can america win their first ever war with iran ??

a reply to: yuppa

No the Iranian air war and subsequent destruction of Irans air defense network would be a turkey shoot.

Boots on the ground, however, will be a whole other matter as any infinitary we field won't enjoy the luxury of Tank/APC support in the same manner as Iraq/Kuwait just down to the terrain.

Then there is the fact that they will be fighting in unfamiliar territory, temperature, and the enemy will employ Guerrilla warfare tactics.

Basically another Vietnam.

a reply to: Whoisjohngalt


You basically explained Team Americas method. The reason that worked with Libya was because Russia did not do anything about it. The method worked in Syria until Russia steped up.

Do you think Russia will stand by and let Team US..A mess up Iran. Dont think so.

If you have not noticed Team US is done. It have lost all its authority to spread its pathetic lies about democracy.

THe US have no more say in what take splace in Syria. They bombed the chemical factory they claimed was active. They have used their chemical card.
The next thing you will see are soldiers from team USA running for their lives out of the northern part of Syria. Russia will show no more mercy....

Since team US are there illigaly they cant go crying to the UN when they are being bombed.

ANd by the way...

The day after team USA struck Syria last with missiles. Russia demonstrated by sinking a patrol boat as a warning. That was done right in team USA face in the Meds.

a reply to: SATURN66

Your avatar is scary to me.
It reminds me of an ex-girlfriend,

originally posted by: [post=23373815]jumanji

911 was not false flag. No president dares to risk such an operation. Too much political risk.

The president wasn't informed about the deep states actions, G W is too thick to be trusted with anything more than a packet of potato chips. that idiot couldn't even handle a pretzel. You do not allow retards to get involved in subterfuge on this level, it would never get off the ground and not due to moralistic reasons, just cognitive ones. G W is an idiot. Always was, always will be,

guys i want to share this with you, please do not reply/respond/belittle anyone till you actually watch the who thing, its only 7 mins long

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a reply to: SATURN66

Interesting watch, and yes of course it is strategically challenging for Russia since losing their puppet states, but I've got friends from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Czech who will all give a different opinion about being ruled by Russia.
I don't see Putin's problem though, don't invade Latvia, Estonia etc and NATO will leave you alone. That ain't rocket surgery.

One of the reasons America has failed at nation building over the last 50 years has been their refusal to resettle conquered populations in "reservations".

It worked with the plains Indians

UK took that technique and polished it during the boer wars.

US could have totally controlled Afghanistan if they said simply, everyone who is not an insurgent move to one of five designated cities. Anyone in the hills next year will be a de facto combatant and will be killed on sight. Taliban would be extinct as a fighting force I n 90 days.

Same in Vietnam. The us military began successfully implementing that policy in 1965-66, but liberal US leadership discontinued the policy as "inhumane."

Same in Iraq. US military tried to keep tribal leaders in place. Any Empire knows you kill all the existing leadership and resettle their community in an alien area where they have no network of allies. Empires have been doing it since Xerxes. See the book of Daniel for a first person account of this.

A goal-oriented conquerer would use e ethnic tensions in Iraq to do this, or let it collapse like Somalia. Historically, this was done to Germany in the late Middle Ages. Until 1870, there was no Germany. There were "The Germanies", up to 30 principalities whoring themselves out to France Austria or the pope. Same with Italy.

If America was willing to conquer, it would also win. Quickly.

Nope. Iranians don't welcome Americans. Unless Americans deploy millions of soldiers, not gonna work.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: SATURN66
i think if Hitler had not killed those 6 million Jews the history books would have painted him in a different light

I think EU would be speaking German today if he did. They would most likely have had the atomic bomb long before anyone else.

Possibly. Ze Germans discovered nuclear fission after all. And they did that in 1938 before WW2 started.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: tovenar but liberal US leadership discontinued the policy as "inhumane."

If America was willing to conquer, it would also win. Quickly.

Exactly The thing that defeats western military action is not having the balls to wage proper war. Third world # holes like Iran are easy meat for any civilized state as long they don't let the liberals hold them back. The resettlement plan for Iranians is actually a very workable idea. Hey what about making the carcass of Iran the 51st state and letting loads of eastern Europeans settle the place as they are really leaving for other countries. Relocate Iranians to Pakistan and India where they actually belong

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Whoisjohngalt


You basically explained Team Americas method. The reason that worked with Libya was because Russia did not do anything about it. The method worked in Syria until Russia steped up.

Do you think Russia will stand by and let Team US..A mess up Iran. Dont think so.

If you have not noticed Team US is done. It have lost all its authority to spread its pathetic lies about democracy.

THe US have no more say in what take splace in Syria. They bombed the chemical factory they claimed was active. They have used their chemical card.
The next thing you will see are soldiers from team USA running for their lives out of the northern part of Syria. Russia will show no more mercy....

Since team US are there illigaly they cant go crying to the UN when they are being bombed.

ANd by the way...

The day after team USA struck Syria last with missiles. Russia demonstrated by sinking a patrol boat as a warning. That was done right in team USA face in the Meds.

