Invaded via the back door, then a London Mayor and now a Home Secretary. Next a PM. WTF?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

What, other than his name, has given you any indication that he is a practicing Muslim?

His fee-fees. His boring, angsty feelings.

Get the F* over it! Grow a pair of and stop being full of fear! You do not want some religion to lead your country? WELL, SUPPORT THE DIVISION OF CHURCH AND GOVERNMENT!

a reply to: nwtrucker

Ok smart guy. Why should we fear Muslims then? Stop commenting on possibilities and your fears and produce some credible evidence that suggest we should be concerned about Muslims. Just because people agree with the OP doesn't make him correct either. That is a bandwagon fallacy.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

But he's not Pakistani. He was born in the UK. He has also stated that he doesn't follow any religion.

So like I asked, what, other than his name, would suggest that he's a practicing Muslim?

Well, an article from the Gaurdian saying he is Muslim doesn’t help.

Who is Savid Javid

Born in Rochdale in 1969, like the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, he is a Muslim son of a bus driver who has risen to the top of British politics.

Or the article from the BBC,

Who is Savid Javid

Their four children are privately educated: "We do what's best for them," Mr Javid, who has described himself as a non-practising Muslim, told the newspaper.

They must be racist.

a reply to: nwtrucker

One 'could' also ask why he was put in that position knowing there'd be push-back?

Because after the Windrush saga which resulted in the demise of the previous Home Secretary it looks good to appoint an Asian as Home Secretary to show the Tories aren't racist ... perhaps.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Somehow i don't see that being allowed to happen as it would clearly be a step backward towards our Christian religious orientated days gone by, just in another flavor.

Then again history does have a penchant for repetition.

Most Muslims that live in the U.K are rather liberal by comparison to the die-hard fanatics that wish to see a return to what amounts to a 17th century Caliphate, truth is that why they live here.

I used to go drinking with a few back in my college days, they are no different from any others really.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: nwtrucker

Ahh, in this case he's nether Muslim or foreign, the Tory press are just pretending he is now to seem inclusive (the party has a long history of being racist with the whole 'If you want a 'n-word' for a neighbour, vote labour' election slogans).

That could very well be....or not. There isn't any political appointment, including the U.S., that doesn't receive electron-microscope inspection, usually by the opposition. Yes? Minor points expanded to capital punishment level criticism.

Off the top, I'd guess that this appointment shows no interest within the current government in reversing the general direction of the U.K.. Whether that's a good thing or not is not my call. It's yours.

At the least, I doubt any country on earth surpasses the surveillance levels of it's citizens than the U.K.. Yet another two-edged sword to consider. It is hard to argue that the current controls and regulations weren't considerably less than prior to large Muslim immigration. No, not the immigrant's fault, per say, Yet is it all coincidental or a long term strategy?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Since they're not using Muslim in a pejorative way (unlike the OP) I would say that they're not racist. That said, they're still wrong.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

You are blind as well as stupid if you believe he isn't a closet Muslim!

So because I come from a Christian heritage I must be a closet Christian ? , not sure that follows.

Stupid is as stupid does.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: nwtrucker

Somehow i don't see that being allowed to happen as it would clearly be a step backward towards our Christian religious orientated days gone by, just in another flavor.

Then again history does have a penchant for repetition.

Most Muslims that live in the U.K are rather liberal by comparison to the die-hard fanatics that wish to see a return to what amounts to a 17th century Caliphate, truth is that why they live here.

I used to go drinking with a few back in my college days, they are no different from any others really.

Yet the view of many is that it is happening. Albeit slowly as it must have occurred with Christianity, Some use Christianity as a 'precedence' and say/use that as a means to shrug it off. Others, myself included to a degree, see that history as a lesson not to be repeated.

I have similar experiences in North America with individual Muslims.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I have similar experiences in North America with individual Muslims.

It isn't happening in North America either.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Sad Sad Days. Foreigners in our own country!

My Armour is on!

Crusade number 5 then, do you deus vult? Does your armor have a red cross on the tabard?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

Ok smart guy. Why should we fear Muslims then? Stop commenting on possibilities and your fears and produce some credible evidence that suggest we should be concerned about Muslims. Just because people agree with the OP doesn't make him correct either. That is a bandwagon fallacy.

The evidence is out there. Even historical evidence. I would modify your post in that it isn't 'Muslims', per say, to be wary of, it Islam, itself.

The 'group', not the individual, directly. Ironic in that it's individuals that provide the evidence.

You are perfectly aware of the evidence-which you've already made your mind up on- so I am 'smart' enough not to waste my time playing your game and regurgitating the evidence.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: nwtrucker

One 'could' also ask why he was put in that position knowing there'd be push-back?

Because after the Windrush saga which resulted in the demise of the previous Home Secretary it looks good to appoint an Asian as Home Secretary to show the Tories aren't racist ... perhaps.

Good point.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I have similar experiences in North America with individual Muslims.

It isn't happening in North America either.

LMAO. I was referring sitting down and have a beer with Muslims. You wanker.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
The evidence is out there. Even historical evidence. I would modify your post in that it isn't 'Muslims', per say, to be wary of, it Islam, itself.

*YAWN* Alright Fox Mulder, if it is out there, then go out there and get it. Then come back and make an argument using it instead of telling others to do your work for you.

The 'group', not the individual, directly. Ironic in that it's individuals that provide the evidence.

I work with a lot of Muslims. I've met many many Muslims that are perfectly fine with living in our Democracy. I'd say my anecdotes cancel out your anecdotes. So you are going to need more than just your personal experiences (or rather the stuff you read in your media echo chamber) like statistics to back yourself up.

You are perfectly aware of the evidence-which you've already made your mind up on- so I am 'smart' enough not to waste my time playing your game and regurgitating the evidence.

I'm aware of idiotic anecdotes being used to describe an entire population, but I don't follow weak logical fallacies like that. I happen to notice FAR more domestic terrorism from native born, white bred people than Muslims. Statistics bares out this too.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I have similar experiences in North America with individual Muslims.

It isn't happening in North America either.

LMAO. I was referring sitting down and have a beer with Muslims. You wanker.

I've eaten pork products with a Muslim from Iran. We'd hit up Pizza Hut all the time for lunch and he'd get pepperoni, sausage, ham and other meat pizzas all the time.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

You think he’s a Muslim and there’s an “invasion” because of the colour of a BRITISH persons skin.

Again “aaaaaaaaah! Brown people!”

a reply to: TerryDon79

Islam/muslim is not a f ** ing race many people from different country's are muslim! so is isn't racist to call them out or call them anything one wants! they just aren't compatible with western culture!!

a reply to: TimHeller

Semantics. Xenophobic or racist. He's still spewing ignorance derived from irrational hatred.

The weakest defense of bigotry one can make is trying to discredit a racist call by saying, "well technically XYZ isn't a race" like that immediately makes everything the intolerant one just said ok or something...

PS: Muslims have been living in "Western Culture" since around 711 AD. It's a pretty dumb argument to say the Muslim religion isn't compatible based on immigrants who aren't used to the way things are done in the West when other Muslims have been in the West for centuries and been just fine.

a reply to: TimHeller

I never said Islam or Muslim are races, but racist is the best fitting word we have to describe the OP and his “aaaaaah! Brown people!” mentality.