WATCH: Two Transgenders Blow Out Girls In State Meet

a reply to: RowanBean

Entire governments cave in to pressure like this...but one agency can't?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: RowanBean

Entire governments cave in to pressure like this...but one agency can't?

Sure they can. But we've yet to see that happen. They make changes to DSM due to new evidence coming in light.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: RowanBean

Entire governments cave in to pressure like this...but one agency can't?

Sure they can. But we've yet to see that happen. They make changes to DSM due to new evidence coming in light.

I am very familiar with the DSM. My fiance and I discussed it often as it applied to her work. (I also studied psych for several years but went with engineering instead) She is a psych nurse specializing in child/adolescent behavior. She sees them during the years their identities are formed. And she has seen the DSM change every time science decides it made a mistake or some new alternative is acknowledged. Look at the revision level of the DSM and how many supplemental updates are issued every year to get an idea of what I am talking about. Those aren't all typo corrections.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Oh yeah I am aware they make revisions all the time. It's the nature of science. I am just finding it dubious that the APA is afraid of riots and protests. That would mean we'd have to interview many of psychiatrists and psychologists on that. That's like they're afraid that anorexics might protest and riot to have anorexia removed as a mental illness.

I am sorry but I just think it is wrong for men to compete against women regardless of how they view their sexuality or 'identity'. Men are stronger. Its an unfair advantage in any competition that requires strength.

If we are going to insist that men and women compete against each other why not do it like they do in drag racing?

(seriously, no pun intended...)

Each competitor sets a time and then competes against other competitors fairly, regardless of how fast or slow they are comparatively, by using a timed delay at the starting line. A car that can run a quarter mile in 15 seconds has as good a chance to win as a car that can do it in 10 seconds. If both competitors hit their target time perfectly they should cross the finish line simultaneously. If they set an artificially slow target time and run faster, they are disqualified. That way you are always competing against your personal best as well as others.

Reasonable?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

LOL. Drag race. I love it!

a reply to: one4all

You are incorrect. Every one of these groups supports full civil rights for all gender identities.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

The IOC, NCAA and other sports organizations have decided that testosterone levels are the demarcation point for fair competition.

I suggested changing the divisions based on muscle mass, weight, etc. which more or less relate to testosterone levels.

For those trans athletes that have been in transition for some time (and basically, the only concern here is with male-to-female trans folks) the hormone therapies have had time to bring levels (and accordingly, muscle mass, etc.) more in line with the sex-based standards.

The criteria for fair competition in high-school needs some consideration. In the case of the OP, Connecticut specifies that the gender one competes as must be decided upon and the student will remain in that division.

Had that been applied to the the students of concern in the OP, there would be no issue, as they both previously competed as boys.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Im kinda looking at all atheltics and sports as kind of meh! now

like wow , what an achievement , you can run fast, or throw , kick , hit a ball really far !

you can swim 100 meters in 10 seconds

great , you can jump over a 6 meter pole

there is an upper limit and its being reached soon enough we will know the true limits of human biology
and we wont surpass that limit.

Maybe just because im older and no longer care for sports in any way what so ever !

I just dont see them as being positive to the advancement of the human species, entertainment wise yes

so I think sports and athletics are great for you to push yourself , but what do you do once you have done that , because you will never beat your personal best continually as there is a limit to what the human body can do!

as for transgender in sport , well sure let them join in , but having them compete against biological females and winning every time is kind of unfair and unsportsmanlike because as others have pointed out they have a chemical advantage which is considered illegal to other athletes!

So in order to make sports fun again , we should allow humans to super dope , augment their entire bodies to see how far we can push these times, scores etc !

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: one4all

You are incorrect. Every one of these groups supports full civil rights for all gender identities.

Who's ignoring TG's civil rights by not allowing them to compete in women's sports?

Are wonen's civil rights denied because they can't use the men's room?

a reply to: intrepid

Legally in CT, these students gender is their gender identity. Yes, if you arbitrarily refuse to let them compete, you're violating their civil rights. Thankfully, that's not what the folks in CT are doing.

a reply to: Gryphon66

1 state does not make this even a trend. It's an anomaly. Extrapolating it to the rest of the country doesn't work. If TG people want to be seen as equal to women move to CT. It doesn't fly anywhere else.