Trump, Kim sign agreement; N Korean leader to get White House invitation

originally posted by: TheRedneck
OK, listening to Trump... my take is this is a good start. It's not earth-shattering, but there is a difference between this deal and the previous ones, and it's already been pointed out: Kim Jong Un got to meet publicly and speak with the US President as an equal. That might just tip the scales.

For now, I remain skeptical of Kim. It sounds good on paper; let's see if it sticks this time.

I am satisfied with Trump's performance. Nothing more could have been gleaned from this meeting; it is simply too soon, and there wasn't enough time. How it works out will depend in large part on how Trump handles Kim from here out. At least we didn't give up anything of consequence... a public photo-op to sooth Kim's ego. No treasure, no concessions, no nothing except "we want to work with you."

Oh, I forgot... one concession. Trump agreed to suspend the wargames with South Korea. I don't see that as unreasonable, especially since I think South Korea is fine with it too. Kim made a pretty big concession if he follows through: the release of all foreign nationals (or their remains) to their families. I know that will bring peace to many broken hearts.

Anyway, I'm good with the results so far.

TheRedneck

Good points, I think it's also important to note that and all while no one nuked each other or rekindled a 60+ year somewhat latent war.

Well the yen is at 110 per dollar. So we'll see what happens here in Japan in the next 7 days.

a reply to: wakeupstupid

That's the whole idea, ain't it? Not glowing in the dark?

I have wondered for some time if the real goal of North Korea is to gain face in front of the world. Honor is important to them, even if we don't necessarily understand their version of what is honorable. Trump gave Kim respect today. He treated Kim as an equal, not as a two-bit dictator (which he really is). If that is the key, then this plan will work beyond our wildest dreams. If not, well, we'll have to see.

I'm waiting for Kim's trip to the White House and Mar-a-Lago. He looked so out of place in Singapore...

TheRedneck

a reply to: wakeupstupid

Can't much disagree with that and it's a scary thought. However something as simple as a drone would certainly make for some interesting scenarios given that everyone could have one.

Trust in Skynet!!

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: wakeupstupid

Can't much disagree with that and it's a scary thought. However something as simple as a drone would certainly make for some interesting scenarios given that everyone could have one.

Trust in Skynet!!

One, perhaps. Maybe a million.

However, not an entire net tied to telemetry data that gives live updates on nuclear activity to a 1 metre square grid coordinate from space- all while tied to an active threat response system monitored instantaneously by artificial intelligence with the authority to deal with threats before they are even ready to launch.

a reply to: wakeupstupid

Ah, so you think they could simply squash any launch. That would be interesting, and completely plausible.


As the smartest thing on this planet, you'd think we would have found a better alternative to war.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: wakeupstupid

Ah, so you think they could simply squash any launch. That would be interesting, and completely plausible.


As the smartest thing on this planet, you'd think we would have found a better alternative to war.

I think they could squash them just by monitoring the thought pattern trends of a few primo google customers, such as everyone on the planet in, around or in control of the big red buttons that litter the earth.

Either by identifying the threats, or redirecting their intent and purpose clandestinely.

Today was the first step in the right direction.

Time will tell us whether or not this summit was a positive turning point in history.

But that's all it was, the first step.
To get the ball rolling takes time but people are impatient.

Listening to pundits, news sources and skeptics, it's almost like they expected Kim to load up Air Force One with all his weapons and reactors as well as hand Trump a key to unlock every prisoner in N. Korea camps.

This event was billed as a denuclearization summit. That was the main issue of this meeting. An understanding seemed to be reached and the ball is in Kim's court now.

If he plays ball, another meeting may take place to lift sanctions as human rights negotiations could be on the docket.

If not, I doubt Trump would be willing to waste anymore time talking with N. Korea and would retaliate with the harshest of sanctions.

But in the spirit of being positive, I hope this leads to true denuclearization, a more humane N. Korea that is better connected to the world, socially and economically and a peace treaty officially ending the Korean War.

Plus, it would be an all you can eat buffet of crow for those that deemed it impossible for Trump to do any good for the world.

originally posted by: Psilocyborg
If he plays ball, another meeting may take place to lift sanctions as human rights negotiations could be on the docket.

If not, I doubt Trump would be willing to waste anymore time talking with N. Korea and would retaliate with the harshest of sanctions.

Absolutely. Key.
The only difference between now, and then.

a reply to: Psilocyborg

Unfortunately in these agreements, I've seen a little of it on twitter, the agreement about DPRK de-nuclearization (sorry if spelled wrong)

There is no time-frame specified as far as I could tell, this is worrying.

However, this is an historic moment, I think Kim Jong-Un is different than his father was, I do think he wants to work towards Korean unity, however, I believe he's gone the wrong way about it, people judge KJU as if he is his father and as if his fathers actions are his own.

If you look at Trumps twitter feed there are so many people hating on him, I do not understand how he can get so much hate when today should be positive for the whole world, it's an outstanding achievement to even get KJU to the table let alone sign a preliminary agreement.

They looked comfortable together and both seem to be happy with the summit, it's a brilliant first step.

