Salisbury toxin results in - NOT Novichok, NOT Russian

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Porton Down publicly identified the agent as Novichok. According to the Russian ambassador to UK, PD identified the agent as A-234, a known Novichok variant. The OPCW confirmed PD's analysis.

Every public statement made identifies this agent as Novichok. This claim that the agent is completely new, which coincidentally enough is only coming from Russia's close ally Bulgaria, seems like another ploy to muddy the waters.

a reply to: tadaman

You're not American so knock it off. Your sentences are not constructed in a way an native American would write them. English is not my native language either. I might spell correct(everyone can today with auto correct) but I write sentences in a way I do when I write in my native language. And so do you.
No one is telling you to believe western MSM. But RT is just the other side of that coin. RT is Putins mouthpiece. A state financed TV channel that spews pro Russian propaganda. Western media is not state run, but they are financed by wealthy individuals who pay them to spew crap.

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

You're not American so knock it off. Your sentences are not constructed in a way an native American would write them. 

You cought me. I was raised in a KGB burner town modeled after a small US town out west. Tatooine, Arizona.

I was trained in the art of deception by my father, Darth Putin. No relation.

I was even able to fool members of ATS who met me in person in NYC, where I still pretend to live and hail from.

The dark skills that I posses are great. My comrade. I am the "Chosen-Soviet-one" that will bring order to the Soviet force and restore the fallen Soviet order, of which I am the last. Dont worry, I will return.

Beware, I am currently living in an old Russian bomber that crashed in the Arctic. I have found a sneaky midget that will further train me in the ways of the Soviets.

Soon I will return with enough cold winter hatred of the US to complete my nefarious plans.

I have so much ice that I am bringing. Soviet freeze my enemies with my ATS posting.Yes yes.

Vodka.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Said Bulgarian spoke on behalf of the EU, not on the behalf of Russia. And Bulgaria isn't really one of Vlads close allies, either.

The whole story is everything but new. Given OPCW's policy of secrecy we really don't need an Einstein to see where this is going, but our "state parties" involved seem to be the only ones in the known. And they sat on their intel for roughly one week now. Elitarian crap like this really keeps the conspiracy going, this is everything but a transparent investigation.

I think we've waited long enough and we deserve answers from those secret idiots on our fcking payroll.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
The whole story is everything but new. Given OPCW's policy of secrecy we really don't need an Einstein to see where this is going, but our "state parties" involved seem to be the only ones in the known. And they sat on their intel for roughly one week now.

The OPCW is built to be secret and answer to its members. The State Parties are the countries. Thing is, their whole approach is based on independence and transparency - to its members and not necessarily to the public. They have no role in apportioning blame, they just do the work around chemical weapons use and reduction.

Here you go

a reply to: paraphi

Said state parties are in the known for a while now and thus the useless secret idiots in my picture.

I was getting at a longstanding family tradition of political Bollocks. Russian Aggression 2.0, if you will. Justified or nor, politicized it is. And I'm not entirely sure that OPCW's policy of secrecy isn't part of the problem.

So yes, but no.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Its just as bad as Russia supporting an independent investigation into the use of chemical weapons but prohibiting the investigators from determining fault. Russia wanted that left to the security council, where any position not accepted by any one side gets vetoed, thereby creating a non ending loop, and by extension no one held accountable.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Everyone knows that Assad did this and we have the evidence to prove it..and we even attacked them based on our conclusive and undesputed evidence.... So Whats the probleme?


Who cares what russia claim, when all that matters is what we claime and have evidence of....

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Its just as bad as Russia supporting an independent investigation into the use of chemical weapons but prohibiting the investigators from determining fault. Russia wanted that left to the security council, where any position not accepted by any one side gets vetoed, thereby creating a non ending loop, and by extension no one held accountable.

It was not bad to deny the inspectors to the area after the bombing...

It was possibly a decision based on keeping the inspectors in good health.

We would not want them getting that gas on them or having the rebels shoot em.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcathdra

Everyone knows that Assad did this and we have the evidence to prove it..and we even attacked them based on our conclusive and undesputed evidence.... So Whats the probleme?


Who cares what russia claim, when all that matters is what we claime and have evidence of....

Whats the problem? Great question?

Syria and Russia have claimed they completely control the city and site where the chemical attack supposedly occurred. They delayed allowing investigators in for over a week and when they did allow them in they came under fire and had to be removed.

Yeah nothing suspicious there.
Or the 10 times Russia has blocked any investigations into chemical weapons use by Syria.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Its just as bad as Russia supporting an independent investigation into the use of chemical weapons but prohibiting the investigators from determining fault. Russia wanted that left to the security council, where any position not accepted by any one side gets vetoed, thereby creating a non ending loop, and by extension no one held accountable.

