Allaying the fear of renewed nationalism.

As usual, this is off the top. A few people see similarities between the renewed national pride in the U.S. and that of Germany before WWII. Those similarities are deliberately fanned by those both within the U.S. and outside it. The source can be argued, from mere political rhetoric to an overall agenda such as TPTB.

That really isn't the point I would raise in this thread. The point that I haven't seen mentioned is the U.S.'s history at time where that nationalism has been fanned and their results following.

Working backwards, the most recent would be the Reagan era, obviously. It followed a low-point for a multitude of reasons from economic to Vietnam and the Iranian hostage fiasco. The result? No German-like fascism developed. Likewise with the Bombing of Hawaii and that sneak attack. A return to the normal placid culture followed WWII.

The same can be said for WWI. In fact an isolationist mentality developed following which, IMO, empowered Hitler into leaving the U.S. out of the equation when assessing his opening moves in WWII. (Speculation on my part, though.)

There could be more instances I'm unaware of and the more educated might be able to add to that list.

Historically speaking, it seems that the U.S. tends to return to a 'normalcy' post Nationalist spikes. Yes there are exceptions, but IMO, they prove the rule. So rest easier those of you concerned with increased nationalism. It calms down after a time, from what I can see.

Thoughts?

a reply to: nwtrucker

Hmmm well I don't personally know...but as far as I know in the Reagan era the main running point of his wasn't that he was going to build a giant #ing wall across the continent. Though I guess Reagan had his space wall so....

I dunno how comparable to Nazi Germany it is but the love and adoration people seem to have for trump is a little bit...uh....intense...

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: nwtrucker

Hmmm well I don't personally know...but as far as I know in the Reagan era the main running point of his wasn't that he was going to build a giant #ing wall across the continent. Though I guess Reagan had his space wall so....

I dunno how comparable to Nazi Germany it is but the love and adoration people seem to have for trump is a little bit...uh....intense...

There's some that may see it that way or even admit to that feeling towards Trump. Trump is, a conduit,a catalyst of MAGA. It's the MAGA I address not Trump, per say.

Frankly, I would jump on any further posts that deflect from the topic of nationalism towards Trump, as off topic. (Thanks for the post, in any event.)

It is nationalism and it's U.S. history that this thread is addressing. Mods please assist in reining this in.

a reply to: nwtrucker


Ummm...the most recent was immediately after 911...for a brief moment the country was united...nationalism was pandemic...

Unfortunately...it was propaganda's bastard child that precipitated that brief union...

The covert op achieved spectacular results...and ushered in a whole new level of constitutional encroachment...







YouSir

a reply to: dug88

Hillary, Schumer, Obama...senators 2006, voted to build a wall.

a reply to: nwtrucker


The fact is Nationalism isn't a bad word! It has become one however with the rise of Globalism and the dishonest tactic of attaching the color of ones skin as a precursor to the word, ie white nationalist?


For instance I am white, I love my country and Constitution therefore in the eyes of the dishonest and corrupt who support globalism and are frothing at the mouth to destroy my countries sovereignty they use the term "White Nationalist" while throwing in the term Nazi.

They are too frail minded and brainwashed to realize I will fight along with ANYONE of any color skin who wants to defend this country and it's Constitution.

Stop apologizing for being a nationalist! It only means you love your country and the color of your skin is the total BS spin the globalists have put on it to make it sound racist and something it is not!

a reply to: nwtrucker

Alright fair enough...I was just commenting on the nationalism you speak of as i've seen it. I haven't seen a lot of straight up america is now awesome without some mention of trump...you also mentioned specifically the Reagan era...which again had a lot od personalized nationalism attached to it....'reagonomics' and such.

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: nwtrucker


Ummm...the most recent was immediately after 911...for a brief moment the country was united...nationalism was pandemic...

Unfortunately...it was propaganda's bastard child that precipitated that brief union...

The covert op achieved spectacular results...and ushered in a whole new level of constitutional encroachment...

YouSir

Actually not even close to a 'whole new level'. My understanding is during the civil war sitting Senators were arrested and Hapeas Corpus was suspended. All of which return to a more normal state of affairs down the road.That is far greater, at least from what I can see. than the Patriot Act and the like.

In that instance, I view it as an exception that proves the rule. Most of the damage by Constitutional encroachment seems to have been done in periods of low national or Constitutional respect and pride....with a largely indifferent populace.

