F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

a reply to: Aazadan

Sorry but no it's not. I saw this discussed by several lawyers already. There has to be a mutual agreement. They need to be a client or intend with the communication to become one. Asking about a parking ticket at a cocktail party does not make a mutual agreement.
Nor does it establish attorney client relationship required for attorney client privilege.
And if you're discussing committing a crime...there's no privilege no matter the agreement.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Once again APIS can settle the bs about Prague. Mueller already released a statement saying a lot of stories out there are flat wrong and that release came when the whole fake Prague trip was recycled.

He never went to Prague.
He was in California with his son
Jake Tapper from CNN debunked this in January.
Mueller nor anyone on his team ever stated what the article creator claims (new evidence).

He was not in Prague.

a reply to: Sillyolme

And THIS:

Trump allies worry Cohen will flip
www.politico.com...

If people close to Trump world think what prosecutors have on Cohen could flip him, the potential charges and evidence must be huge.

Frankly I suspect they have enough to charge him even before the raid, but the raid was about crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s. As has been said a million times, the evidence to sign off on this warrant would have had to been damning to begin with.

The question is, will Trump Pardon him?
No doubt Trump has made that promise, but he would want to wait until after his 2020 bid and a lot of damage can be done in the meanwhile. If he pardoned him before 2020 it would have political consequences.

Technically - Trump could pardon him now, even before charges, but the President would have to list the charges he is pardoning him for or a time frame "all offenses committed between x-y".

Only limitations being State Convictions or Civil Rulings.

Which is why Cohen might flip.

Trump could pardon Michael Cohen — but it might not save him
www.vox.com...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Sillyolme

Once again APIS can settle the bs about Prague.

What makes you think APIS isn't what tipped off investigators?

Is there some public link for the APIS system?

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

Mueller would look to place him in Prague with Russian operatives before he yanked that net closed.

a reply to: soberbacchus

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

yeah it is entirely possible he parachuted in as well......nothing but a big fishing expedition otherwise they would have charged him already

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

yeah it is entirely possible he parachuted in as well......nothing but a big fishing expedition otherwise they would have charged him already

Again, Mueller has a long history. He isn't known to ever fish, by the time the FBI raids your home he already has enough to indict. Evidence gathered in a raid is just gravy to him.

Mueller would not charge someone for flying to Germany and lying about it.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

yeah it is entirely possible he parachuted in as well......nothing but a big fishing expedition otherwise they would have charged him already

Again, Mueller has a long history. He isn't known to ever fish, by the time the FBI raids your home he already has enough to indict. Evidence gathered in a raid is just gravy to him.

Mueller would not charge someone for flying to Germany and lying about it.

Oh and I thought muller was not involved in this ny event???
Also didn't muller actully make a statement recently to not believe stories in the media about the investigation???

a reply to: Sillyolme

THIS

The Dossier claims about Cohen were BS? Right?

Cohen drops libel suits against BuzzFeed, Fusion GPS
www.politico.com...

He says it is about bandwidth, but since when does a lawyer decide not sue on behalf of himself? It should be a slam dunk showing that what the Dossier said about him travelling to Prague was BS? Right?...

Right up until his offices and home got raided.

Will be fascinating to see what evidence was recovered.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

yeah it is entirely possible he parachuted in as well......nothing but a big fishing expedition otherwise they would have charged him already

Again, Mueller has a long history. He isn't known to ever fish, by the time the FBI raids your home he already has enough to indict. Evidence gathered in a raid is just gravy to him.

Mueller would not charge someone for flying to Germany and lying about it.

Oh and I thought muller was not involved in this ny event???
Also didn't muller actully make a statement recently to not believe stories in the media about the investigation???

I didn't say Mueller was involved in the Cohen raid?
I said the opposite. The reason he wasn't involved was that he doesn't want to charge Cohen yet and a flight to Germany and lying about it would not count. That doesn't mean he doesn't have evidence.

YOU said:
"nothing but a big fishing expedition otherwise they would have charged him already"

I assumed you were talking about the SC Investigation. (Prague and Cohen)

Were you talking about the NY AG Office?

a reply to: soberbacchus

Please show your evidence he lied and went to Germany.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Again, Mueller has a long history. He isn't known to ever fish

He does have a long history.....
thehill.com...

Using disingenuous allegations of lying to decide judicial matters is Mueller’s past.

Funny YOU bring that up.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Please show your evidence he lied

He lied about where he was during that time.

He also disabled and then re-enabled location stamps on his twitter feed for that same period that he lied about.

Last tweet 7:50PM Aug 19th 2016 Manhattan
twitter.com...