Not Americas playbook. THE PLAYBOOK! what your seemingly beloved russia did when they fomented unrest among the "ethnic russians" in georgia and Ukraine. There are no "good guys" in this world buddy

watch this for a lighter take on this thread..

10 Times the United States Was Almost Invaded

www.youtube.com...

some will like this
some will hate this
and some will say is BS

but its history

originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Whoisjohngalt


You basically explained Team Americas method. The reason that worked with Libya was because Russia did not do anything about it. The method worked in Syria until Russia steped up.

Do you think Russia will stand by and let Team US..A mess up Iran. Dont think so.

If you have not noticed Team US is done. It have lost all its authority to spread its pathetic lies about democracy.

THe US have no more say in what take splace in Syria. They bombed the chemical factory they claimed was active. They have used their chemical card.
The next thing you will see are soldiers from team USA running for their lives out of the northern part of Syria. Russia will show no more mercy....

Since team US are there illigaly they cant go crying to the UN when they are being bombed.

ANd by the way...

The day after team USA struck Syria last with missiles. Russia demonstrated by sinking a patrol boat as a warning. That was done right in team USA face in the Meds.

Not Americas playbook. THE PLAYBOOK! what your seemingly beloved russia did when they fomented unrest among the "ethnic russians" in georgia and Ukraine. There are no "good guys" in this world buddy

Yeah man. I mean, if those millions of ethnic Russians in Ukraine want to speak Russia, can go to Russian, Russia is that way. Ukraine and Russia are ethnic states meant only for people of Ukrainian and Russian ethnicities, respectively.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

No the Iranian air war and subsequent destruction of Irans air defense network would be a turkey shoot.

Boots on the ground, however, will be a whole other matter as any infinitary we field won't enjoy the luxury of Tank/APC support in the same manner as Iraq/Kuwait just down to the terrain.

Then there is the fact that they will be fighting in unfamiliar territory, temperature, and the enemy will employ Guerrilla warfare tactics.

Basically another Vietnam.

You assume we would march in troops. we woudnt. We destroy their ability to clothe feed and water their people you will see a surrender soon after o r overthrow due to their people dying and starving to death. We destroy their Oil production,gas production and electricity production as well. Vietnam was a lesson and just keeping them without necessities will suffice.

a reply to: yuppa

21st century siege warfare. Still the easiest way to win, but like I said earlier all we have to do is either fly cargo jets over head and drop MOABs of just raw goods, either way the US could blanket Iran to the point of non functionality.


We call up Russia, and tell them the oil fields are theirs afterwards, and bang no more allies for Iran. simple simple

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

No the Iranian air war and subsequent destruction of Irans air defense network would be a turkey shoot.

Boots on the ground, however, will be a whole other matter as any infinitary we field won't enjoy the luxury of Tank/APC support in the same manner as Iraq/Kuwait just down to the terrain.

Then there is the fact that they will be fighting in unfamiliar territory, temperature, and the enemy will employ Guerrilla warfare tactics.

Basically another Vietnam.

You assume we would march in troops. we woudnt. We destroy their ability to clothe feed and water their people you will see a surrender soon after o r overthrow due to their people dying and starving to death. We destroy their Oil production,gas production and electricity production as well. Vietnam was a lesson and just keeping them without necessities will suffice.

your logic doe does not make sense
1.you say destroy their oil America is only attacking Iran for their oil fields and minerals
2. you would destroy their water and food ability, these people live off the land so you would have to carpet bomb the whole of Iran just to achieve this, they do not live like the western society they don't live of KFC and mac donalds, so i wish you luck with that one
3.as for electric most of Iranians can live in caves and deserts for years without relying on electric so that would be a waste of bombs
4. if you think you can do what you have done in Vietnam to Iran that would never happen because the whole Arab nation plus Russia and China would unite behind Iran and i think half the un countries would aswell

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: yuppa

21st century siege warfare. Still the easiest way to win, but like I said earlier all we have to do is either fly cargo jets over head and drop MOABs of just raw goods, either way the US could blanket Iran to the point of non functionality.


We call up Russia, and tell them the oil fields are theirs afterwards, and bang no more allies for Iran. simple simple

working on your logic why are you still fighting in Iraq 20 years on

a reply to: SATURN66


As I stated before it's because we are stuck having to do nation building. If we didn't have to sit there and deal with that the whole mess could have been over and done with years ago. We had world leaders that were more concerned about image then winning, now the US has a leader that is more concerned about winning then image. That's why the world is changing it's tune with the US.

Don't worry though how's England doing these days?

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: SATURN66


As I stated before it's because we are stuck having to do nation building. If we didn't have to sit there and deal with that the whole mess could have been over and done with years ago. We had world leaders that were more concerned about image then winning, now the US has a leader that is more concerned about winning then image. That's why the world is changing it's tune with the US.

Don't worry though how's England doing these days?

wow you are classing trump as a butcher who is gonna allow that to happen i don't think so somehow and if he did us would be on there own because the un and Nato would not help

as for England we are doing fine as 70% of you yanks flock over here every year