#UseYourKidAsAnHumanShield

a reply to: Phage

If the parents are just economic migrants the UK would just kick them out after detention and processing.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Kick the parents out. Yeah. That's what's supposed to happen here too.

What happens to the warehoused babies?

a reply to: Phage

They get kicked out with whoever they claim to be related to.
Britain is quite brutal with illegal economic migrants.
I am of no mind to campaign against it either.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

They get kicked out with whoever they claim to be related to.

Thing is, the parents are somewhere over here and the babies are somewhere over there. That's why I wondered about microchips. It works for dogs, it should work for babies.

a reply to: Phage

UK immigration do DNA tests and kick them all out.
Pity for the kids but I support our immigration policy, we would be over run otherwise, the curse of being an English speaking nation in a world where most people's second language is English.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I would trust the UK to have a system better sorted out to handle it than ICE.
This policy seems to have quickly flooded a system that was ill prepared for its consequences.

a reply to: Phage

Detain them, process them and kick them out same as the UK does.
I'll repeat again though I won't grass an illegal up to the authorities, fellow humans fighting the man.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
That's pretty much what was being done. But the administration wants to "send a message" (and get congress to build a stupid wall). So they kicked things up a notch.

Thing is, in the US the constitution gives the accused (citizen or not) the right to stand before a judge. It is, in fact, required. It's not a timely process. Or well managed. There is an enormous backlog.

a reply to: Phage

Ah got ya, it's mostly decided by civil servants here unless someone has a strong case to seek judicial review.
It is quite brutal, and when you read about immigration in the EU, don't think of Britain, you get kicked out quickly if you are not a genuine asylum seeker.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
What else would anyone expect from a socialist government like yours?

Why, I hear you even have universal health care.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: carewemust
I still don't understand why they can't be "caught and returned" IMMEDIATELY back to the other side of the border.

because it's legal to seek asylum. we have laws about that. it's a thing.

After Obama and Cuba , there are no other countries that have a right to asylum in the US.
Cuba was the only country.

a reply to: Gothmog

there are no other countries that have a right to asylum in the US.

Please cite that law.

a reply to: Phage

Lol, yes, we get lots of 'health tourists' but you have to prove residency status these days.
Many people lie for foreign friends though, and I don't have a problem with that, humans caring about humans.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Babies are humans.
Taking them away from their mothers whose only "crime" is a misdemeanor helps who?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Gothmog

there are no other countries that have a right to asylum in the US.

Please cite that law.

What law ?
The one that stated that any Cuban that was fleeing the tyranny in Cuba that could set foot on US soil was automatically a citizen ?
Obama took that one out with his "improved" relations with Cuba.

Now , cite me where any other people from any other nation has legal "rights" to asylum in the US .
They dont

a reply to: Gothmog

The one that stated that any Cuban that was fleeing the tyranny in Cuba that could set foot on US soil was automatically a citizen ?

There was never any such law.

Now , cite me where any other people from any other nation has legal "rights" to asylum in the US .

Anyone who is not in the US and is not a US citizen has no right to anything. But there is this:

The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside his or her country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.

a reply to: Phage

Children are detained and processed with their parents here after DNA testing, and if the parents are not fleeing persecution etc so no grounds for asylum then they get kicked out.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Children are not removed from their parents?

Apparently law requires that in the US. The president said so.

a reply to: Phage

No, we have family detention centres.
Then they all get kicked out if they are not genuine asylum seekers.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Gothmog

The one that stated that any Cuban that was fleeing the tyranny in Cuba that could set foot on US soil was automatically a citizen ?

There was never any such law.

Now , cite me where any other people from any other nation has legal "rights" to asylum in the US .

Anyone who is not in the US and is not a US citizen has no right to anything. But there is this:

The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside his or her country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.

Forget what you think you know , go back a few years , and search Elian Gonzales .
Once you find that Cuba was the only country that the US ever allowed for immediate and non-restricted access to citizenship due to asylum , come back and say , sorry . (There are a LOT of Cubans in Miami that would back me up on this also..)
Otherwise ....
I am done with you...
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