The agreement

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit—the first in history—was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.
[signature]
DONALD J. TRUMP
President of the United States of America
[signature]
KIM JONG UN
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
June 12, 2018
Sentosa Island
Singapore

abcnews.go.com...

originally posted by: zGrimReapah
a reply to: Psilocyborg

Unfortunately in these agreements, I've seen a little of it on twitter, the agreement about DPRK de-nuclearization (sorry if spelled wrong)

There is no time-frame specified as far as I could tell, this is worrying.

However, this is an historic moment, I think Kim Jong-Un is different than his father was, I do think he wants to work towards Korean unity, however, I believe he's gone the wrong way about it, people judge KJU as if he is his father and as if his fathers actions are his own.

If you look at Trumps twitter feed there are so many people hating on him, I do not understand how he can get so much hate when today should be positive for the whole world, it's an outstanding achievement to even get KJU to the table let alone sign a preliminary agreement.

They looked comfortable together and both seem to be happy with the summit, it's a brilliant first step.

I think that is just a symptom of our country's peril in divisiveness. Certainly a topic of discussion at this meeting. Trump knew he would get hung, and that is- and should be considered as- a concession by Trump. A very big one, and thus he would not make it unless there was reason to. Unless he is politically suicidal, which many will wager. I'm sure everything I typed here was discussed near-verbatim.

originally posted by: VengefulGhost

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VengefulGhost

Its a very big step for both sides .

Maybe you should read this:
2001-2009.state.gov...

got tired of your propaganda earlier today have better things to do than waste any more of my time reading more of your propaganda .
end of and good day .

All Phage is saying that until NK actually does something we should not consider an agreement as some monumental achievement. NK has reneged on every deal they have made to this point. Once they take real steps that can be verified over time is when we should be celebrating.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: VengefulGhost

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VengefulGhost

Its a very big step for both sides .

Maybe you should read this:
2001-2009.state.gov...

got tired of your propaganda earlier today have better things to do than waste any more of my time reading more of your propaganda .
end of and good day .

All Phage is saying that until NK actually does something we should not consider an agreement as some monumental achievement. NK has reneged on every deal they have made to this point. Once they take real steps that can be verified over time is when we should be celebrating.

I understand his point, I merely make the point that he refuses to accept that Trump is not going to back down. He can foam about that if he wants, but it's undeniable. Total suicide.

originally posted by: violet
The agreement

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit—the first in history—was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.
[signature]
DONALD J. TRUMP
President of the United States of America
[signature]
KIM JONG UN
Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
June 12, 2018
Sentosa Island
Singapore

abcnews.go.com...

Good, they both kept it simple. Even the School Age of High School in both countries can understand such language.

originally posted by: wakeupstupid

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: VengefulGhost

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VengefulGhost

Its a very big step for both sides .

Maybe you should read this:
2001-2009.state.gov...

got tired of your propaganda earlier today have better things to do than waste any more of my time reading more of your propaganda .
end of and good day .

All Phage is saying that until NK actually does something we should not consider an agreement as some monumental achievement. NK has reneged on every deal they have made to this point. Once they take real steps that can be verified over time is when we should be celebrating.

I understand his point, I merely make the point that he refuses to accept that Trump is not going to back down. He can foam about that if he wants, but it's undeniable. Total suicide.

It doesnt matter if Trump does or does not back down. The ball is in NK court. They hold all the cards. Its their game and they have played many times before, always agreeing then not doing the thing they agreed to do. Until we get people on the ground and verifying NKs real commitment to change it is all rhetoric.

originally posted by: DupontDeux

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: musicismagic


How much bribe money will we send to Kim Jong for his agreement? I'm sure Trump can trump Obama's 1 Pallet of $100 dollar bills, by sending 2 pallets!

Well, they print the damn things like crazy anyway, and back it by nothing, so would it not be an insanely cheap way to get rid of a would-be nuclear threat to America?

Well, it isn't looking different than the Iran deal if they do throw them pallets of 100$ bills. But you do have to give them something for a promise like that. Yet Obama wouldn't even try to regret it when the Mullahs laughed at us in public while saying Israel will die.


This whole process is needed to be a good show for NK to save face and get something for their efforts in Nuclear physics.
That Rodman would be a Un follower is just bizarre to me considering the oppression of the N Korean people.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: VengefulGhost

Yeah.
Confirmation bias is a bitch.

Yeah, the Confirmation is, you are a shill with near facts and near philosophies that fall short of the truth being in play. Just enough of the facts to seem on point only to be a steering agent in the flow of information. Agenda's drip from you more than ever and you are not fair IMO anymore.

originally posted by: wakeupstupid

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wakeupstupid

Stand firm to what?
Did you read the agreement?

I can read between the lines, whether you attack me for such a statement or not. I make it so that you will attack me, and the egg will rot on your face.

Again, wish I could respect you for political insight, but alas...

Kudo's I have become just as cynical about this attitude from that one. You sound like me. I use to enjoy the back and forth with the SOHO pics and the Mars objects that is debatable still. At least there is knowledge to be shared that matters not your politics.

originally posted by: crtrvt

In other words, we got nothing and Un got the optics of being treated as an equal by the POTUS. The flags side by side. Un has been legitimized on the world stage and has a decade's worth of fresh propaganda to dump on state TV.

Trump got a handshake and a photo op. Plus propaganda to dump on state TV.

Pretty much spot on.