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a reply to: karmicecstasy
a reply to: ketsuko

It's TRUE! Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Sorry Ted Cruz, Star Wars has always been political — and liberal

I'm not the only one who has made the parallels to white supremacy

Chris Weitz tweeted, "Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization," with Gary Whitta then adding that the Empire was "opposed by a multicultural group led by brave women." They were quickly deleted, but still heard around the galaxy.

Similarly (and more recently), Luke Skywalker himself, Mark Hamill, got into a brief Twitter spat with Texas Senator and death penalty fanboy, Ted Cruz, over Net Neutrality.

But even George Lucas has always maintained that Star Wars is political.

George Lucas has been pretty open about certain political influences on his space opera.

In an interview for the Chicago Tribune in 2015, Lucas stated explicitly that the movie "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”

There it is. Black and white. Clear as crystal. Star Wars was about Nixon. Good day, sir.

Did you think that was too subtle? How about when, during an interview in "The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi," Lucas, when asked if Palpatine had ever been a Jedi, replied, "No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy."

a reply to: DieGloke

I'm sorry if you want to turn your brain off in a movie, but stories tend to take from modern life to tell their tales. That is how it has always been, and Star Wars is no exception. The only reason you don't care about the politics of the original movies is because the stories are ingrained into your lexicon. The movies today are no different; hell if anything they are realer in that the characters behave more like how real humans behave.

Though if you want to be mindlessly entertained by idiotic action, perhaps you should go watch a Transformers movie instead?

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
Oh it ain't sci-fi bro.

It's about space wizards.

No need to bring science into it at all. No need to talk about fuel and tracking and all that crap they brought into it.

If you were going into the Solo movie expecting "space wizards" then you set yourself up for failure. Han Solo SPECIFICALLY states in A New Hope that he doesn't even believe in the Force. So him experiencing the Force or adventuring with a Force sensitive person in the Solo movie would have broken canon. C'MON MAN!!!!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I was just expecting a competent film.

I expected too much.

Wherever the circle jerk goes from there, I don't care anymore. Star Wars is never going to be Star Wars again.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I was just expecting a competent film.

I expected too much.

Wherever the circle jerk goes from there, I don't care anymore. Star Wars is never going to be Star Wars again.

So the biggest problem with Star Wars is quite simple.

Its amazing..... when your 12 years old and watching the spectacle that is the battle of hoth for the first time on the big screen and its like nothing you have ever seen before.

I am a mega Star Wars fan, because when I watch the movies, read the books, enjoy the tv shows or whatever else I let myself be a 12 year old kid again. Its a leap of imagination that I take mentally, when you watched Star Wars as a kid you didn't sit there and think about how the Lucas believed that the Emperor was actually Nixon and that the Ewokes are actually a metaphor for the Vietcong. You just sit back and enjoy it. I mean you didn't hate a new hope because "we don't serve their kind hear".

I didn't really like Solo and yes the SJW stuff with El-3 annoyed, its not why I didn't like the movie, I didn't like the movie because 12 year old me was bored by it.

Yet I still have to disagree with you, Star Wars will always be Star Wars. Actually thats one of the amazing things about it, if you don't like the movies then watch Rebels, if you don't like that then you have the live action TV series to look forward to and if thats not your thing you can dip into a few of the books and comic.

I think its sad when people lose enjoyment in Star Wars because they disagree with the politics of the movie, the perceived political message behind the movie because they are robbing themselves of enjoyment.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Sounds like a personal problem. As I said originally, I enjoyed the movie just fine. It wasn't a game changer by any means, but it was enjoyable enough.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Yah It wasn't the politics that ruined it for me.

Make a tighter story with decent writing and I'll be back on board.

I'm also a big Trek fan so I'm used to the SJW crap already.

Just make an effort for good stories again, that's all I ask.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Then I would highly recommend rebels, if you can get through the first season that is.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

I'm sorry if you want to turn your brain off in a movie, but stories tend to take from modern life to tell their tales. That is how it has always been, and Star Wars is no exception. The only reason you don't care about the politics of the original movies is because the stories are ingrained into your lexicon. The movies today are no different; hell if anything they are realer in that the characters behave more like how real humans behave.

Though if you want to be mindlessly entertained by idiotic action, perhaps you should go watch a Transformers movie instead?

Completely missed the point of what I wrote.

Yes star wars has always had some message and politics but it has been subtle and merged into the story seamlessly. It has not been on the nose, obnoxious and preachy.

