Trump, Kim sign agreement; N Korean leader to get White House invitation

a reply to: wakeupstupid

Stand firm to what?

Did you read the agreement?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

Stand firm to what?
Did you read the agreement?

I can read between the lines, whether you attack me for such a statement or not. I make it so that you will attack me, and the egg will rot on your face.

Again, wish I could respect you for political insight, but alas...

a reply to: wakeupstupid

It's a short list of commitments to try to do something. It's no more committal than the Paris Climate Accord and bears no more teeth. There are no specifics, no rewards, and no consequences.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

It's a short list of commitments to try to do something. It's no more committal than the Paris Climate Accord and bears no more teeth.

It's a short list that has been released, not in full and not in totality even still. Trump vowed to walk away if there was no meat. He walked away from a deal just yesterday based on a handshake not being worth a damn to the Canadian PM. Come on man.

I'm not disagreeing outright, you know that. I am merely stating that "red lines" mean different things to different presidents. The left always attacks Trump for being a psychopathic egomaniac. Do you really think he will not follow through and look about as weak as he possibly could to either side? History? His LEGACY?

Come on man. You know this.

a reply to: wakeupstupid

Every politician is always attacked. That's the way it works.

Trump didn't do anything here. Not a thing. What is there to follow through on? Read the thing. There is nothing of substance, except maybe the repatriation of bones.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

Every politician is always attacked. That's the way it works.

Trump didn't do anything here. Not a thing. What is there to follow through on? Read the thing. There is nothing of substance, except maybe the repatriation of bones.

First, that is a big deal. Second, that is what the press could glean. Third, that is what was put on paper impromptu which no one expected even this. They expected a talk, in which he would have been attacked for fruitlessness anyway. Short of a surrender after a two hour talk, the left and yourself would complain because of reasons. Go ahead and attack based on partisan lines, I am just pointing out I always wanted to think more of your intellect.

Edit to add: I'm a libertarian, I am neither right or left. I don't know or presume where you hang your hat. I am dealing with you specifically out of respect. Take that for whatever you want, likely nothing.

a reply to: musicismagic

Just like the liberal media,trying to minumize any accomplishments the president makes,how petty and childish,the liberals disregard for any sense of couth makes me ill

a reply to: wakeupstupid

First, that is a big deal.

What is?

Second, that is what the press could glean.

No. It is what the document says. Read it where ever you wish but here is what Fox says about it:

In a joint statement signed by the leaders Tuesday, the countries committed to the recovery of the remains and the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

The statement was otherwise filled with vague aspirational vows for peace and the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

www.foxnews.com...

Third, that is what was put on paper impromptu which no one expected even this.

Hardly. It bears a remarkable resemblance to prior agreements.

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: musicismagic

Just like the liberal media,trying to minumize any accomplishments the president makes,how petty and childish,the liberals disregard for any sense of couth makes me ill

The smell of death made me ill, for the first week. I got used to it. You can get used to a lot of things. I just expect it now, and so comes the morbid humor in it along with being accustomed.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

First, that is a big deal.

What is?

Second, that is what the press could glean.

No. It is what the document says. Read it where ever you wish but here is what Fox says about it:

In a joint statement signed by the leaders Tuesday, the countries committed to the recovery of the remains and the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

The statement was otherwise filled with vague aspirational vows for peace and the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

www.foxnews.com...

Third, that is what was put on paper impromptu which no one expected even this.

Hardly. It bears a remarkable resemblance to prior agreements.

1. The bodies, sorry to not clarify.
2. I reiterate my points on the goings on of the highest security meeting in the history of any living person.
3. I burned a few creditors because I knew the deal was bad all around and they were to weak to do anything about it in a debtor's haven. Trump isn't a limp-wristed loser, for whatever reason you want to make it out to be.
4. Interesting.

Anyway, was fun. Have at it

a reply to: wakeupstupid

3. So you bailed on your obligations like Trump did (often). Awesome. Remind me not to make any deals with you.

No mention of the denuclearisation of the so-called U.S though...

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Was that ever on the table?

a reply to: JinMI

shouldn't it be? should the denuclearisation of all "countries" be

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Sure, in an ideal world. In this one...not so much.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

3. So you bailed on your obligations like Trump did (often). Awesome. Remind me not to make any deals with you.

The US Government made those deals with me, and reneged on a contractual obligation to taking care of a wounded and permanently disabled soldier. Medical bills piled up, I said shove it. Sue me, oh wait?

I held up my end of the bargain, medically retired and honorably. With Tricare Prime, Medicare and the VA Hospital I still acquire bills monthly for those same injuries as they follow me through life. Thank you, sir. I can understand the inclination to attack now, clearly.

Maybe some other predator made those deals with Trump, who am I to know. I can see how bankruptcy is a great "red line" with bad deals. I haven't seen his taxes so I wouldn't know.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: musicismagic


How much bribe money will we send to Kim Jong for his agreement? I'm sure Trump can trump Obama's 1 Pallet of $100 dollar bills, by sending 2 pallets!

McDonald's and a Trump Tower were on the table I've heard. Seems pretty cheap to me for peace and prosperity. Pretty much the only kind of deal I'd ever truly support like this.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: XAnarchistX

Sure, in an ideal world. In this one...not so much.

With AI + Drone technology in about 50-75 years nukes won't be an issue and we could easily disarm.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VengefulGhost

Its a very big step for both sides .

Maybe you should read this:
2001-2009.state.gov...

Different Kim, different rule

- with dictatorships you don't deal with the country, like you would any other country, you deal with the dictator, so while they may be cut from the same cloth, it is essentially two entirely different negotiation scenarios.

OK, listening to Trump... my take is this is a good start. It's not earth-shattering, but there is a difference between this deal and the previous ones, and it's already been pointed out: Kim Jong Un got to meet publicly and speak with the US President as an equal. That might just tip the scales.

For now, I remain skeptical of Kim. It sounds good on paper; let's see if it sticks this time.

I am satisfied with Trump's performance. Nothing more could have been gleaned from this meeting; it is simply too soon, and there wasn't enough time. How it works out will depend in large part on how Trump handles Kim from here out. At least we didn't give up anything of consequence... a public photo-op to sooth Kim's ego. No treasure, no concessions, no nothing except "we want to work with you."

Oh, I forgot... one concession. Trump agreed to suspend the wargames with South Korea. I don't see that as unreasonable, especially since I think South Korea is fine with it too. Kim made a pretty big concession if he follows through: the release of all foreign nationals (or their remains) to their families. I know that will bring peace to many broken hearts.

Anyway, I'm good with the results so far.

TheRedneck