Jesus Christ's purpose changed. Up to that point he was the Messiah the Jews were expecting. After that point with a 2000 year detour placed in the way of the first century Apocalypse he had to improvise. Per the prophesies of Genesis 48 and 49 eventually all the people in the world were eventually going to become part of the family tree of Jacob/Israel. So he created Christianity as a kludge. In order to save the various peoples of the world he created a new religion to do the job.'

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I (for one) cannot see 'Jesus' starting a whole new religion; the thrust of his teaching, if we can believe what the canonical Greek gospels say, was more of a refining of the existing rituals and predominant ways of Jewish thinking--he lived at a time when the 2nd Herodian Temple was still standing on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem-- nothing he ever was supposed to have said was outside 'normative' 2nd Temple Judaiesm, and the Greek words placed into his mouth at the 'last supper' in the gospels regarding the 'eating of his flesh' and the 'drinking of his blood' -- based on the Messianic Battle against the Gentiles in Hezekiel 39:17-18--were most likely part of an adapted Messianic rite mixed-in with an ancient Tarsian Mithraic ritual which had been incorporated into Christianity by Paulinists (Paul hailed from Tarsus where the worship of the Bull-Slaying Mithras had been introduced from Persia into the Roman Empire (even the present day Pope in Rome wears a variant of the Persian Cap of Mithras which is instructively called a 'Mitre.'

Take a look at the 'Rooftop Vision of Shimeon bar Yonah, haKephah (=Simon Peter) in Acts chapter 10, where the author of 'Luke' whoever he was, has Peter exclaim, 'Lord, I never in my whole life up til now have ever eaten anything ritually unclean that was not kashrut,' which strongly suggests that 'Jesus' also adhered (like his brother 'James the Just') to a strict kashrut diet his whole life.

Also, 'James' led the so-called 'Party of the Circumcision' against Paul (read the disputes between Pauline and Nazorean Christians in Jerusalem in Acts chapter 15; the Ebionim, led by James until his own murder by a mob, kept kashrut and circumcision and a strict adherence to the Torah of Moses long after his brother's arrest and execution for armed sedition against the state during 'the Uprising/Rebellion' (Mark 15:7) at Passover, 36CE--which strongly suggests that 'Jesus' also kept himself within broadly-accepted Judaic 2nd Temple 'norms' if such a generalisation can be used...

originally posted by: seaswine

originally posted by: c2oden
Therefore, Jesus is a racist alien.

I think I remember reading a thread here the other day that suggested he was gay too.

Gay, racist alien Jesus. A true triple threat!

You forgot Palestinian!

He was a Palestinian, gay, racist, alien.

So what if he was a racist?
It doesn't take away from his accomplishments.

a reply to: Sigismundus

"I (for one) cannot see 'Jesus' starting a whole new religion" Why did he say upon this rock I will build my church if that was not his intention?

"'Jesus' also kept himself within broadly-accepted Judaic 2nd Temple 'norms'" He did except he went by his own interpretation of what those norms were. So actually he didn't. Many instances where he had conflicts with the Jews over this. Even the last supper was not in Jerusalem at the temple but in some upper room wherever that was.

So many lies and deceit....



Don't throw pearls to swine.

a reply to: Sigismundus

Not likely considering he hung out with Prostitutes Beggars and Thieves.

What idiot came up with this one? Mr. Divide and Conquer?

a reply to: Sigismundus

How could Zionism exist before the diaspora?

a reply to: toms54

Jesus didn't start the new religion. Paul did.

Jesus mission was to the Hebrews in order to restore the Jewish faith which had become decadent.

a reply to: Sigismundus

Mat 15:28

Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

So racist he healed her daughter after testing her.

His ministry was only 3 years. They didn't have Uber back then. Not surprising that he didn't make it out of Israel. And what was that 3rd key he gave to Peter for?

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
This is stating the obvious;
Jesus came as the Messiah for God's chosen people
They rejected him and he was crucified.
He didn't come to save the gentiles.
He came to save the Jews.

I don't think that's entirely accurate at all, Jesus was sent for mankind not just the Jews
It's sad you think you know what you are talking about but havnt a clue

bible.knowing-jesus.com...

The fact that many Jews believed means your opinion is invalid, He wasn't totally rejected
Jesus came for the Jews first not only for the Jews

a reply to: rnaa

No, Jesus came to end the Jewish faith
Why even comment about what you don't understand

The Jews rejected Jesus and His teachings, that's the whole point
Judaism wasn't decadent, it had become legalistic and oppressive
Jesus ended religion

Depends on ones cup of t.

He was pretty much willing to make Jerusalem a sanctuary city where even the pagans were welcomed, a Zion, like worshipping a Hebrew god while being a gentile.

And in others well, no more gentiles, I'm very sure we are familiar with some form of it. All who will follow the true prophet will be saved type of deal. They will be assimilated into his borg.

a reply to: DJW001

Hi DJ--

You wrote

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'How could Zionism exist before the diaspora?'

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I'm not sure what you mean by that, exactly.

The Diaspora of the Judaean population began long before the time of 'Jesus' way back in 587BCE when the Davidds were removed from power after Babylon ground Jerusalem to powder, and anyone of any substance or education was exiled to Babylon, where 75% of them stayed never to return home; of the 24 priestly families exiled out of Israel, only 4 of them ever came back after the edicts of Cyrus in 517 BCE who allowed them to return (for this, Cyrus the Persian, a gentile, was called 'my Messiah, saith YHWH, see Deutero-Isaiah 45:1)

The phrase that early Nazorean Messianists used during 'Jesus' lifetime and by the earliest 'Christians' had to do with the role of the Messiah (in the Last Days) to ingather the 'exiles' from the Diaspora ('the Lost Sheep of the House of Yisro'el scattered amongst the gentiles') along with re-instating the Davidds back on the throne in Jerusalem, which had been seized by Babylon (587 BCE), Persia (531 BCE - 331 BCE), Syrian-Greeks (331-163 BCE), Macabbean Tsadukkim (163-63 BCE) and finally Rome (63 BCE - 138 CE) the last of whom made Jerusalem a pagan gentile city called Aeolia Capitolina by the Roman Emperor Adrian (which he made completely 'Judenrein', (i.e. 'free of Jews'). But the Diaspora of Babylon also saw between 400 and 200 BCE a wider migration of Judaeans into Alexandria and Turkey/Asia Minor, many settlements of which were mentioned by the author of the so-called Book of Revelation (whoever he was) e.g. Smyrna, Ephesus, Thyatra etc. or the cities with a sizeable Jewish population that Paul targeted (Corinth, Rome, Galatia, Thesalonike, etc.)

Clear as mud ?

a reply to: Sigismundus
Yes, Yeshua was preaching to the Hebrews only. Just like prophets before him. Most probably, he knew his days were numbered. Or he may not received instruction to teach the gentiles yet.

However, God finally permitted the angel Gabriel to order Muhammad to spread Islam not only to the Arabs, but the whole world.

An-Nahl 16:125
[Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Lord knows best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.]

a reply to: Sigismundus

I always thought "the Lost Sheep of the House of Yisro'el scattered amongst the gentiles' referred to the dispersed northern tribes. I guess it could also be dispersed Jews. My impression was that Jews rejected the message and Jesus then sent the apostles to the rest of Israel.

We have to look at non Biblical history to see where they went. Pretty much all over the known world, not just to Babylon. Maybe restoration of the Davidic line, etc. was what the Jews hoped for but I don't believe that was what Jesus was doing at that time.