SCI/TECH: U.S. Still Silencing Scientists

Ok... for those that want to know...I'll give it a shot...

alligator husbandry 101:
... (channeling the crocodile hunter as we speak) envision the accent...

Right mate...
ere we are today at a bit of the outback called a swamp to help make baby alligators...
first thing is to collect the little man squirmys.. see these big boys ain't so big, since they have been TOXIFIED by hormones...They can't really physically do the mating thing, becuase they have been chemically affected to have an extordinarily small man tool...So they need our help!

so we ave ta grab the gator behind the snout and hug him tight so as to prevent the teeth from getting at us... cause boy, do they pack a WALLOP!

ginger my dog will distract the gator while i sneak up behind the monsta...

GARRR now that ive manhandled him... i reach around to collect the sperm, which is a little tricky....
(edited for pornographic content)

now that I ave the little squirmys in my jar, we seek out the sexually deprived female gator... yep ya guessed it... this is the fun part.

since she hasn't had the company of a man gator for a good while, she will seek us out from the musty smell of the sexually satisfied man gator that we were snugglin with...

yep here she comes up the bank... boy see how she is charging us... she must want these little wigglers bad... she wants to be a momma...

if i am careful, i can dodge her charge as she comes by, and throw myself on her as she passes... then it is just a matta of doing the opposite reach around and shove a quick fist full of wigglers in the Cloacae... and WALLA... the circle of life goes on...

ok, end of alligator husbandry class...
of course in this case, the offspring would likely be infertile, and the whole process would have ended up doing nothing but sexually satisfying two gators...

I am sure the gators would be grateful, but i would just feel so used...

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

ok, end of alligator husbandry class...
of course in this case, the offspring would likely be infertile, and the whole process would have ended up doing nothing but sexually satisfying two gators...

I am sure the gators would be grateful, but i would just feel so used...

Very good lesson laz.


I'm thinkin maybe salmon, or frogs? Lobsters are in trouble too but their claws are so big...

And what about the whales and dolphins? ...You know the blob things that keep washing up? Yep, mutated connective tissue stem cells.

Looks like everything is catching it, whatever it is. Just affects different species and individuals differently.

Time for some accountability here. In another thread, sardion recommended charging corporations with criminal charges instead of civil ones. A good idea, IMO.



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Originally posted by Dallas

Between Denver IA, the murder of scientists, mad cow and now the supression of scientific survivors to freely meet with WHO I'm finding it all disturbing. Why isn't congress appointing special investigators?

I have been noticing the media seems to leave these and other 'high-end' news worthy reporting out of its daily programing.

Dallas

I will tell you one of the reasons is that doctors themselves have trouble believing that the causes of some of the most common diseases are often prions...
I come from a very medically oriented family (i am the black sheep that didn't go to med school) and they all have no clue... when i say prion disease... they get a glazed look like deer in headlights... while freely admitting that dangerous variations exist... they don't look for them... and it comes up on their diagnosis list just above alien abduction... so don't expect any help from doctors any time soon... they are busy on the golfcourse...i mean...curing people...

why haven't we heard before?
soficrow has done some superb and thorough reporting. She is actually breaking ground on many of these issues...

why wont mainstream media report? well who owns them, for one?

I know that a few medical journals have printed them, because sofi has documented her research with said articles... but not much from your typical journalist... not enough "punch" in the first paragraph to interest them...

hopefully that will change, i am trying to point a few relevant mavens in our direction, to carry the cause...
if you know any mainstream journalists, turn them onto sofi's work... they would be impressed...

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

Originally posted by Dallas

Between Denver IA, the murder of scientists, mad cow and now the supression of scientific survivors to freely meet with WHO I'm finding it all disturbing. Why isn't congress appointing special investigators?

I have been noticing the media seems to leave these and other 'high-end' news worthy reporting out of its daily programing.

Dallas

I will tell you one of the reasons is that doctors themselves have trouble believing that the causes of some of the most common diseases are often prions...
I come from a very medically oriented family (i am the black sheep that didn't go to med school) and they all have no clue... when i say prion disease... they get a glazed look like deer in headlights... while freely admitting that dangerous variations exist... they don't look for them... and it comes up on their diagnosis list just above alien abduction...

dallas Sorry - I didn't mean to dis you. Those are very good questions.


"Why isn't congress appointing special investigators?" ...seems like the powers-that-be behind-the-scenes have been pitching the same line since the 1940's - and telling everyone that an "immune population" will emerge. ...Now they've added warnings that the beef industry needs to be "protected" and the nation faces economic ruin and chaos if the word gets out.

...everyone's cowed, and no one knows what to do (if they know about it). I say we take the decision out of their hands and force the issue.


Thanks for the plug Laz.


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More gag orders. The article is worth reading - but will be free online for only one week.

The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

The scientist, James E. Hansen, longtime director of the agency's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in an interview that officials at NASA headquarters had ordered the public affairs staff to review his coming lectures, papers, postings on the Goddard Web site and requests for interviews from journalists.