I see no reason to shun nationalism. There is nothing wrong with supporting and being loyal to your country. This idea that we must all be globalists and subsume our national identity in favor of some other goals of people who do not have our interests at heart is rather stupid and fodder for our undoing. If you want to maintain your way of life, you'd better be ready to defend it. I am not fearful of nationalism. I applaud it.

a reply to: schuyler

Hear! hear! totally agree

a reply to: nwtrucker
1930's German nationalism was about re-asserting power to heal the wounded pride resulting from a catastrophic defeat. I don't see anything in America to match that sense of resentment. (In fact America hasn't been struck by catastrophe on that scale)
On the other hand, that is exactly what Putin is doing. He's been leading Russia into the Crimea and other places in psychological compensation for the collapse of the Soviet Union.
If they are worried about the threat of aggessive nationalism, they are looking in the wrong direction.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: dug88

Hillary, Schumer, Obama...senators 2006, voted to build a wall.

Not to mention, Reagan is, at least, partially responsible for the current border/illegal mess due to his blanket amnesty-and failure to call out Tip O'neil and his fellow Democrats for failing to follow up on their promises to tighten border security.

If Reagan had done his job, likely the wall wouldn't have been needed...or built long ago.

a reply to: nwtrucker

yeah I kinda agree. I have never accepted Reagan as the conservative gawd theyve painted him as, he simply wasnt conservative...not that I am either entirely...but that amnesty really opened up the doors and then Obama blew them wide open.

A real lot of people in this country had pride in this nation when I was younger, all the way up to maybe twenty five years ago. Then a movement to become part of a bigger group came into play, but that group is run by some devious people.

Nothing wrong with putting our people first instead of importing things and making a select few rich and forcing high pollution and poor working conditions on those who make our products. The only ones coming out ahead with this new system are those who are doing the importing, they make more than the rest of us here in America. Look where a lot of the imports come in, those areas have high wages, way more than people in the rest of the country make for a working class.

Not surprisingly, those people who shuffle the imports are the ones who are super strong into keeping things coming in and money flowing through them. But cost of living there is so high, they cannot understand how come they are not doing well, it is because the working man is paying for other workers to get more pay, cost of living. Nobody but the rich are doing well in those places, these people cannot comprehend that their hundred grand a year income is not worth as much as fifty grand elsewhere. They have not even peeked out of their box, they are worried about losing their high paying job but aren't considering their money is going nowhere except into the hands of the rich. The new Elite do not create nearly as many jobs as the old rich entrepreneurs did. It takes getting older and living in the real world to see what has happened and what direction we are headed in.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: nwtrucker
1930's German nationalism was about re-asserting power to heal the wounded pride resulting from a catastrophic defeat. I don't see anything in America to match that sense of resentment. (In fact America hasn't been struck by catastrophe on that scale)
On the other hand, that is exactly what Putin is doing. He's been leading Russia into the Crimea and other places in psychological compensation for the collapse of the Soviet Union.
If they are worried about the threat of aggessive nationalism, they are looking in the wrong direction.

Totally agree. Nationalism can be subverted into nefarious goals and has been. Your Putin example is evidence that it is occurring even now.

The U.S., however, historically returns to a more normal operating basis, Still, a wary eye is a good thing. one would think.

Considering the alternative to nationalism is globalism I will stick with nationalism and an “America First” policy any day.

a reply to: YouSir

I like that statement. I would add to our military has had all leashes taken off post 9/11. While I thank anyone who has served and think the world of our armed forces... They are among the best and have power this world has never seen, but those in control have been using that force to much.

While we are no where close to nazis, our endeavors have been costly in money and lives with questionable results. Something our citizens don't question.

Food for thought.

a reply to: schuyler

I see no reason to shun nationalism. There is nothing wrong with supporting and being loyal to your country.

While heartily agree, but I think that should come with isolationism or else projecting our influence in the form of bullets at all corners becomes globalist.

Welp, I just start a thread on this topic apparently you don't like astrology and want a more mainstream perspective on this topic, maybe from Fox News?

a reply to: nwtrucker

I agree that things tend to "normalize" after spikes in nationalism. 9/11 is a good example someone already mentioned. It also continues to manifest itself on issues such as immigration. Nationalism is also large part of the anti-immigration, anti-illegal immigrant mantra.

Nationalism, while it can still be used to justify military/authoritarian actions and sentiments, is still used as an effective tool of propaganda, just as it was used during ww2.

Modern music, movies, sports, news channels, etc, use nationalistic sentiment and beliefs in order to capitalize off of those that who hold ultra-patriotic views. Hell, the most basic formula behind modern country music is to tap in to the nationalistic emotions of the American people.

So it is my opinion that the biggest effect we see with nationalism in modern times is the propaganda that is produced to fleece suckers of their money and votes.