Rogue one was brilliant. It had probably the most diverse star wars cast and it worked because it had a brilliant story that was not preachy, obnoxious and blatantly political.

A film can be good without being blatant and peachy.

a reply to: DieGloke

Star Wars has always been politically preachy.

Did you hate a new hope because "we don't serve their kind hear" or did George Lucas run it to the ground when he said that the Emperor was Nixon and the Ewokes were the Vietcong?

a reply to: DieGloke

Says you. I've noticed it for a LONG time now. How did you feel about the second trilogy mirroring the Iraq war?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: DieGloke

Star Wars has always been politically preachy.

Did you hate a new hope because "we don't serve their kind hear"

It was simple statement that it into the story narrative. It wasn't a long peachy dialogue. It was a little tweak that fit.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: DieGloke

or did George Lucas run it to the ground when he said that the Emperor was Nixon and the Ewokes were the Vietcong?

Its is star WARS. So a analogy to military politics is much more fitting. Its star WARS not Star Social Justice. And Again it was done in a away I though was well done. plus Military politics is far more interesting.

a reply to: DieGloke

So you didn't mind when the originals where political but you have a problem with some of the political messages being explored in the newer movies.

your logic isn't making much sense.

To me the line "we don't serve your kind hear" was as political as it gets.

What is it about the political message that you don't like in the newer movies that you find preachy?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Says you. I've noticed it for a LONG time now. How did you feel about the second trilogy mirroring the Iraq war?

Again it is Star WARS not Star Social justice. Military politics and military analogies fit in a lot better. Plus again it was somewhat subtle. Its not exactly a blatant mirror of the Iraq war. Iraq didn't exactly have a formidable army of robots and put up a prolonged fight and there was not exactly a long drawn out partisan war in the trilogy.

originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Says you. I've noticed it for a LONG time now. How did you feel about the second trilogy mirroring the Iraq war?

Again it is Star WARS not Star Social justice. Military politics and military analogies fit in a lot better. Plus again it was somewhat subtle. Its not exactly a blatant mirror of the Iraq war. Iraq didn't exactly have a formidable army of robots and put up a prolonged fight and there was not exactly a long drawn out partisan war in the trilogy.

I think the analogy has always been that the Americans were the bad guys.....

He once said that Chaney was the Emperor and Bush was Vader of the prequel trilogy that it told the story of corruption in politics, using power to take away the rights of people.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: DieGloke

So you didn't mind when the originals where political but you have a problem with some of the political messages being explored in the newer movies.

your logic isn't making much sense.

To me the line "we don't serve your kind hear" was as political as it gets.

Its not the message. It how its done and portrayed and the amount.

The message in the new movies is just badly written. Hell I dont even know what the message is, it is just preachy mumbo jumbo as it that badly written.

Exception being rogue one. Rogue one nailed what starwars is to me.

a reply to: DieGloke

Hell I dont even know what the message is

So you don't know what the message is behind the new movies just that you don't like it and thats it being preachy you just don't know what its being preachy about.

Yeah....

Again not making much sense here buddy.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Says you. I've noticed it for a LONG time now. How did you feel about the second trilogy mirroring the Iraq war?

Again it is Star WARS not Star Social justice. Military politics and military analogies fit in a lot better. Plus again it was somewhat subtle. Its not exactly a blatant mirror of the Iraq war. Iraq didn't exactly have a formidable army of robots and put up a prolonged fight and there was not exactly a long drawn out partisan war in the trilogy.

I think the analogy has always been that the Americans were the bad guys.....

He once said that Chaney was the Emperor and Bush was Vader of the prequel trilogy that it told the story of corruption in politics, using power to take away the rights of people.

Eitherway being starWARS not StarSocialjustice, more military political narrative fit in more.

Not to say there should not be some socialjustice, just it should be small and and between as its not the focus of the film.

a reply to: DieGloke

I guess you missed all the warring going on in the Solo movie while your eyes were reddened with all that Social Justice that sends you into a blind rage, or do you think that Solo literally helping jump start the Rebellion's funding was Social Justice?

Me, I happen to like the characters on the screen have some extra depth than good or evil. Like Han's gf being dark side aligned but still doing the good thing in the end with letting him get away with the fuel.

a reply to: DieGloke

Yeah but you can't tell me what that message is.

If you don't like the movies thats fine just don't invent some wired political reason to dislike them because the inter web told you so.

Be original.