The Nimitz story in the former OMF forum

a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

As a neuroscientist.....I must say "TFT' is very psychologically skillful...this thread will make an excellent case-study!

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

Hey TFT, what do you think about the information that we only started seeing these things once we fielded the upgraded Aegis SPY-1 radar system, and the upgraded radars on the F-18? Seems to me these things have always been here, or been here for a while, and we just couldnt see them until our tech caught up with them. Had you ever heard anything else strange in your time in the Navy, either before or after this incident?

Almost has me thinking that no one could see them until we all could see them (maybe some strange quantum thing?)

Okay now this is the most interesting post in this thread, because this is EXACTLY where my head has been for weeks. Essentially, I have been wondering are they cloaking themselves in the infrared light spectrum?
Also another thing is, what is the average altitude of a ufo? Obviously you realize how wicked low we are to the ground, and how there is a vast amount of space above us, even the human eye can't see past a certain point and there is alot beyond that. I'm wondering why nobody has created a UFO hunting drone, or camera system to view them.

I have been reading this, and it's pretty interesting the guy breaks down what the best consumer camera setup is for UFO hunting. If you look on his page, he was even able to take a shot of the International Space Station, which is incredible.

infrared-aerial-phenomena-research.blogspot.com...

Are you interested in designing some type of camera system, or drone system to monitor UFO activity?

Sincerely,

TFT

originally posted by: The GUT

I noted that a certain member near the end of TFT's video drop thread mentioned "steerable plasmas." I watched that project go at least somewhat "black" in the sense that some online discussion between contractors got scrubbed along with some earlier reports from the Navy. Not saying that's what happened but it certainly deserves some consideration in trying to make sense of all this.

Could be plasma ..could be any number of strange manifestations when you've got decades of laser and varying magnetic field experiments under your belt.

Although beamed countermeasure is one of my pet theories IF these alleged objects exist/ed - we cant forget reports of the objects being on station for prolonged periods of time ( 12 hours I think??).

So now- we need a localised stealthy mobile emitter powerful enough to create atmospheric manifestations at 20KFT+ for prolonged periods in remote parts of the the ocean- OR a remote solution which utilises OTH atmospheric refraction/overhead satellites/ other space based asset to facilitate.

You could argue the systems which showed prolonged on station activity were also hacked as part of the "full spectrum" countermeasure approach but just doing the local beamed energy light show for eyewitnesses would be a fairly significant undertaking..

I find this interesting, highlighted points.



If this is real, it would be interesting to explore what Radio tower was in New Mexico, at the time. Because whatever that is, may hold a key on how to down a UFO. I also find it interesting that they are in silk suits, which I've read in many different places, also 3 ft tall "humanoids". As advanced as these crafts are, it seems that they are able to be taken down by unknown means.

Source: www.roswellproof.com...

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns
I find this interesting, highlighted points.

If this is real, it would be interesting to explore what Radio tower was in New Mexico, at the time. Because whatever that is, may hold a key on how to down a UFO. I also find it interesting that they are in silk suits, which I've read in many different places, also 3 ft tall "humanoids". As advanced as these crafts are, it seems that they are able to be taken down by unknown means.

Source: www.roswellproof.com...

Interesting. Perhaps these beings never developed radar technology, or its so archaic in terms of what they currently have, that they never considered it as a threat or even as an option?

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

Essentially, I have been wondering are they cloaking themselves in the infrared light spectrum?

Repeat that back to yourself - slowly.

originally posted by: PokeyJoe

Interesting. Perhaps these beings never developed radar technology, or its so archaic in terms of what they currently have, that they never considered it as a threat or even as an option?

Yes ..that's probably how they conquered interstellar travel....by not expecting things like beamed electromagnetic waves.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Who says they travelled here, they have always been here, either vibrating on a different level that humans can see under certain conditions or here but in a universe that is parallel to ours, is what I'm thinking.
At the mo.

originally posted by: ManyMasks
a reply to: Jukiodone

Who says they travelled here, they have always been here, either vibrating on a different level that humans can see under certain conditions or here but in a universe that is parallel to ours, is what I'm thinking.
At the mo.

ManyMasks, I'm just curious what you think about the nature of UFO's specifically the saucer variation like in the film. Do you believe they are good natured or bad? What do you think, given all the reports and stories (an accumulation of them) is their agenda? I'm interested in your outlook. Thanks.

a reply to: Jukiodone

You need to get your head out of you ass, and be a little less condescending to everyone. All I did was pose a question. You have absolutely no idea what the history or thought process of a hypothetical alien species would be. Perhaps they do not perceive the electromagnetic spectrum the same way we do? Perhaps they come from a different dimension where the laws of physics do not apply the same as they do here.

a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

OMG...seriously...
I won't say anything rude......but if roswell and 3 ft tall "humanoids" is where this thread is heading....

