There's the Theory of Evolution and the Interpretation of Evolution

originally posted by: turbonium1
What would make you think every species has evolved from some earlier, different sort of species? And always will evolve into another species?

The evidence clearly shows it is the very opposite, actually.

Do you deny the evidence is there, and if so, what is the reason(s) for your denying it?

Prove anything which was/is created at random.

Prove anything was/is created by humans.


Compare the two cases, now...


Creation is not random, by any sort of comparison to intelligent creation....


Why do you suggest that the most complex, intricate, scientific mystery of all time, is created in a random crockpot?


Are you serious??


Do you expect some metals, rubber, etc. could become automobiles, by random chance, over millions of years, too?


Nobody has ever created life, so it was obviously done by 'random' luck, then!!


Science says so.

Fossils. Go away and look at fossils. All the proof you need.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

And yet for the hundredth time... You don't consider something called "lift"

Or air pressure... which is the reason why YOU can not flap your arms and fly away

Get an education higher then fifth grade dude...

seriously...

I already know why a bird can fly, and why humans cannot fly, what about it?

That you know about something called "lift" allows a bird to fly in air, which I couldn't know, because I've never mentioned it here?

All flight is dependent on mass, and density, of an object. Wings alone cannot make dense objects fly in air, no matter how large the wings, or what material is used, wings cannot make objects fly in air. Not like a bird, or plane, at least. It may fly, but not in a sustained flight, of a bird, or a plane.


The point is birds fly without any force opposing the flights. This proves no opposing force exists, obviously.

a reply to: turbonium1

actually you prove only one thing... you know nothing of the subject you're talking about...

Any idea how much a 747 weighs?

Your nonsensical ramblings need their own forum...

We have a joke forum but... they just don't qualify

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: turbonium1
What would make you think every species has evolved from some earlier, different sort of species? And always will evolve into another species?

The evidence clearly shows it is the very opposite, actually.

Do you deny the evidence is there, and if so, what is the reason(s) for your denying it?

Prove anything which was/is created at random.

Prove anything was/is created by humans.


Compare the two cases, now...


Creation is not random, by any sort of comparison to intelligent creation....


Why do you suggest that the most complex, intricate, scientific mystery of all time, is created in a random crockpot?


Are you serious??


Do you expect some metals, rubber, etc. could become automobiles, by random chance, over millions of years, too?


Nobody has ever created life, so it was obviously done by 'random' luck, then!!


Science says so.

Fossils. Go away and look at fossils. All the proof you need.

Fossils prove there are extinct species. This is a normal outcome, when there are millions of species living on Earth, some will not survive.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

actually you prove only one thing... you know nothing of the subject you're talking about...

Any idea how much a 747 weighs?

Your nonsensical ramblings need their own forum...

We have a joke forum but... they just don't qualify

To suggest a plane can dissolve into a building and leave no trace, that is the absolute joke here.


Have you seen that plane dissolve into the building? And you seriously believe that this could ever happen?

It's 'cartoon' physics, right?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: HiddenWaters

The creation was fine, sin was introduced and mankind took over, corrupted everything and destroyed it
Should God have intervened, how, taken away our free choice? Killed us all? What's your answer

God did intervene and killed all life on the planet except a handful of each species when the planet was supposedly flooded to a depth of over 5 miles.

Why bother if god knew that everything would play out the same way again?

The big one - who designed god if god designed us?

God made us in its own image so why would this perfect being make such imperfect beings knowing we would 'corrupt everything and destroy it' ?

I can only assume god must be some kind of sea horse as if 'he' made us and on this planet its the female of the species that grows new life except for sea horses.

I can understand a BELIEF in sort sort of supreme force/being... but to believe that the holy books of the abrahamic religions are anything but tools to control the gullible masses, manipulate their behaviour and seize power and wealth for the leaders of these cults is naive in the extreme imo.

Most science based people i know admit they don't know due to the lack of current information, however those of a religious base seem to think that these obviously flawed and repeatedly contradictory books are 100% proof.

a reply to: johnb

Good point, God did intervene and changed the worlds direction, I wonder why?

Why do you say a 5 mile high flood, assumption?

Does God know how things will play out, we have free will, assumption?

