WATCH: Two Transgenders Blow Out Girls In State Meet

originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: olaru12
Transgenders should only compete against other transgenders.

Hey if you're going to put this on a bathroom door there should definitely be three race divisions!

4. You forgot the para-athletes.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Perhaps athletic events should lbe based on something like weight class/muscle mass rather than gender?

What would be a fair way to do it to preserve fair athletic contests?

Gender matters. The skeleton of a male vs a female grants one with various advantages. Mens shoulders make them stronger in the torso, pound for pound. WOmens pelvis' give them greater balance.

There are actual physiological differences between men and women, even when you change the cosmetic appearance through surgery and chemicals. Short of changing skeletomuscular structure, there is not way to truly change genders. And the differences in that structure create an environment where, depending on event, one gender or the other will be advantaged more greatly.

a reply to: intrepid

You know, when I took that picture I wondered when the disabled population would complain that their symbol was smaller than the rest. Discrimination!

a reply to: underpass61

Yup. I thought the same. Some people get bent out of shape over the smallest things. Pun intended.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Aside from a quibble about the meaning of gender, what you say forms the basis of my asking if there aren't more fair ways to split people into competive groups than gender.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Aside from a quibble about the meaning of gender, what you say forms the basis of my asking if there aren't more fair ways to split people into competive groups than gender.

There is none. We compete based on gender. Men aren't allowed in women's competitions and women typically can't compete with the men. There is no other way to set this up. Nor should we even try.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Aside from a quibble about the meaning of gender, what you say forms the basis of my asking if there aren't more fair ways to split people into competive groups than gender.

There is none. We compete based on gender. Men aren't allowed in women's competitions and women typically can't compete with the men. There is no other way to set this up. Nor should we even try.

Why?

Transgender acceptance is anti-feminist.

In the name of "doing your own thing," these confused people are demeaning the biological women. If republican white males were doing this, they'd be called out instantly. But because of intersexionality, they are rewarded for displacing women.

The process of letting some persons explore their individuality ends up hurting others who remain marginalized. All in the name of liberating males, they oppress actual women

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Aside from a quibble about the meaning of gender, what you say forms the basis of my asking if there aren't more fair ways to split people into competive groups than gender.

There is none. We compete based on gender. Men aren't allowed in women's competitions and women typically can't compete with the men. There is no other way to set this up. Nor should we even try.

Why?

Because physical competition has always been about physiology. Changing one's identity doesn't change one's physiology.

a reply to: Gryphon66

With a shoe horn you can make almost anything fit when it otherwise wouldn't.

But I don't think there is a way to do it logically. We've create novel notions of gender, but the reality is nature kinda locked that in. The 2 bodies are designed for 2 different things entirely. Combined together they make a formidable force to take on the world.

It even goes into color vision. Women have suprerior color vision, with women being the only possibility for a tetrachromatic vision due to the genetics involved.

I just don't think I see a way to separate actual athletic competition in any way besides starting with gender, then moving into weight class.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Because like it or not, men and women are biologically different with different strengths and weaknesses and those come out when as we mature.

The only time that boys and girls compete on a relatively even playing field is before puberty hits. And since girls hit puberty before boys, there is actually a small window where athletically competent girls will tear boys a new one before puberty hits for boys and they catch up and overtake even the best female athletes.

There are few sports where the two genders can compete side by side and usually it happens when the physical component is in some way removed. Equestrian events is the best example I can think of. Most of the sheer physical brawn there is handled by the horse, so the biological differences in sex are less apparent and men and women can compete on a level playing field.

a reply to: Gryphon66

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originally posted by: underpass61

originally posted by: olaru12
Transgenders should only compete against other transgenders.

Hey if you're going to put this on a bathroom door there should definitely be three race divisions!

Guess this guy was just too far ahead of his time...

Think this is bad you should watch the wrestling matches.
Everyone is just the same so it must be talent alone that makes transgenders win.
smh

a reply to: shooterbrody

andy kaufman was definitely before his time.

and it sucks he didn't stick around longer.

a reply to: intrepid

I agree completely.

So, why shouldn't we base the classes of athletic completion on rational factors ... ranges of muscle mass, bone density even testosterone levels?

There are many sports that have these classes/ divisions ... wouldn't this make all competition more fair?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

So... We can do away with weight classes in combat sports then?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: intrepid

I agree completely.

So, why shouldn't we base the classes of athletic completion on rational factors ... ranges of muscle mass, bone density even testosterone levels?

That's already in place.

There are many sports that have these classes/ divisions ... wouldn't this make all competition more fair?

Fair for who? No one is kept out or disadvantaged with the way things are.

a reply to: ketsuko

Thanks for the info that men and women are different.

What determines athletic prowess? Muscles, bone density, etc. Why not base competitive classes on those rational measures?

originally posted by: intrepid


That's already in place.

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There are many sports that have these classes/ divisions ... wouldn't this make all competition more fair?

Fair for who? No one is kept out or disadvantaged with the way things are.

This thread is about unfair competition based purely on gender. It's clear that is no longer a fair partition.