The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

neutronflux Again you denying evidence like NIST they know of no eyewitness who saw molten steel. Yet the lead engineer of the Twin Tower witnessed it and not the only one. NIST has no credibility. You hear Leslie Robertson own words on this video he saw molten steel.

originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Again you denying evidence like NIST they know of no eyewitness who saw molten steel. Yet the lead engineer of the Twin Tower witnessed it and not the only one. NIST has no credibility. You hear Leslie Robertson own words on this video he saw molten steel.

Does the quoted engineer believe in fire related collapse? Then I guess you should believe him.

Again, show where the thermal imaging you keep invoking ever showed hotspots at which thermite burns.


How would anyone know it was molten steel. Again there would be nothing pure of one molten element? Especially when the towers contained numerous materials with lower melting points. Plastics, lead, copper, aluminum, silver/solder?

Now, So you cannot point to any video evidence why thermite should be taken seriously? From all the video of the collapsing towers? Thermite is a joke.

Show one picture from all the pictures of the WTC rubble that showed melted steel columns, or thermite cuts.

How would inconstant burning thermite be set up in a sophisticated top down split timed fantasy CD and still maintain its integrity required for the degree of sophistication after the jet impacts and fires? And not one piece of video evidence of a cut column on the numerous outer vertical columns from a CD the truth movement claims had to remove the resistance of every floor! From thermite that would require two to three minutes to cut through if the thermite could even achieve a cutting velocity? Thermite does not pressure away the molten steel like a blow torch.

On top of your bkantant falsehoods that Harrit specifical tested for active thermite and the steel was shippped off without being documented, samples, and analyzed.

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Would you like to transcribe the video into an quote?

neutronflux

I don't know and don't care if he does. He made that statement in 2002. before the 9/11 truth movement started, What he said then during that time is more relevant, as there was no talk, of demolition buildings in 2002. He recalled an experience of his on-site at WTC truthfully.

You have the quote and person background on this if you don't believe me contact him.
Again, show where the thermal imaging you keep invoking ever showed hotspots at which thermite burns.

I think people with a background in engineering construction, building design are more credible than you. First off they were there they saw. Again you have no reason to doubt them, your objection is based on defending NIST investigation no matter what.

Maybe you not aware but FEMA confirmed a corrosion attack on the steel, they found evidence the steel was liquefied ( which means it turned into a liquid) they have no clue what caused it and said it needed further study. They had two samples that puzzled them.

This group discussed this, it's a mainstream non-conspiratory site.

web.wpi.edu...

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You were asking about this a couple of days ago, found these on my computer. They are from 4 or 5 years ago.

From what what I remember, this is a computer simulation of the ingredients of the Leclede paint.




The vertical scale was different from the Jones/Harrit read outs so it was squeezed down to match and compared in this photo.



If you are interested you can do a reverse image search to find the origins. To me the thermite debate is so ridicules it's kind of boring.

originally posted by: Jesushere

FEMA confirmed a corrosion attack on the steel,

Corrosion and melting are 2 different things.

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Then if the individual believes in fire related collapse, we should believe? Can you cite he believes otherwise?

Why don’t you provide the actual quote and the context?

Can you answer the question. How would anyone know it was molten steel especially in the context there would not be pure molten anything. Anything molten would contain a mixture of ash, smoldering junk, plastics, lead, copper, aluminum, silver/solder. Is that a false statement.

You are the one invoking thermal imaging, can you cite evidence of hotspots of thermite burning? Your own narrative disproves your fantasy.

Maybe you not aware but FEMA confirmed a corrosion attack on the steel, they found evidence the steel was liquefied ( which means it turned into a liquid) they have no clue what caused it and said it needed further study. They had two samples that puzzled them.

Mystery? One, there is no mystery of trapped smoldering flammable materials acting like a charcoal oven.

Two, there is no mystery about the environment that caused the corrosion attack’s. Steel encased in a smoldering hot pile that contained chlorides from plastics and sulfur from dry wall in a wet environment.

Three, steel combining with chemicals under conditions that accelerate corrosion to form new compounds is not liquid steel. Iron sulfate has a melting point of 1260 Fahrenheit. Iron chlorine has a melting point of 590 Fahrenheit.

Any more false arguments?

By the way, steel right at the melting point is white? Any descriptions or video of white hot steel?

And you still need to address:

So you cannot point to any video evidence why thermite should be taken seriously? From all the video of the collapsing towers? Thermite is a joke.

Show one picture from all the pictures of the WTC rubble that showed melted steel columns, or thermite cuts.

How would inconstant burning thermite be set up in a sophisticated top down split timed fantasy CD and still maintain its integrity required for the degree of sophistication after the jet impacts and fires? And not one piece of video evidence of a cut column on the numerous outer vertical columns from a CD the truth movement claims had to remove the resistance of every floor! From thermite that would require two to three minutes to cut through if the thermite could even achieve a cutting velocity? Thermite does not pressure away the molten steel like a blow torch.

On top of your blatant falsehoods that Harrit specifical tested for active thermite and the steel was shippped off without being documented, sampled, and analyzed.

waypastvne Corrosion and melting are 2 different things.

Yes that's true but what happened during the corrosion process, the steel liquified. Steel could be cracking and breaking and over time it just melts and pours off.

What could have caused that naturally? NIST temp around the steel at 4pm was 200c least where they claim the steel beam came off its seat at column 79.

originally posted by: Jesushere


What could have caused that naturally?