He? Interesting that you think the word is literal, that's funny, that's really funny...😆

I recon going by what you have said here you are pretty naive and you have no understanding of Christianity, just what you have been told, what you believed.
Probably more a reflection on you

And Finaly, most sciences based people I meet say they do know, that it's a fact, it is real science and provable, yet I have asked and no evidence
As for creation, it's a faith. Also I know many Christians who accept evolution

I think you havnt really thought any of this through at all

Just saying

originally posted by: Raggedyman

As for creation, it's a faith. Also I know many Christians who accept evolution

Exactly. There is literally no good reason why any Christian should not accept evolution as a property of life. I've never understood the incessant and baseless attacks on the ideas of evolution by those who claim to be people of faith.

To me this reveals a weakness in their faith, and hence some deep personal insecurity. If you have full faith in your God then there should be nothing that rattles that faith. Nothing. That's the whole point of faith. It doesn't require any validation because it is one's own personal belief, confidence, conviction in something regardless of outside influences.

The Bible is not meant to be taken literally. It's metaphorical, intended to provoke within those who read it a personal faith and meaning, subsequently building and strengthening that faith to find an inner peace with oneself. This is the nature of spirituality. Evolution has nothing to do with it.

a reply to: PhotonEffect

And I can agree
Except I havnt seen any scientific evidence to prove evolution
My faith is in God not scientists

As for the bible not meant to be taken literally, that's your atheist opinion I assume
I disagree, it's literal and allegorical, it contains both

Evolution as it stands is a faith, bordering on religion

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: PhotonEffect

And I can agree
Except I havnt seen any scientific evidence to prove evolution
My faith is in God not scientists

As for the bible not meant to be taken literally, that's your atheist opinion I assume
I disagree, it's literal and allegorical, it contains both

Evolution as it stands is a faith, bordering on religion

I think Evolution is a fundamental part of an entire religion, which pretends to NOT be a religion, even though it has become one, for the most part.

What is most fascinating to me about 'science' is how it became a religion. Evolution is one of the fundamental building blocks. Gravity is another one. Space travel/moon landings, as well.

The purpose is to eliminate God, to laugh at people for believing in God, or believing Earth was created, or that all life on Earth was created.

If people knew that the Earth had to be created, it would mean God, or a higher power, exists. We'd know that life was created, for Earth, as well. It would have vast implications, for science, for government, and so on...without a doubt.

Why would they take out God, creation of life, and Earth? Simple - to become 'God', themselves.

So they deceive the people, which is easy - with mass media, and schools, all saying the same thing.

When they said that Earth was not flat, that it was round, they were really trying to say that the Bible is absolute rubbish.

The 'experts' claimed Earth was a sphere, that all life was created by a random pile of s&(&, and humans were once stupid apes.

None of this was proven to be true, and never will be proven true. They know that none of it is true. They call them 'theories'.

Theories that were immediately accepted throughout the scientific community. I was taught we (most likely) 'evolved' from apes, over millions of years. I was about 8-9 years old, at the time. Same year I was taught the Earth was round 'just look and laugh at those ships sailing over the 'edge' of a flat Earth, boys and girls!'


When God doesn't exist, they become God.

If everyone believes the Earth is just a spinning ball, zooming through space, anything could happen to Earth. Since the Earth is not protected, while hurling though the vast unknown universe.

Never fear, people of Earth. NASA will protect you, from what lies beyond the galaxies! We are watching space, we have sent probes to Mars, we've walked on the Moon, and so much more....

Just like God would protect the Earth...

a reply to: turbonium1

You should add that post to your signature...

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: turbonium1
What would make you think every species has evolved from some earlier, different sort of species? And always will evolve into another species?

The evidence clearly shows it is the very opposite, actually.

Do you deny the evidence is there, and if so, what is the reason(s) for your denying it?

Prove anything which was/is created at random.

Prove anything was/is created by humans.


Compare the two cases, now...


Creation is not random, by any sort of comparison to intelligent creation....


Why do you suggest that the most complex, intricate, scientific mystery of all time, is created in a random crockpot?


Are you serious??


Do you expect some metals, rubber, etc. could become automobiles, by random chance, over millions of years, too?


Nobody has ever created life, so it was obviously done by 'random' luck, then!!


Science says so.

Fossils. Go away and look at fossils. All the proof you need.

Fossils prove there are extinct species. This is a normal outcome, when there are millions of species living on Earth, some will not survive.

