F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

a reply to: shooterbrody

who referred the case to the ny feds?

Mueller, I think.

they did what they were told

They followed Mueller's recommendation, yes. Apparently Mueller had reason to suspect Cohen of criminal activity. Apparently there was sufficient probable cause for a warrant to be issued and materials gathered.

a reply to: Phage

yep
criminal activity NOT arising from muellers investigation or he COULD NOT refer it to ny

a reply to: shooterbrody

criminal activity NOT arising from muellers investigation or he COULD NOT refer it to ny

I don't know if that's a factual statement. Upon what do you base it?

But what's your point?

a reply to: Phage

oh so mueller is not doing his job now?
or are you unfamiliar with the scope of what mueller was to investigate?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Yes..

Russian collusion and anything else illegal by the trump campaign..


It was a VERY broad mandate.

a reply to: shooterbrody

oh so mueller is not doing his job now?

Pretty sure he is.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

so you agree mueller wouldnt refer a campaign crime uncovered by his investigation?

a reply to: Phage

so this referal is outside his scope
and trumps priviledge stands

random cohen crime does not invalidate trumps privilege

a reply to: shooterbrody

so this referal is outside his scope

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Is there something which prevents him from making such a referral if it also falls within the scope of his investigation?

and trumps priviledge stands

For items in which Cohen was acting as Trump's attorney, yes.

random cohen crime does not invalidate trumps privilege

Unless there is evidence which implicates Trump in those "random crimes." Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

a reply to: Phage

yeah sure maybe

originally posted by: Phage
Unless there is evidence which implicates Trump in those "random crimes." Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

It doesnt exactly work that way. The government has to have evidence of a crime (IE probable cause) to obtain a warrant. You cant just sift thru documents in hopes of finding evidence of a crime. Search warrants have to be specific and the bar gets higher when its a lawyer.

Trumps privilege stands. That is reinforced by the fact Trump is not involved with what is going on with Cohen. Since Trump is not involved his documents are protected since they have no bearing on the case against Cohen.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Phage
Unless there is evidence which implicates Trump in those "random crimes." Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

It doesnt exactly work that way. The government has to have evidence of a crime (IE probable cause) to obtain a warrant. You cant just sift thru documents in hopes of finding evidence of a crime. Search warrants have to be specific and the bar gets higher when its a lawyer.

Trumps privilege stands. That is reinforced by the fact Trump is not involved with what is going on with Cohen. Since Trump is not involved his documents are protected since they have no bearing on the case against Cohen.

Sorry no. Trump is claiming that Cohen is not his lawyer, except for a few minor things. So no Attorney-Client Privilege.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Haha.
Please God please.....

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's a start date. He was still at it after trump won the primaries. Still making deals with Oleg Deripaska.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Mueller and Rosenstein stated Trump has nothing to do / no link to Cohens case.

When did they make any statements? I haven't seen Mueller make a statement at all and the last statement from Rosenstein told us that trump is a subject of the investigation.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Important to note.
Hannity says Cohen did no legal work for him. And that guy from the RNC Broidy is it? He only had one matter settled by Cohen which means that the BULK of the evidence seized will pertain to donald trump... And only donald trump.

a reply to: soberbacchus

That was simply trump making Cohen the covfefe boy. He was distancing himself like he has with every indictment or revelation or discovery that's been released. Never heard of him. He was nobody. Served the coffee. Was a minor clerk. Was with us a very short time. Wasn't part of the organization. Was not paid. We've heard it all before. Over and over.
Seems some folks just never catch on.

a reply to: Phage

Some folks are under the impression that every conversation trump had with Cohen was privileged. Or that every conversation someone has with their lawyer is privileged.
That's an error.

a reply to: soberbacchus

They are grasping tight to the statement that trump wasn't a target. They completely ignore that the president is a SUBJECT of the investigation. Subject to change at a moment's notice. Like being interviewed by Muellers team.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Well they GOT the warrant so....