PEACE OUT!!!! It was fun while it lasted...

DUDE... TFT or whom ever you are. Thanks for posting the video back in 2007. I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavors. Word of advice try your best to solely rely on DATA like you initially provided (RADAR, FLIR vidoes, etc) and not documents as you posted.
Have a wonderful week!
And truly good luck on your search!
Best,

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: TheFinalTheoryReturns

Essentially, I have been wondering are they cloaking themselves in the infrared light spectrum?

Repeat that back to yourself - slowly.

originally posted by: PokeyJoe

Interesting. Perhaps these beings never developed radar technology, or its so archaic in terms of what they currently have, that they never considered it as a threat or even as an option?

Yes ..that's probably how they conquered interstellar travel....by not expecting things like beamed electromagnetic waves.

What do you think of this, was doing some digging around about towers that had ufo interactions and stumbled on this:

www.cedarhilltx.com...

It's pretty weird for a towns website to list a "Electro-Magnetic-Wave-Contraption" as one of its historical features.

Here's the tower itself:



Here's the story:



Highlighted points are of particular interest. This tower just looks strange, and also who designed or built it? Why was a ufo speeding toward the towers. This is pretty interesting for the fact it may hold key information about what type of towers or technology attract a ufo which may be of considerable use to use, since we are trying to get a picture / film that is more clear.

Edit:

Here's an official Memorandum that states that "the Government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with the controlling mechanics of the saucers."



Put this together and you can see where I'm going with it. I'd like to find out which tower they are talking about, and study what is so "unique" about it, which I believe holds many keys to ufo's discovery.

Sincerely,

TFT

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

OMG...seriously...
I won't say anything rude......but if roswell and 3 ft tall "humanoids" is where this thread is heading....

PEACE OUT!!!! It was fun while it lasted...

DUDE... TFT or whom ever you are. Thanks for posting the video back in 2007. I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavors. Word of advice try your best to solely rely on DATA like you initially provided (RADAR, FLIR vidoes, etc) and not documents as you posted.
Have a wonderful week!
And truly good luck on your search!
Best,

Take care and you are welcome.

TFT

a reply to: celltypespecific

So let me guess....you think it was a weather balloon that crashed at Roswell?

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
a reply to: celltypespecific

So let me guess....you think it was a weather balloon that crashed at Roswell?

Pokey check this out, it's a signed affadavit by Barbara Dugger, a schoolteacher, one of the two granddaughters of the late George Wilcox, Chaves County Sheriff in Roswell at the time of the incident.

ufologie.patrickgross.org...

What I find interesting is that she states here as well, small beings with large heads dressed in silk. This is not the first time this has been mentioned! It's a recurring theme for eye witnesses of downed craft!

also

She states that the government threatened to kill her and her entire family if she talked about it.
The government is clearly willing to use deadly force to stop the information from spreading.

Sincerely,

TFT

a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

Personally I'm of the mind that Roswell actually happened and is what officially kicked off the US Governments involvement in UFO's and the inevitable UFO coverup.

a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns

From time to time folk turn up who have what we might consider odd ideas while also having some flair for gadgetry.

I met such a feller in a mid-size town in Georgia. He had made his living as the go to t.v. & electronic repair shop. He built all sorts of contraptions over the years---most of them built for what he said were health purposes. He had/has a throne-like contraption in the back of his shop.

Folk sit in it and it makes humming noises and, they hope, cure or cleanse their body---wires, old-timey vacuumn tubes & bulbs, a little static surrounding the sitter, that kind of thing. I declined to sit in it but I enjoyed watching a line of folk take their turn. They were coming from all over the south.

Then we have those with a more scientific background.

Sir William Crookes was an interesting chap. Some said his Crookes Tube came from experiments to talk to the “beyond.”

Sir William Crookes (1832–1919) was one of the 19th century’s greatest scientists, an honored chemist and physicist, and an early investigator of Mediumship. Crookes sat with D.D. Home and Florence Cook, among others. For much of his life he was committed to Spiritualism.