(Facepalm)
You really don't understand fossils, do you? You don't understand in any way whatsoever. Get an education please and then maybe you can contribute to this discussion.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: PhotonEffect

And I can agree
Except I havnt seen any scientific evidence to prove evolution
My faith is in God not scientists

As for the bible not meant to be taken literally, that's your atheist opinion I assume
I disagree, it's literal and allegorical, it contains both

Evolution as it stands is a faith, bordering on religion

I think Evolution is a fundamental part of an entire religion, which pretends to NOT be a religion, even though it has become one, for the most part.

What is most fascinating to me about 'science' is how it became a religion. Evolution is one of the fundamental building blocks. Gravity is another one. Space travel/moon landings, as well.

The purpose is to eliminate God, to laugh at people for believing in God, or believing Earth was created, or that all life on Earth was created.

If people knew that the Earth had to be created, it would mean God, or a higher power, exists. We'd know that life was created, for Earth, as well. It would have vast implications, for science, for government, and so on...without a doubt.

Why would they take out God, creation of life, and Earth? Simple - to become 'God', themselves.

So they deceive the people, which is easy - with mass media, and schools, all saying the same thing.

When they said that Earth was not flat, that it was round, they were really trying to say that the Bible is absolute rubbish.

The 'experts' claimed Earth was a sphere, that all life was created by a random pile of s&(&, and humans were once stupid apes.

None of this was proven to be true, and never will be proven true. They know that none of it is true. They call them 'theories'.

Theories that were immediately accepted throughout the scientific community. I was taught we (most likely) 'evolved' from apes, over millions of years. I was about 8-9 years old, at the time. Same year I was taught the Earth was round 'just look and laugh at those ships sailing over the 'edge' of a flat Earth, boys and girls!'


When God doesn't exist, they become God.

If everyone believes the Earth is just a spinning ball, zooming through space, anything could happen to Earth. Since the Earth is not protected, while hurling though the vast unknown universe.

Never fear, people of Earth. NASA will protect you, from what lies beyond the galaxies! We are watching space, we have sent probes to Mars, we've walked on the Moon, and so much more....

Just like God would protect the Earth...

*Horrified silence*
You have to be a troll. No-one can possibly be that ignorant and not be a troll.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: PhotonEffect

And I can agree
Except I havnt seen any scientific evidence to prove evolution
My faith is in God not scientists

As for the bible not meant to be taken literally, that's your atheist opinion I assume
I disagree, it's literal and allegorical, it contains both

Evolution as it stands is a faith, bordering on religion

Absolute poppycock. I have seen you in thread after thread after thread. You always ask for proof, it gets presented for you, you never believe it. Your mind is not merely closed it's bolted. There is no way that you will ever take evidence of evolution seriously.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Welł all you have to do is show the repetable observable and testable evidence and you win the argument and I can believe in evolution
Outside of that you are just a religious science hating atheist or whatever

Assumption is not Evidence

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

While turbo and I may disagree on a few points, I am not sure what fossils prove outside something once living died
Care to elaborate

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

While turbo and I may disagree on a few points, I am not sure what fossils prove outside something once living died
Care to elaborate

Thanks for the troll. We have discussed this before, but you don't get to pretend that past proof was never given. I'm not playing your game. You know perfectly well that the fossil record proves evolution. We are able to trace the evolution of the whale, for example, via the fossil record.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Assumption is not Evidence

Now if only theists would apply that logic to their worldview.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Assumption is not Evidence

Now if only theists would apply that logic to their worldview.

Well I am not running around saying creation is a scientific fact, also not saying it's logical.
I consider it to be supernatural

Not silly enough to get caught up in your strawman Barcs, good luck to you

Take angry cym, telling me fossils prove something but can't use science to prove it.
That whales prove evolution? How, just makes a statement and offers no accountability

You are all playing "science fiction" as real science
I am not calling the supernatural science

There are millions of different species on Earth, without one species having shown the slightest indication of changing, over 10,000 years, at least.

That's my proof.


Against that, you hold up fossils of extinct species, and claim that the millions of species on Earth which have never shown the slightest change in 10,000 years were once those extinct species. On the basis of having similar structure, and common DNA.

Since modern apes and humans have similar structure and DNA, nothing at all supports the theory of evolution.


Just keep on saying it has happened, and that it has proof, because that's all you have left. Sheer desperation.