Iowa set to ban abortions after six weeks

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: UKTruth

No one is suggesting we kill them.

Just abandon them. Aren't you the bastion of moral platitudes!

It's not difficult - ending a life is not even remotely similar to deporting an illegal alien.
The comparison is absurd.

The fact you see the welfare of a LIVING CHILD as absurd - - says it all.

Choosing a clump of cells - - not hungry, not in pain, not wondering if it will have a roof over its head tomorrow - - over a real life LIVING CHILD - - says a lot about YOU.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: UKTruth

No one is suggesting we kill them.

Just abandon them. Aren't you the bastion of moral platitudes!

It's not difficult - ending a life is not even remotely similar to deporting an illegal alien.
The comparison is absurd.

The fact you see the welfare of a LIVING CHILD as absurd - - says it all.

Choosing a clump of cells - - not hungry, not in pain, not wondering if it will have a roof over its head tomorrow - - over a real life LIVING CHILD - - says a lot about YOU.

Well now, I didn't say that the welfare of a child is absurd, I said comparing ending a life to the deportation of an illegal alien was absurd. But, way to go with the dishonest tactic.

As for what things say about me, well at least I can say I never took a life. There's always that.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bone75

should a parent be able to force a nine year old child to endure any lifesaving medical treatment? if the parent chooses to with hold such treatment from the child, what usually happens?

So we agree that prepubescent pregnant girls would fall under my exception and I'm not the monster you're trying to make me out to be.

Good to know.

a reply to: UKTruth

having an abortion is like evicting an unwanted tenet or house guest from your home..
except that there is no way that the tenet could understand what an eviction notice is and there very well could be no way to safely move the tenet to a new home. and I do think that the laws kind of restrict abortion to the point where it requires this to happen when it's feasible... ie.. premature c-section.
there's another big difference by the way, a destructive tenet is just destroying your property.. a destructive fetus is destroying you body!!!

a reply to: Bone75
so, just when did you come up with this exception, since you seem to have started you comments in this thread mainly against all the exceptions that were given under this bill... especially the one concerning rape and incest.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

having an abortion is like evicting an unwanted tenet or house guest from your home..
except that there is no way that the tenet could understand what an eviction notice is and there very well could be no way to safely move the tenet to a new home. and I do think that the laws kind of restrict abortion to the point where it requires this to happen when it's feasible... ie.. premature c-section.
there's another big difference by the way, a destructive tenet is just destroying your property.. a destructive fetus is destroying you body!!!

No, it's like killing an unwanted house guest.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bone75
so, just when did you come up with this exception, since you seem to have started you comments in this thread mainly against all the exceptions that were given under this bill... especially the one concerning rape and incest.

That's always been my only exception. My post history is an open book.

*** To clarify, the OP said "the mother's health" which is a much broader concept that includes mental health, and if that's how it's worded in the bill, then this bill is literally worthless.

a reply to: UKTruth

but you do agree that the property owner should have the right to evict the destructive tenet, right??
what more valuable property do you own than your own body??
I'm not sure that the fact that the tenet can't safely be removed and transferred and still live negates the right to eviction. I mean, haven't there been cases where the cops came to remove the tenet and well the tenet refused and ended up being killed fighting back? or people being found frozen to death on the street after eviction.

originally posted by: dawnstar

what more valuable property do you own than your own body??

You haven't seen my body...

a reply to: Bone75

so, you would be okay with a nine year old living the rest of their life with permanent damage caused by her pregnancy??
and, well, we will just leave her mental health after enduring nine months of pregnancy, child birth, and then having the baby removed from her care on the sideline...
the catholic hospitals kind of run on similar policies as what you seem to want...
no intervention unless the mother's life is at risk or the heartbeat stops.
so, they will let a tubal pregnancy go till it's about to burst and then rush her into the operating room and start slicing her up. or send away a women who is miscarrying without much help, till either the fetus dies or she develops an infection and can say with certainty that if they didn't do the abortion, her life would be in peril...
that isn't healthcare!! that's torture! insane, senseless, pain and suffering, often times with long lasting effects... for absolutely nothing in many cases... because well, the fetus is doomed, especially when it involves an ectopic pregnancy!

so, no, there should most certainly be consideration for the mother's health, mental included. since waiting around for a condition to worsen till it is risking death isn't in the least bit healthcare!!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bone75

so, you would be okay with a nine year old living the rest of their life with permanent damage caused by her pregnancy??

I'm seriously not reading another word of this post until you go back and reread everything I've said and tell me yourself where you got lost.

I think it's where you say there should be an exception when it comes to a risk to a women's life, but then dismiss it when it comes to a risk to her health....
which, if you were to read the rest of my post, you would see why I see a difference in those two statements.

originally posted by: Annee

It was NOT a child.

You're right.

I'm sorry your fetus died.

Infant would have been the next stage in that little human's life.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bone75

so, you would be okay with a nine year old living the rest of their life with permanent damage caused by her pregnancy??

For God's sake no... I would make her have an abortion. So would you.

the catholic hospitals kind of run on similar policies as what you seem to want...

Kind of?

Similar?

Seem?

All in one sentence... seriously?

Well they don't, so please don't come with that dramaporn that I'm glad I didn't read the first time.

a reply to: Bone75
So then what you're saying in a roundabout way is that your personal feelings & point of view aren't valid in someone else's choice being made.

Your feelings have no bearing on anything outside your own control. Period. You can agree to that much, correct? it doesn't matter how much you dislike abortion, it's still not your choice to make for someone. Raped or not.

originally posted by: Nyiah

Your feelings have no bearing on anything outside your own control. Period. You can agree to that much, correct?

No I can't. I'm an American citizen with the right to vote... feelings and all... whether you like it or not.

a reply to: Bone75

You can vote on abortion and express your feelings through politics, but women will still obtain abortions if they want to.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: Bone75

You can vote on abortion and express your feelings through politics, but women will still obtain abortions if they want to.

Yeah we should go ahead and make rape legal too huh?

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Bone75

A fetus is a group of cells with potential to become a LIVING human.

It is NOT a living human.

I can attest to that because I pullled my 4th month spontaneous aborted fetus out of the toilet.

It was NOT a LIVING CHILD.

Is this what your group of cells looked like? That must've been very traumatic.

a reply to: Bone75

Rape and abortion aren't even on the same page.