The U.S. Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron : NY Times

Force Iran to the table like the world did with North Korea. It's Not rocket science.

originally posted by: carewemust
Promises MADE. Promises KEPT.

MAGA!

And reality ignored!

a reply to: Cassi3l

The US will rue the day that they elected this idiot

Come on we have been electing idiots for decades , look at the last few recent ones. Thankfully we managed to not get that one idiot that was under sniper fire that was called incompetent by the FBI.

a reply to: Cassi3l

I always viewed this deal as a rushed bribe from obama to Iran as a legacy move. Just used for good headlines and really resulted in nothing

originally posted by: Cassi3l
a reply to: gortex

It'll be like a birthday and Hanouka all rolled in to 1 for Bibi :
of course he'll be delighted !
Likewise, Russian arms sellers...


As with ACA and the Paris agreement
Trump can't come up with anything better, only to wreck things
Childishly pi$$ing on Obama's legacy

All should go . The ONLY thing the US folks have uniting them now.
The only ones against - foreigners and US Progressive Liberals (re:Socialists)
Neither count in the US

originally posted by: carewemust
Force Iran to the table like the world did with North Korea. It's Not rocket science.

Really? How exactly? North Korea continues to play to rules that it's making up and can't actually test any new nukes because it weakened the geology of its testing area to near-destruction.
I can tell you exactly how this is going to go down. The EU will continue to honour the Iran deal, as will Russia. US sanctions will not be that effective therefore, because Trump just spat in the face of the other signatories, who spent years negotiating the deal, which Trump's eyes was tainted because Obama was involved with it and Trump is a brainless child whenever Obama's name is mentioned. The EU now knows (if it didn't before) that Trump is untrustworthy and an idiot to boot.
This is a diplomatic disaster of the highest order for the US. So go ahead with the flag-waving, but 'diplomatic disaster' is not rocket science.

originally posted by: manuelram16
So what part of Obama's legacy is ruined ?
-When he said defiantly to president Bush "Mr. President stop this illegal war"
-Or the "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

1) Then why did Obama go way past Bush's withdrawal date ?
2) What a lie. The Senator that stood up and shouted "you lie" should have been awarded instead of condemned

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Cassi3l

I always viewed this deal as a rushed bribe from obama to Iran as a legacy move. Just used for good headlines and really resulted in nothing

Then do some basic research on it and discover the true depth of your ignorance.

What was it... the seven countries we have to make join the Rothschild banking cartel?

Libya, Iraq, Iran, NK, Cuba, Syria, Afghanistan? Am I missing something, can't look it up now.

With China working on NK, and if NK and SK re-join, a war could be avoided there as they would be under the same umbrella, the same fed reserve. Which can only mean one thing!

Move up the war on Iran! Come on Donny, do your bidding, give us another war!

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
Promises MADE. Promises KEPT.

MAGA!

And reality ignored!

Who's reality ?
Certainly not the majority of US citizens

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
Promises MADE. Promises KEPT.

MAGA!

And reality ignored!

Who's reality ?
Certainly not the majority of US citizens

Erm, say what again? Majority?

a reply to: Gothmog

Listen, you guys can quip back and forth and all that, but you have to get the facts right. Yes, if you look at some right leaning or left leaning poll, the numbers will be skewed, so I always direct to the people that have been doing it the longest and are respected by all sides.

Gallup has been known to lean right slightly and the family that owns it ultra conservative. They have been engaged in a scandal before for donating to the Republican party, which should not be done by journalists, but if I remember correctly it has been squared away, the donation was for something like $3,000.

Overall, with that behind them they are well respected by all sides and have presidential data going back to before WW2.

Here is this week's ratings, putting trump at 42% approval rating. That would make his support in this country a minority.

GALLUP This Week

It's also worth mentioning that Gallup was not liked by Obama supporters as it showed Obama polling lower than they liked. In fact, Obama didn't poll very high at all, even in his first year, which is most always the highest one.

But that's just the way things were, Obama didn't poll that high. And now, this is just the way things are - Donald doesn't poll very high.

a reply to: Kharron
It was Sudan not Libya that was part of the list. We got our South Sudan, Somalia is also in our pocket now, but the Turks are encroaching. Syria is still regaining control of whats left for them West of the Euphrates and continues to battle Turkey in a race to reclaim land before it is taken by the Turks. By the end of the year they should have most of the small pockets left between the coast and the river Euphrates. The the State vs. State open warfare can begin with Israel, Iran, Syria, US, Russia, Turkey and some of the GCC over the same exact places we have all already been fighting since 2009. Well really pretty much should just Say NATO, Australia, Israel, the GCC vs. Iran, Syria, Russia. Im pretty sure Turkey is going to betray us though, and really already has been playing double agent with Russia not long after they made amends for the shot down fighter jet.

Japan is ready to aide in the inevitable Pacific confrontation now that they have amended their constitution to allow for non-defensive deployments including overseas. In that corner we will have Japan, South Korea, Australia on our side possibly participate in some type of attempted containment of Chinese maritime travel, which I suspect will end in utter failure if it ever happens at all.

I suspect we got a five year window within which we shall begin to see more open state vs state operations occur globally. And then of course, people will still be all "man if ww3, please don't start ww3, it could lead to ww3..." and its still just raging across the horizon like it was when it was an open secret.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: carewemust
Promises MADE. Promises KEPT.

MAGA!

And reality ignored!

Who's reality ?
Certainly not the majority of US citizens

Erm, say what again? Majority?

Why should I ?
What I stated was with absolute clarity
Not my fault some folks "out of the picture" are in denial

a reply to: Kharron

Listen, you guys

That right there....
Nullifies and negates anything after that.

The "deal" wasn't a binding treaty, wasn't approved by congress, and Iran has probably violated it. Now watch as Western masochists tell us how much they love been walked on.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The "deal" wasn't a binding treaty, wasn't approved by congress, and Iran has probably violated it. Now watch as Western masochists tell us how much they love been walked on.

Even mattis said they were compiling with the treaty which was better than none mind you.

If I was Crazy Kim, there is ZERO change I would give up his nukes now since the US cannot be trusted to comply with deals. There has been ZERO proof they have continued to enrich uranium so far. Just alot of supposition by anti deal types but no proof.

If I was Iran, I would start those centrifuges back up and start making bombs

I love being proved right. May, Merkel and Macron have issued a statement saying that the UK, Germany and France are keeping to the Agreement as they think that Iran is keeping to the deal. To re-iterate my point - spitting in the face of your allies is a bad idea.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Well they must be popping bubbly over at Airbus. The Boeing deal is dead for sure