It was not bad to deny the inspectors to the area after the bombing...

It was possibly a decision based on keeping the inspectors in good health.

We would not want them getting that gas on them or having the rebels shoot em.

That explanation might be plausible except for the fact Russia / Syria cant seem to get their act together on whether chemical weapons were used or not.

If they werent used the there is no danger.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The UN delayed. Their security forces wanted to recon the area beforehand and they took forever.

Later, They could have done their job but a crowd formed and freaked them out so they left. Again, not really a problem unless you waste time. Not really a "Russia blocked us" type of problem.

Then they were shot at.

I thought the west supports the rebels? Who shot at the UN inspectors then? Russia or Syria while under their own security and that of the UN? Amazing.

Couldnt be the rebels we influence or outright control who took some shots at the inspectors in order to stall for time. No.

a reply to: tadaman

Investigators say Syrian and Russian authorities blocked them from site of suspected chemical attack

Syrian and Russian authorities have reportedly blocked a watchdog group from investigating a suspected chemical attack in Syria.

The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, an independent watchdog group, sought to visit the city of Douma, near Damascus, to investigate a recent attack, The Associated Press reports.

The OPCW tried to visit the site of the alleged attack to investigate, but local officials said that the team lacked proper permissions from the United Nations, AP reports. A U.N. spokesperson disputed that claim, telling AP that the OPCW group had been fully cleared by the U.N. to investigate in Douma.

Instead of allowing investigators to access Douma, Syrian authorities said that the OPCW team could interview a group of 22 witnesses.

a reply to: Xcathdra

originally posted by: xstealth Update 4/18/18:

So all the pro-Assad journalists can visit Douma and report peace under Russian police, but when OPCW inspectors arrive all hell breaks loose and they can not conduct their investigations.

THERE STILL HAS BEEN NO INVESTIGATION

Here is the quote from the OPCW "On 16 April, we received confirmation from the National Authority of the Syrian Arab Republic that, under agreements reached to allow the evacuation of the population in Ghouta, the Syrian military were unable to enter Douma.

The security for the sites where the FFM plans to deploy was under the control of the Russian Military Police. The United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) has made the necessary arrangements with the Syrian authorities to escort the team to a certain point and then for the escort to be taken over by the Russian Military Police.

However, the UNDSS preferred to first conduct a reconnaissance visit to the sites, which took place yesterday.


FFM team members did not participate in this visit. On arrival at Site 1, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw.

At Site 2, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus. "

www.opcw.org...

I thought the rebels were under our control. Why would they shoot at the UN sanctioned inspectors? To delay them for what?

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Its just as bad as Russia supporting an independent investigation into the use of chemical weapons but prohibiting the investigators from determining fault. Russia wanted that left to the security council, where any position not accepted by any one side gets vetoed, thereby creating a non ending loop, and by extension no one held accountable.

It was not bad to deny the inspectors to the area after the bombing...

It was possibly a decision based on keeping the inspectors in good health.

We would not want them getting that gas on them or having the rebels shoot em.

That explanation might be plausible except for the fact Russia / Syria cant seem to get their act together on whether chemical weapons were used or not.

If they werent used the there is no danger.

Let us not forget that if we bombed any stockpiles then we would be just as guilty as anyone else setting off chemical bombs.

All sides are playin the game

We can post ten times russia vetoed resolutions and such then turn around and post ten times the USAians done the same thing.

MY opinion (just gonna pretend you asked) is that no chemicals have been used yet or else said countries would be guilty of war crimes. It is all a show.

Just how big of a creator would 100 of our best missiles make.. do not bother answering as it is rhetorical.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Well did we really need to have a investigation or any one to go in to take samples, when the US, UK and France already had these?

i dont understad that this is a issue if these inevestigater reached the site or not... we already have the evidence....

a reply to: Xcathdra

Grotesque. Go back 30 years in time and repeat this part again:

Its just as bad as Russia

Very. Slowly.

Yes it is "just as bad", if you will. But you've lost me right there, comrade. I will hold my gubmint accountable and it's Krautistan, not Russia. The only good thing would be, that Mutti didn't support another unconstitutional attack.

A disturbing and unexpected turn of events.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

You focused on one word and ignored the rest of my comment which takes both sides to task.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Xcathdra

Well did we really need to have a investigation or any one to go in to take samples, when the US, UK and France already had these?

i dont understad that this is a issue if these inevestigater reached the site or not... we already have the evidence....

Depends on who you ask...

If no chemical weapons were used why has Russia blocked 10 different resolutions over the years?
Why did Russia/Syria block the investigators from entering this time?

For there being no chemical weapons they are sure determined to keep people out of an area completely under their control.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Another unconstitutional attack and (legit) security concerns from somebody with a mandate are 2 pair of shoes.

YMMV