Sulphuric acid from UPS batteries.

Two, there is no mystery about the environment that caused the corrosion attack’s. Steel encased in a smoldering hot pile that contained chlorides from plastics and sulfur from dry wall in a wet environment.

neutronflux the columns are not near dry walls they are attached to concrete floors. They're no evidence steel made any contact with sulphur. The mobility of the sulphur and how it got on the steel is curious.

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Yes that's true but what happened during the corrosion process, the steel liquified

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Steel that is corroded is not steel, it’s an iron compound. It turns to iron oxide, iron sulfite, iron sulfate for example. Depending on the type of corrosion or chemical attack. Or more complicated compounds all with different melting points.

Steel could be cracking and breaking and over time it just melts and pours off.

. Scaling? Corrosion stress cracking? Iron compounds with lower melting points?

What could have caused that naturally?

Heat and moisture accelerate corrosion?

NIST temp around the steel at 4pm was 200c least where they claim the steel beam came off its seat at column 79.

How does this relate to corrosion?

There are at least two other studies that WTC 7 collapsed from fire related causes. At least one is a signed deposition as evidence in a court case?

How is AE’s bought WTC 7 evaluation coming along? When is that studies release date? Indefinite after missing two release dates?

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What are you talking about? It took up to three months to recover all material from the pile. Metal sitting in a smoldering oven being sprayed with water and wetted with rain? You think everything was recovered and examined next day?

I thought everything was just shipped off to China? Now you are talking about NIST recovering items for study? Would you like to contradict yourself some more?

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And you still need to address:

So you cannot point to any video evidence why thermite should be taken seriously? From all the video of the collapsing towers? Thermite is a joke.

Show one picture from all the pictures of the WTC rubble that showed melted steel columns, or thermite cuts.

How would inconstant burning thermite be set up in a sophisticated top down split timed fantasy CD and still maintain its integrity required for the degree of sophistication after the jet impacts and fires? And not one piece of video evidence of a cut column on the numerous outer vertical columns from a CD the truth movement claims had to remove the resistance of every floor! From thermite that would require two to three minutes to cut through if the thermite could even achieve a cutting velocity? Thermite does not pressure away the molten steel like a blow torch.

On top of your blatant falsehoods that Harrit specifical tested for active thermite and the steel was shippped off without being documented, sampled, and

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What could have caused that naturally? NIST temp around the steel at 4pm was 200c least where they claim the steel beam came off its seat at column 79.

Ok? Where is the evidence of a 4,000 degree Fahrenheit flame of thermite if you can cite that information? More contradictions by you?

neutronflux You have a memory problem I have answered all this already on this thread.

You got corroded steel. Thermite would do that to the steel. That exactly what you expect to see if thermite was used big holes in the steel and cracks. Harrit finding red/grey chips just more proof thermite was the cause.

You forgetting you need high temperatures to corrode steel and there no evidence of fires raging blazing fires above 400c at 4 pm. NIST said the heat around the steel beam on floor 13 was 200c so I expect that was normal on the rest of the floors with fires?

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Another one of your falsehoods, when you tried to argue the outer perimeter walls of the twin towers was something other than the outer vertical columns that carried 40 of the towers loading......,

neutronflux Ok? Where is the evidence of a 4,000 degree Fahrenheit flame of thermite if you can cite that information? More contradictions by you?

Why you still saying that when you know because I told you a number of times now Professor Harrit is claiming he found nano-thermite that ignited at low temps compared to standard thermite.

Twin Towers the heat in those buildings was likely higher if jet fuel ended up released inside the building.

WTC7 we have an idea what the temp was and FEMA steel samples are from there.

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You got corroded steel. Thermite would do that to the steel.

Another contradiction.

The reaction that is thermite.

Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3

No, thermite reaction makes elemental iron. Is that false?

Another contradiction. It wouldn’t make molten steel, but molten iron.

How would adding aluminum make iron chlorine, iron oxide, iron sulfate, iron sulfite?

You forgetting you need high temperatures to corrode steel

Another falsehood by you. Cars rust quite nicely at room temperature. Hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, sulfur, and salt all cause the corrosion of steel at room temperature.

Again, the WTC steel sat in a smoldering pile up to three months in the elements, sprayed with water, with acids from battery power backups, chlorides from plastics, and sulfur from the dry wall.

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Why you still saying that when you know because I told you a number of times now Professor Harrit is claiming he found nano-thermite that ignited at low temps compared to standard thermite.

One, he burnt off paint and primer with an oxygen atmosphere. What thermite has a red side and grey side. Thermite has to be uniformly mixed in correct ratios to burn correctly.

Two, he never conducted any analyses that took advantage of properties solely exclusive to thermite to prove or disprove active thermite. Like trying to burn his dust in an oxygen free atmosphere.

Three, he only found aluminum oxide which is not active thermite. He totally speculated elemental aluminum with no conducted analysis to prove there was free elemental aluminum to create a thermite reaction.

Four, nano thermite was pursued because it was theorized to be a more violent reaction, like an explosive that goes boom. Kinda kills the whole fizzle no flash narrative.

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And his “paper” was unethically peer reviewed in a pay to play journal. With out completing the discovery process. He claimed thermite because of an exothermic reaction that is the property of non-thermite and thermite reactions, and by speculation there was oxide free aluminum that could react.

Harrit never proved active thermite.