Next tweet 6:53AM Aug 22nd 2016 (Location Stamp disabled for his few tweets on this day)
twitter.com...
twitter.com...

then Location stamp back on 4:41AM Aug 24th 2016 (Elizabeth NJ)
twitter.com...

* Cohen claimed he was in LA 23rd-29th

Cohen said that he was in Los Angeles from the 23rd through the 29th of August, and that the rest of the month he was in New York.

www.theatlantic.com...

This was a lie he has never explained.
He was not in CA on the 23rd. He was in NJ the morning of the 24th.
The 20th-23rd are unaccounted for.
Nor has he explained why his twitter Geo Stamp was disabled only for that time period.


That leaves an uncharacteristic gap in his tweets between 7:50PM Aug 19th (Manhattan) and 4:41AM Aug 24th 2016 (Elizabeth NJ - Airport).

Where he turned off location stamps for just those two tweets during the interim then back on.

4 Days and eight hours.

Time from NJ to Germany 8 hours. drive to Prague 5.

and went to Germany.

That evidence is not public one way or another.

What we do know is that your claims he never went there are not supported by any facts that survive scrutiny.

It is entirely possible and there remain open questions about why he lied about his travel.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Please show your evidence he lied and went to Germany.

There is NONE.
He is more stealthy than a ninja dressed in black at midnight during a lunar eclipse.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I don't believe you understand what you are reading in that link.

Whether the FBI agent interviewing someone thinks they are being truthful or not is not relevant to the revelation of whether they actually were truthful or not.

And that presumes the "reporting" is accurate as it seems gossip without sources.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Please show your evidence he lied and went to Germany.

Please see my post above and show your evidence he was not in Prague.

a reply to: soberbacchus

I don't believe you understand what you are reading in that link.

I don't believe that you have any understanding of any of this event. Proof is here

Whether the FBI agent interviewing someone thinks they are being truthful or not is not relevant to the revelation of whether they actually were truthful or not.

lol at your "not relevant"
laughable

As to "gossip", surly you must be joking ..
from the link

BY JAMES S. DAVIDSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

or is your reading ability questionable as well?
from the link

As a former FBI agent

He has actual real world interaction with the players involved. His word is worth a thousand of your petty comments.

My experience as an FBI agent taught me to look to the past to predict the future. Using disingenuous allegations of lying to decide judicial matters is Mueller’s past. It appears this practice continued in the Flynn case.

so ironic YOU of all people brought up muellers past!

originally posted by: [post=23332007]soberbacchus

It's entirely possible he has a second passport and that second Passport number shows him travelling to Germany in that time like the leak suggests.

This is exactly why I brought up the point, referencing my former USAF friend.

Cohen might very well have had (at least) a second, valid passport.

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”.

He could very well have used that second passport to travel to Europe (most likely Germany) and then travel to Prague without that leg of his trip showing on any record.

Until, and unless, Cohen is required by the court to produce (all) his passport(s), and that information is released to the public, we will never know for sure.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Right now the FBI has 15,000 agents.

How many "Former FBI Agents" do you think are floating around?

The fact that one of them has a political "opinion" does not mean anything in the face of facts and evidence.

Flynn lied to the FBI and pled guilty.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: shooterbrody

Right now the FBI has 15,000 agents.

How many "Former FBI Agents" do you think are floating around?

The fact that one of them has a political "opinion" does not mean anything in the face of facts and evidence.

Flynn lied to the FBI and pled guilty.

None of which cleans up what was stated about muellers history and the "lying to the fbi" charge.
You do understand what has been done in the flynn case? Or has your ignorance gotten the best of you in the event as well?
thefederalist.com...

However, the text messages cast quite a different light on the conduct of the DOJ and the FBI’s lead agent and attorney (beyond their adulterous affair). The text messages reveal the couple’s desire to arrange for Page to meet Contreras—a cause so important to the duo that they were willing to arrange an intimate dinner party for six with, presumably, their respective spouses.

thehill.com...

The federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn has ordered special counsel Robert Mueller’s team to turn over any “exculpatory evidence” to his defense team.

“Why would he we want that after General Flynn has already pleaded guilty? That is unheard of. He must suspect a defect in the guilty plea. Meaning, he must have reason to believe that General Flynn pleaded guilty for some reason other than guilt.”

Hilarity ensues when you attempt to bring up the flynn case as evidence of muellers investigation doing things the "right way".

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: soberbacchus

Please show your evidence he lied and went to Germany.

There is NONE.
He is more stealthy than a ninja dressed in black at midnight during a lunar eclipse.

With a bell on each limb and a big red clowns nose