The fight between Dr. Hansen and administration officials echoes other recent disputes. At climate laboratories of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, for example, many scientists who routinely took calls from reporters five years ago can now do so only if the interview is approved by administration officials in Washington, and then only if a public affairs officer is present or on the phone. ...Where scientists' points of view on climate policy align with those of the administration, however, there are few signs of restrictions on extracurricular lectures or writing.

Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him

Also see: Some scientists worry it’s too late to reverse climate change

IMO - this is related.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Go Steve Jones!

Saw on CNN this morning, confirmation that scientists are not allowed to comment on anything climate related regarding development of policy...

What that wording means...
if scientific research on a environmental topic indicates that something needs to change soon

then they can't tell us, the public, without violating orders.

Now tell me that the EPA is doing its job.

none of this suprises me at all, it sickens me that science and other areas of research are basically regulated by new age politicians of the religious rite. its so much easier for the ignorant christan rite policy makers to jus imediately disregard science so they can keep thier fake faith in the bible and thier checkbooks.

radioactive_liquid -

IMO - Silencing scientists is NOT about religion - it's about protecting business, and profit, and skrewing ordinary people.

Originally posted by soficrow
radioactive_liquid -

IMO - Silencing scientists is NOT about religion - it's about protecting business, and profit, and skrewing ordinary people.

oh i agree about protecting business interests and all that stuff but there is also a big religous element to it too although im sure that not all of them are as religous as they say, merely using it as a front of some sort. stem cell research being the number one area they silence and shoot down, any money making company related to the medical field doesnt wanna see cures, they much rather stick to the arrangment they have now and make billions off the medicine.

This administration does not want US scientists talking to other scientists; US scientists are prevented from attending international conferences, and other scientists are prevented from coming here.


Indian scientist’s visa denial sparks outrage

A decision two weeks ago by a U.S. consulate in India to refuse a visa to a prominent Indian scientist has triggered heated protests in that country and set off a major diplomatic flap on the eve of President Bush's first visit to India.

The incident has also caused embarrassment at the highest reaches of the American scientific establishment, which has worked to get the State Department to issue a visa to Goverdhan Mehta, who said the U.S. consulate in the south Indian city of Chennai told him that his expertise in chemistry was deemed a threat.

Mehta said in a written account obtained by The Washington Post that he was humiliated, accused of "hiding things" and being dishonest, and told that his work is dangerous because of its potential applications in chemical warfare. ...Mehta denied that his work has anything to do with weapons. He said that he would provide his passport if a visa were issued, but that he would do nothing further to obtain the document: "If they don't want to give me a visa, so be it." ...The scientist told Indian newspapers that his dealing with the U.S. consulate was "the most degrading experience of my life." Mehta is president of the International Council for Science, a Paris-based organization comprising the national scientific academies of a number of countries. The council advocates that scientists should have free access to one another.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Return of science and not political activisim. Science has been corrupted by the liberal agenda for 40 years now. It's time science return to science. If a radical enviro wants to save the wetlands then go save the wetlands. Just don't do it on MY tax dollars.

Science should not include any politcal action, just science.

The utlra left has ruined academia, get politic out of the classrooms.....

You just got my vote for way above. Good point and all too correct.

[edit on 24/2/06 by OneGodJesus]

Hmmm.

Water flows. Polluted water flows. Large rivers are fed by smaller tributaries. If the tributaries are polluted, the larger river will be polluted.

Nobody needs to be a scientist to get this one. And it ain't about liberals and conservatives.




Monsanto and the pollution of Anniston, Alabama

In the Washington Post article (Jan 1, 2002) "Monsanto Hid Decades Of Pollution PCBs Drenched Ala. Town, But No One Was Ever Told" a grim story of Monsanto's treacherous behavior in Anniston Alabama was revealed. It is summed up in this chilling paragraph: "They also know that for nearly 40 years, while producing the now-banned industrial coolants known as PCBs at a local factory, Monsanto Co. routinely discharged toxic waste into a west Anniston creek and dumped millions of pounds of PCBs into oozing open-pit landfills. And thousands of pages of Monsanto documents -- many emblazoned with warnings such as "CONFIDENTIAL: Read and Destroy" -- show that for decades, the corporate giant concealed what it did and what it knew." [1] (www.commondreams.org...) [2] (www.chemicalindustryarchives.org...)

"In 1966, Monsanto managers discovered that fish submerged in that creek turned belly-up within 10 seconds, spurting blood and shedding skin as if dunked into boiling water. They told no one."

"Sylvester Harris, 63, an undertaker who lived across the street from the plant, said he always thought he was burying too many young children. 'I knew something was wrong around here,'

Also see: www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have no idea how I missed this thread....

*bows to soficrow*

Well done!

I have been following this subject for some time. Yes, this is now occurring in ALL of the scientific disciplines. It is outrageous beyond belief.

Keep at it, Soficrow. Spread the word on where the true "junk" science is coming from!

I have been a member of this sight for years now. I have read so many so-called conspiracies that go nowhere, but this is different, this is real. I have a million things I want to say about this but only one I will comment on. US scientists are not allowed to go to international conventions and vice versa, if this is true I just want to know what is really going on?

Here are the links...
independant researchers are looking closely at a possible "tipping point" that will put us into a feedback loop of climate change.

all because of Methane.

