Allaying the fear of renewed nationalism.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Do you think that the rise in visibility of Neo-Nazi groups that support Mr. Trump might have some effect on folks seeing similarities?

For the record, I agree with you (or I WANT to agree with you) that the current period is a part of a cycle ... except we see hypernationalism spreading worldwide.

I think something else is at play here ... but I'm not sure what.

Anyway, thoughts, as you asked.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: nwtrucker

Do you think that the rise in visibility of Neo-Nazi groups that support Mr. Trump might have some effect on folks seeing similarities?

For the record, I agree with you (or I WANT to agree with you) that the current period is a part of a cycle ... except we see hypernationalism spreading worldwide.

I think something else is at play here ... but I'm not sure what.

Anyway, thoughts, as you asked.

I question positioning it as hypernationalism without using the same embellishment for socialism or Globalism.

It seems to me that a resurgence in nationalism is usually in response to a perceived wrong, threat and the like.

The rise of nationalism, which I agree is occurring, is comparable to a rise in individuality but on a group scale. I don't see it any more than that 'cycle' .

One could say the rise in Nationalism world-wide is in direct response to that 'something going on'. At least it's possible, that is.

originally posted by: toysforadults
Welp, I just start a thread on this topic apparently you don't like astrology and want a more mainstream perspective on this topic, maybe from Fox News?

Great minds....etc. I will F&S your thread.

Your going to have to be fairly long in the tooth to call me a'welp'......

a reply to: nwtrucker

I question positioning it as hypernationalism without using the same embellishment for socialism or Globalism.

We've been the globalists for some time now. Installing "friendly" governments world wide, and strongly hinting they conduct business with us under our terms. Something nationalism has aloud. Now I'm all for the right kind of nationalism, the kind with isolationism.

Because I haven't benefited from a large portion of my taxes going to failed and costly wars.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker

I question positioning it as hypernationalism without using the same embellishment for socialism or Globalism.

We've been the globalists for some time now. Installing "friendly" governments world wide, and strongly hinting they conduct business with us under our terms. Something nationalism has aloud. Now I'm all for the right kind of nationalism, the kind with isolationism.

Because I haven't benefited from a large portion of my taxes going to failed and costly wars.

Hard to argue it.

Nationalism will follow the boiling frog theme. It will increase slowly until the patriotic propaganda machine has increased the fear of some country filled with brown people and natural resources and Trump and Halliburton will have their war; I just hope not to many people are killed in the false flag event.... It's an established pattern.

No worries, it's just business.

Glad I don't have kids to sacrifice to the machine.

I know you can see it coming but your love for Trump makes you think it will be different this time.

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: nwtrucker


Ummm...the most recent was immediately after 911...for a brief moment the country was united...nationalism was pandemic...

Unfortunately...it was propaganda's bastard child that precipitated that brief union...

The covert op achieved spectacular results...and ushered in a whole new level of constitutional encroachment...

YouSir

Funny how it all comes back around, huh?

a reply to: nwtrucker

I realize they are synonymous, but I think there is a careful distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and we should differentiate between the two.

I agree here with George Orwell:

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’(1). But secondly — and this is much more important — I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

Notes on Nationalism

a reply to: nwtrucker

It's sad that nationalism is a fringe belief.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker

I question positioning it as hypernationalism without using the same embellishment for socialism or Globalism.

We've been the globalists for some time now. Installing "friendly" governments world wide, and strongly hinting they conduct business with us under our terms. Something nationalism has aloud. Now I'm all for the right kind of nationalism, the kind with isolationism.

Because I haven't benefited from a large portion of my taxes going to failed and costly wars.

Hard to argue it.

Kudos sir something we can change though, something nationalist patriots would do

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: nwtrucker

I realize they are synonymous, but I think there is a careful distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and we should differentiate between the two.

I agree here with George Orwell:

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’(1). But secondly — and this is much more important — I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

Notes on Nationalism

My gut reaction is the distinction is his own creation. But I have to reserve judgement until I look at the etymology of both. The OED is required for this one....

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

A quick study of the origins of both nationalism and patriotism suggests my original thought is more correct than not.

