Judge rules New York City bar can refuse service to Trump supporter wearing MAGA hat

First time, long time.

The consensus here seems to be that the owner should have the right to serve whom ever he or she pleases.

So I ask, why all the fuss about the loiters in Starbucks?

a reply to: dawnstar

Were you for the baker or the customer? Both of these services were for entertainment, yet the judges ruled in opposition of each other. The judge in this case didn't rule that the suit wasn't merit based, but that they could refuse service in this manner if they so choose.

Are you referring to the church? Are you suggesting that those who serve us identity politics somehow act in a different manner?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

I don't trust free-range videos. Do you have a news story source for this?

I didn't ask you to trust it. But you'll ignore video evidence because you don't see it in print?

Having seen a lot of video that purports to be one thing but turns out to be a fib, yes. I would like to see it in print from a reputable source. Heck, I could grab a couple of friends and put up a video showing that Trump supporters here in Dallas were standing at the entrance to the Bush tollway and pointing guns at any cars with minorities... or worse.

So I'll ask again - is there a reputable source for this or is it just based on a video that someone put up on the Internet?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: TheJesuit

You think the government has the right to tell private business owners who they have to serve?

That's not a power I want the government to have.

How did you feel about the cake maker being forced to make cakes for gay weddings?

It does have that power. It was used to enforce desegregation, and more recently it was used to force businesses that sell liquor to refuse to sell more alcohol to someone who's visibly drunk and impaired.

a reply to: Byrd

But do you think that the government SHOULD have that power?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Byrd

But do you think that the government SHOULD have that power?

Yes, I think government should have power over business.
* stop them selling wood alcohol as real booze (the reason there's laws are because businesses DID sell cheaper wood alcohol ("rubbing alcohol") and harmed a lot of people
* enforce the law of the land (desegregation) - I remember many businesses that would not let Blacks or Hispanics through their doors.
* stop abusive practices (government regulation on farms and slaughterhouses and research labs, for instance)
* enforce the cultural norms of the community (you can't set up a surgical hack shop for people to come in and sell their kidneys)


... etc, etc, and so forth.


If you think unregulated business is a good idea, you really should spend some time reading legal cases from colonial times and see just how abusive and shady unregulated businesses could be.

a reply to: Byrd

Wait you can make booze from wood .

a reply to: scraedtosleep

You think the government has the right to tell private business owners who they have to serve?

Yeah. The Civil Rights Act.

Do you think a business should be able to legally discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc?

a reply to: TheLead

to be honest, in the bakery case, I really didin't care one way or the other...
but, yes, I am referring to religious groups..
is there any other group that will hold their "religious beliefs" up so high that they will endanger someone's life needlessly to preserve their self perceived moral integrity. have you seen some of the laws that the christian right have tried to get though state and federal gov'ts..
they want to deny services, regardless of how necessary they are from just about anyone they perceive to not be living their view of a holy and just life. don't want to rent to a gay couple, a single mom, a divorced women, whatever... hey just cry "religion" and you will be exempt, heck, they even want to receive the benefit of being involved in the hud and section 8 programs.

anyone who either provides services that are reimbursed by federal programs, or receives federal grants, ect... should be providing their services to all, and the services they provide should be as good as those who aren't "religious", following the same standards. and when it comes to healthcare providers, that would mean following the standards given by the AMA.. that isn't happening now, so before we go all crazy over one little bar in one city and a MAGA hat.... well... let's consider just what accommodations the religious right get now, in the name of religious freedom and realize that MAGA also means giving them much more accommodations in the future.
no employer can refuse to hire a christian because of their religion, but hey guess what, there are christian groups that can legally refuse to hire non christians!
women who find themselves in a religious oriented hospital might find that they are not being given the same standard of care as those in non-religious institutions, and they might find themselves being denied options that are the AMA standard care for their conditions.
every large employer in the country has to provide health insurance that includes birth control.... except that, if they claim "religion"... no, they don't have to.

and, they want more accommodations!!!

free license to discriminate and deny anybody, anything, they may feel is just not right... even if that denial increases the risk of death to someone, causes them more pain and suffering, or extends their hospital stay and increases their medical costs...

a reply to: testingtesting

only if you want to die young!!

Lol when's this civil war going to pop off can't wait

a reply to: Liquesence

Do you think a business should be able to legally discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc?

yes I do.

That also applies to african american owned business having the right NOT to sell to kkk members. Freedom.
That a business owned by a women has the right NOT to sell to rapists and pedophiles. Freedom

You guys sound like you would be happy if the government forced you to do business with your enemies and abusers. That's not freedom.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: TheJesuit

But a bakery can refuse to serve a gay couple.
That's just fine.

Except they didn't refuse to serve a gay couple. They declined to make a specific type of cake.

If people would look beyond the surface of that issue they'd realize that.

a reply to: TheJesuit

A bar can kick out anyone they want. Lumberjack with blue jeans or stupid guy with ugly cap applies.