Crookes was not content simply to observe Home’s phenomena; he wanted to see them produced under proper Scientific conditions. In his first report of his studies, he described how Home’s accordion would play and move around without contact within a metal cage, and how Home could influence a plank with a weight attached to raise or lower at will, while he and two other scientists of repute, William Huggins and Serjeant Cox, watched and took notes. In his discussion, he distanced himself from the belief that spirits were responsible for these effects, and suggested instead that they were due to some “psychic force” emanating from the medium.

Crookes believed the psychic force to be of supreme Scientific importance, and he tried in vain to interest other scientists in investigating it with him. He was snubbed by two members of the Royal Society he invited to attend experimental seances with Home, and the same Society (its full name is the “Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge”) rejected the paper he submitted for publication. He published it instead in his Quarterly Journal of Science, to great controversy. One of his critics charged that the phenomena he reported could not have occurred because they were impossible, to which Crookes replied, “I never said it was possible, I only said it was true.”

Crookes served as president of the Chemical Society from 1887 to 1889 and president of the Society of Electrical Engineers from 1890 to 1894. He was knighted in 1897. In 1898 he was elected president of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, and in his presidential address he made a point of saying he had nothing to retract from his earlier reports on Home and Cook.

Five years later, in 1903, Crookes invented the spinthariscope, an instrument used in the study of subatomic particles. He received the Order of Merit, one of Great Britain’s highest civilian honors, in 1910, and from 1913 to 1915 he served as president of the Royal Society, the organization that had so fiercely objected to his psychical investigations.

Link

Then there was Wilhelm Reich—of orgone energy fame—who while formally trained in Psychology was nonetheless quite enthused about unique inventions.

The link below is mostly an enthusiast talking about rainmaking experiments past and present, but Reich also posited that there are living non-human intelligences here in our atmosphere—sky beings of some sort. He claimed to be shooting some of them down with his cloudbusters.

CLOUDBUSTER – WILHELM REICH – ORGONE ENERGY: “Rebuilding Wilhelm Reich’s Cloudbuster Rain Machine”-(Video) The Rainmaker – “Let it Rain!”

You mentioned IR-photography and that brings to mind folk similar to the above researchers:

This book presents evidence that UFOs are mainly invisible and consist of both physical craft and living, biological creatures. The author convincingly shows that our atmosphere is the home of huge, invisible living organisms that are sometimes confused with spacecraft when they became visible. Mr. Constable has photographed both types of UFOs with special infrared film, some of which are reproduced in this expanded and updated edition. Despite his bold leap into the future, the general public and official ufology have a hard time accepting the evidence.

In recent years teams of engineers and technicians in both Italy and Romania, unaware of Constable's earlier discoveries, obtained virtually identical infrared photos of UFOs, which were published in Italy. In 1996, NASA used ultraviolet-sensitive videotape to record swarms of invisible UFOs that looked like Constable's earlier photos. Examples from these photos are also contained in this book. Also covered are earlier pioneers into important life energies that play a big role in this research, including Wilhelm Reich, Rudolf Steiner, and Dr. Ruth B. Drown. This is an important book, recommended for those interested in the higher realms of our physical reality.

The Cosmic Pulse of Life: The Revolutionary Biological Power Behind UFOs by Trevor James Constable

I personally don't have much of an opinion on all the above, but I do find different bits of all of them fascinating and it seemed to somewhat fit your interests.

There is this take on Roswell by a researcher and writer. I have no firm opinion on Roswell.

It is mentioned after a couple of minutes and later on in the interview.

a reply to: TheFinalTheoryReturns
here is what Jung concluded on the phenomenon

Jung came to the conclusion that UFOs were examples of the phenomena of synchronicity where external events mirror internal psychic states. As usual, he saw the UFO situation in a broader perspective than most. For Jung the UFO images had much to do with the ending of an era in history and the beginning of a new one. In his introductory remarks to Flying Saucers he writes about the UFO events:


"As we know from ancient Egyptian history, they are manifestations of psychic changes which always appear at the end of one Platonic month and at the beginning of another. Apparently they are changes in the constellation of psychic dominants, of the archetypes, or 'gods' as they used to be called, which bring about, or accompany, long-lasting transformations of the collective psyche. The transformation started in the historical era and left its traces first in the passing of the aeon of Taurus into that of Aries, and then of Aries into Pisces, whose beginning coincides with the rise of Christianity. We are now nearing that great change which may be expected when the spring point enters Aquarius."

related to archetypal images like discs (boob) and cigar (penis) and they make movements similar to that of a child drawing on a board , or something Im writing that from memory. But then when you go through the ages when these occurrences where named things like salamanders, other elemental spirits, dragons, angels, witches or gods.
The lady of Fatima being another where the power of mass belief can manifest an energy.
Occultists of an adept level can create energies with the power of thought and can communicate with familiar spirits that are either part of or separate from the collective psyche.
Gods of old may have been manifested by collective human belief created more powerful if the energy attributed to is under more emotional duress, like having your heart pulled out and head cut of at the top of a pyramid.