The first article give the hypothesis...
the second gives the statistics that show, that we have had a huge influx of, First CO2, then Methane (as the co2 warms the atmosphere), which in turn puts us into a "hyper" global greenhouse situation...

Sounds great doesn't it... like a ewok dream come true...
except only ewoks can live with high c02 concentrations and high methane concentrations (and lower oxygen concentrations).

methane based global warming
and
CO2 and methane have boomed in the last decade, much less last century

This is no surprise to me. I follow a case of the government cheating Indian beneficiaries of $40,000,000,000 over a 125 year period. The beneficiaries ,numbering 500,000 now, can't get the government to stop lying, cheating, distorting facts, burning documents, commiting contempt of court, using the media to smear the plaintiffs, being beligerant in everyway.

Who's behind it Secretary Norton and President Bush!

Cobell vs. Norton

If this is Actually true I will say this is Very Disturbing I am a Republican Myself But I do not think ANYAdministration has the right to Censor Science IF the Science is not flawed and is not Conjecture If man is to survive on this planet we have to work [color=#FF0000]TOGETHER to save it not fight for the last dime till the END OF THE WORLD.....AKA when your DEAD [color=#009900]MONEY Does not mean a DAMED THING.....

I have noticed an apparently "de facto" silencing that scientist I know of seem to be facing. The estuary system and the offshore fisheries in my area appear to be in declining health, fish populations are dropping, the clam and scallop population has declined significantly, almost all the local dolphins have tumors that visible near the fins, and among many other things the diesel burning power plants on the estaury get away with massive fish kills and other things because they are grandfathered and dont have to obey the now old EPA standards. I know of people with PHDs who have idenified many problems with possible solutions and they are just ignored by the government. NOAA and other government funded departments who have in the past done wonders with research and finding solutions have recieved huge budget cutbacks in enviromental research and protection. The last resort is private funding but they seem more set on destroying the enviroment for a short term fincancial gain rather than preserving it for future generations.

Here are some links that go along with my post:
RESEARCHERS FIND ALARMING SPREAD OF DISEASE IN INDIAN RIVER LAGOON DOLPHINS

www.epa.gov...

www.evergladesplan.org... _north/073003_irl_n_probs_opps.pdf





[edit on 27-2-2006 by jrod]

Interesting stuff jrod. Thanks.

FYI - cancer rates are rising in humans big time around the world - and in other species too. Here are a few references I pulled quickly on the St. Lawrence.

A population of approximately 650 beluga (Delphinapterus leucas) inhabits a short segment of the St. Lawrence estuary (SLE). Over 17 years (1983-1999), we have examined 129 (or 49%) of 263 SLE beluga carcasses reported stranded.

We observed cancer in 27% of examined adult animals found dead, a percentage similar to that found in humans. The estimated annual rate (AR) of all cancer types (163/100,000 animals) is much higher than that reported for any other population of cetacean and is similar to that of humans and to that of hospitalized cats and cattle. The AR of cancer of the proximal intestine, a minimum figure of 63 per 100,000 animals, is much higher than that observed in domestic animals and humans, except in sheep in certain parts of the world, where environmental contaminants are believed to be involved in the etiology of this condition. SLE beluga and their environment are contaminated by polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) produced by the local aluminum smelters. The human population living in proximity of the SLE beluga habitat is affected by rates of cancer higher than those found in people in the rest of Québec and Canada, and some of these cancers have been epidemiologically related to PAHs. Considered with the above observations, the exposure of SLE beluga to PAHs and their contamination by these compounds are consistent with the hypothesis that PAHs are involved in the etiology of cancer in these animals.

Cancer in Wildlife, a Case Study: Beluga from the St. Lawrence Estuary, Québec, Canada PMID: 11882480

Also see: New Scientist

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Contaminant analysis of organochlorine contaminants in blubber samples from Blue Whales: It is now known that the combination of the long persistence and short and long term toxicity of these contaminants are of great biological and ecological significance--the very persistent and stable nature of organochlorines have become central and lasting problems associated with modern industrialization. Serious health effects including the promotion of cancer, and reduced reproductive success have additionally been associated with these contaminants.

The previously unimagined global accumulation and disposition of contaminants in the environment has become a problem of great urgency. In our efforts to ensure that we reduce both the effects of previous disturbances and the frequency and severity of future discharges, it is necessary to understand precisely what is being released, and whether or not it will have an impact on the environment.To vigourously pursue the regulation of discharges of hazardous substances, and the study of their environmental fate is therefore urgent; equally as important, is the study of the toxicity of such discharged substances, and the dynamics of their accumulation in trophic structures and in particular organisms and tissues.

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Environmental degradation has no boundaries, no borders, no ethnicity, no choices on who is impacted; the general public, even those with high political profiles are impacted; sooner or later we all suffer the same fate.

An elder and very learned historian of Kahnawake in the Mohawk Nation, Mr. Stuart Phillips, talks about Pollution and the St. Lawrence River

This site used to have great research - but it's looks like it may have been edited for tourists. Haven't gone through it but my old links to good articles are dead.
Whales Online