He far expands on any real distinction between the two. In fact, Patriot, since the 1600s seems to have been used as a derogatory. They are, by definition, far too close to each other for his characterization. JMO, though.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: toysforadults
Welp, I just start a thread on this topic apparently you don't like astrology and want a more mainstream perspective on this topic, maybe from Fox News?

Great minds....etc. I will F&S your thread.

Your going to have to be fairly long in the tooth to call me a'welp'......

LOL. I'm really just busting your balls

Globalists don't like nationalism/patriotism for the same reason they don't like religious faith: it is a hard-and-fast value system that they cannot mold and shape to suit their agenda. It is an a-priori source of authority, and "the government" cannot stand any other source of authority.

Community has been a similar source of authority in the United States; which is precisely why the globalists work relentlessly to replace community with mass culture. The State cannot allow you to have any source of assistance, even a sense of belonging, that it does not control.

This is why the 50 states have lost nearly all their power in the face of the federal government and especially federal courts. Today, the states only exist to provide and pay for those services that the federals cannot be bothered with: family court, probate, water and sewer service, etc.


Paradoxically, Nationalism isn't synonymous with statism. For Nationalists, the ideal of the nation is above and beyond any particular session of congress or departmental agency. When nationalists sing the anthem, or pledge allegiance to the flag, they are reverencing the ideal, rather than whatever politician occupies the White House or governor's mansion.'

See, globalists think that Reagan became popular by stoking the fires of nationalism. But the opposite is the case: Reagan embodied the ideal of a reverent nationalist, and was rewarded with unparalleled approval from the populace.

This is exactly what Trump has done, albeit in a far uglier presentation. But the people voted for him because they wanted a president who respected veterans, who respected the flag, who wants America to have real borders that are respected by the people who want to come here.

For all of trump's failings, you won't find his wife whispering "all this, for a damned flag." Trump isn't going to ask rhetorically what difference at this point the deaths of four government workers really makes. He isn't going to make fun of his own people's religion, or question their right own their grampa's shotgun. Trump isn't going to let his party have a national convention without even a single flag on the stage.

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: toysforadults
Welp, I just start a thread on this topic apparently you don't like astrology and want a more mainstream perspective on this topic, maybe from Fox News?

Great minds....etc. I will F&S your thread.

Your going to have to be fairly long in the tooth to call me a'welp'......

LOL. I'm really just busting your balls

Too late...long since they were busted.......

a reply to: tovenar

The only point I'd add to your post is those 50 States are mechanically no different than how the Federal gov't operates. They sold their independence for cash. Simply put. For Federal monies.

We see the same mechanism in many States that we suffered federally. We don't give those guilty States the same ink being fixated with the Feds.

Fighting the 'lion' and done in by the 'Hyenas'...

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: nwtrucker


The fact is Nationalism isn't a bad word! It has become one however with the rise of Globalism and the dishonest tactic of attaching the color of ones skin as a precursor to the word, ie white nationalist?


For instance I am white, I love my country and Constitution therefore in the eyes of the dishonest and corrupt who support globalism and are frothing at the mouth to destroy my countries sovereignty they use the term "White Nationalist" while throwing in the term Nazi.

They are too frail minded and brainwashed to realize I will fight along with ANYONE of any color skin who wants to defend this country and it's Constitution.

Stop apologizing for being a nationalist! It only means you love your country and the color of your skin is the total BS spin the globalists have put on it to make it sound racist and something it is not!

Sad you don't know the difference between nationalism and white nationalism..... You're either being deliberately obtuse or your pushing an agenda...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Of course he knows the difference, It's apparently you who doesn't know the difference...Just saying.

I think the next generation, and the one following see a more connected world then past generations.

They grew up Globally connected.

Nationalism will have a different meaning.

Just like heritage. People used to congregate in ethnic groups - - still do to some extent - - but, I don't think the coming generations will want that.

I think they'd feel stuck. The world is open to them and always has been.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Of course he knows the difference, It's apparently you who doesn't know the difference...Just saying.

White nationalism is like white supremacist, nationalism is pride in one's country and has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.... Go look it up for yourself...

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining sovereignty (self-governance) over the homeland. The political ideology of nationalism holds that a nation should govern themselves, free from outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination

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White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which holds the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation

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