My main idea on all this is it's a manipulation of human consciousness as it goes through a collective change, TPTB have always used fear to control the sheep, not to much fear or they will revolt. False flags have been a thing since it was claimed Crowley instructed the allied forces to sink their own submarine... To provoke the people to support the war.
Ultimately I don't think all aliens come from other planets it's possible that they've been or they watch.
But most of the things we see are energies of this earth that are created by human consciousness and operate at different vibrational levels or they are sperate but again reside in a parallel universe, with a black sun and anti matter... Living it up, ha.

I have other ideas that I would place above them being aliens of another planet, but like my tag says I'm an idEAentertainer and I can change my mind quickly in what's what when new information gives me the ah moment.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

You could argue the systems which showed prolonged on station activity were also hacked as part of the "full spectrum" countermeasure approach but just doing the local beamed energy light show for eyewitnesses would be a fairly significant undertaking..

Would have to--apparently--be able to return radar? Anyways, in reference to your above thoughts, does history repeat itself.

CIA, under its assigned responsibilities, and in cooperation with the psychological strategy board, immediately investigate possible offensive or defensive utilization of the phenomena for psychological warfare purposes both for and against the United States, advising those agencies charged with U.S. internal security of any pertinent findings affecting their areas of responsibility. www.deeppoliticsforum.com...

Among other things, this document contains confirmation that Battelle Memorial Institute was working on UFO project(s) at the time of the Robertson Panel, (January 1953), and apparently could exercise some amount of control over the handling of the subject matter. 
www.cufon.org...

Therefore, we recommend that a controlled experiment be set up by which reliable physical data can be obtained. A tentative preliminary plan by which the experiment could be designed and carried out is discussed in the following paragraphs.

Assuming that, from our analysis, several definite areas productive of reports can be selected, we recommend that one or two of theses areas be set up as experimental areas. This area, or areas, should have observation posts with complete visual skywatch, with radar and photographic coverage, plus all other instruments necessary or helpful in obtaining positive and reliable data on everything in the air over the area. A very complete record of the weather should also be kept during the time of the experiment.

Coverage should be so complete that any object in the air could be tracked, and information as to its altitude, velocity, size, shape, color, time of day, etc. could be recorded. All balloon releases or known balloon paths, aircraft flights, and flights of rockets in the test area should be known to those in charge of the experiment. Many different types of aerial activity should be secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area.
www.philipcoppens.com...

This [Pentacle Memo] was the report that was also at the core of [Dr.] Leon Davidson’s enquiries and which made him conclude that the US government were using UFOs as part of a psychological warfare exercise…

...But Davidson pointed out that as early as 1945, mechanical countermeasures against radar had become publicly known – and used. It was known that these could cause blips on the radar screen, resulting in incorrect range, speed, or heading. This was called Electronic Countermeasures and Davidson believed this method of counterintelligence was used to present the myth that “UFOs” existed.

Davidson drew the infamous equation: ECM+CIA=UFO, suggesting that the CIA were creating ECM signals on radars, so that people would believe in the presence of UFOs, as they confirmed eyewitness accounts of anomalous objects in the sky. Furthermore, the anomalous blips were a perfect mechanism to distort the true capabilities of any new aircraft that was being test-flown – occasional sightings of which were passed off as UFOs too.
www.philipcoppens.com...

Dr. Leon Davidson

ECM + CIA = UFO-or-How to Cause a Radar Sighting by Dr. Leon Davidson

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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Jukiodone

You could argue the systems which showed prolonged on station activity were also hacked as part of the "full spectrum" countermeasure approach but just doing the local beamed energy light show for eyewitnesses would be a fairly significant undertaking..

Would have to--apparently--be able to return radar?

So in this unlikely scenario- you have one system that provides optical stimulus to humans (i.e beamed atmospheric manifestation) and one system that allows you to populate the target sensing systems with fake bogeys.

Radar systems are made up of discrete components including front and back end software therefore you could argue any software which provides real time or post event data analysis could be compromised to generate believable "raining UFO's" or "persistent threat" scenarios for the operators.

This is a real stretch though and when you factor in the risk of simulating aerial engagements on multi million dollar assets without the pilots knowledge- there'd have to be some pretty compelling evidence to move this beyond pet theory.