F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: rnaa

Yeah, you're right. I was delivering illegal noodles. Contraband. While you're at it, indict Celadon Trucking.

Oh, and the Customs officer who searched my truck... indict her too.

TheRedneck

Once again, you miss the entire point. American citizens don't need a passport to enter Canada. The USA and Canada have a mutual agreement about crossing the border. It isn't quite as free as the Schengen agreement though, because Canada does require proof of citizenship - which can be satisfied with a passport, or a birth certificate, or some other documents.

From: Schengen Area Countries List

Through Schengen Area, borders between European countries are only existent on maps, as to over 400 million nationals of 26 member countries the freedom of traveling passport check and border control free within and outside the area is guaranteed, as within a single country, since every country share the common travel and movement rights

Cohen could have traveled ANYWHERE in the Schengen countries and not raised an eyebrow with any government agency from any country what so ever (unless he was on a criminal or terrorist watch list, of course).

However YOUR trip to Canada required the above mentioned proof of citizenship, and you claim you have never had a passport. So the question remains then, did you carry proof of citizenship when you entered Canada? If not, you entered Canada illegally, whether your citizenship was questioned or not.

Since 2003, the current authority is the Canadian Border Services Agency. Previously, there were three different agencies, Customs and Revenue, Citizenship and Immigration, Canadian Food Inspection. So if your trip was before 2003, you SHOULD have come in contact with three different organizations.

Furthermore, a drivers license is NOT proof of citizenship.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: rnaa

That makes no sense. I've never been abroad, much less to Europe.

TheRedneck

You entered a foreign country without a passport. Did Canada not want to stamp your passport? Why not?

What were you 'delivering' that you had to cross the border 'on the sly' like that? Contraband?

Sounds illegal to me.

US citizens are not required to have a passport in order to enter Canada. While they can use one enhanced drivers license, social security /Birth certificates etc are allowed under Canadian law. To my knowledge Canada does not stamp US passports for entering their country and vice versa.

Yes, see my reply to Redneck above.

Canada requires Americans to carry proof of citizenship. This can be satisfied by a passport or a birth certificate or certain other documents that carry such proof. A Social Security card is NOT evidence of citizenship in any way shape or form, it is not even a legitimate ID. A drivers license is not proof of citizenship (except that I am aware that SOME drivers licenses carry an indication).

My wife has a Social Security card and used to have an American drivers license. She is not an American citizen.


In Redneck's case, he has never had a passport, so what proof of citizenship

a reply to: TheRedneck

They get it back when they're done with it. That's whenever they are done.
Unless there's a trial. Then he gets it back when the trial is over. Or he never gets it back.

www.lawtoncates.com...

They can hold it as a pending investigation for a long time. Some evidence is never returned. Some is destroyed by the state.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

They are still determining who will go through it.
The judge told Cohen yesterday it won't be him..
Imagine that? Yeah judge let me go through that and ill just let you know what I think you need. Lol

a reply to: burgerbuddy

They laughed at him in court???

a reply to: burntheships

Oh here we go....

a reply to: Phage

I admire your patients. Are you a teacher?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Is there a point here?

originally posted by: rnaa
Cohen could have traveled ANYWHERE in the Schengen countries and not raised an eyebrow with any government agency from any country what so ever (unless he was on a criminal or terrorist watch list, of course).

APIS says otherwise. Any person heading to Europe from the US and vice versa has their information shared. The US will send passenger data to the EU country where the flight lands and the EU country does the same heading back to the US. The information shared is name, citizenship, passport info and a bunch of other stuff. If Cohen went to Europe there would be a record of that trip. Even if he landed in Germany and drove to Prague it would still log him as being in Germany. His passport is stamped on arrival and his passport is stamped when leaving the EU country to return to the US.

Cohen was not in Europe at the time this meeting occurred.Jake Taper debunked it back in January and just recently Muellers team actually told the media that the stories floating around are not accurate.

a reply to: burntheships

A playboy bunny at a club doesn't pose for the magazine you know right?

Nope... they serve drinks.
A client of mine invited my husband and I out when they had a key club in Manhattan in the eighties. I don't know if they still have key clubs but I know they still have cocktail waitresses. Which is what a bunny would do.

You're thinking seems limited to staples in the bellybutton bunnies. Most are not. Or were not.
They had an open casino in Atlantic city too but that is something else now. The bunnies served drinks there too.

a reply to: Phage

Hang the witch.

By her little cotton tail. Lol.

a reply to: burntheships

Of course. I'm sure that's exactly what will be discovered.

Or gasp ... she might vote democrat. That's enough to disqualify her in this atmosphere.

a reply to: Phage

My favorite scene in that movie. I used to make my brother crack up with the bunny line.

"It's no ordinary rabbit lad. A fowl and vicious creature with hugh sharp teeth. Look at the bones..." in my best Scottish accent. I even did the finger motion for teeth. Lol


Appreciate the comic relief.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: rnaa
Cohen could have traveled ANYWHERE in the Schengen countries and not raised an eyebrow with any government agency from any country what so ever (unless he was on a criminal or terrorist watch list, of course).

APIS says otherwise. Any person heading to Europe from the US and vice versa has their information shared.

If you read the sentence you will notice that I wrote that "Cohen could have traveled ANYWHERE in the Schengen countries". APIS will know when he leaves the USA and enters the first Shengen country. APIS will know when he leaves a Shengen country for a non-Shengen country. APIS will not know which Shengen countries he visited between entry and exit (I repeat: unless he was on some sort of watch list and was being purposely tracked by other means).

What part of

The Schengen Area ( /ˈʃɛŋən/, /ˈʃɛŋɡən/) is an area comprising 26 European states that have officially abolished passport and all other types of border control at their mutual borders. (source: Wikipedia)

are you finding it hard to understand?

Shengen states have officially abolished all types of border control at their mutual borders. There are no points of contact for APIS to hook into. Its like if you drive from Denver to Kansas City. What officialdom is going to know or care unless you are being purposely followed?

Cohen was not in Europe at the time this meeting occurred.Jake Taper debunked it back in January and just recently Muellers team actually told the media that the stories floating around are not accurate.

Yeah, maybe so. Maybe not. New information and all that. "Stories floating around are not accurate" doesn't say that he wasn't there; it just says that the stories floating around don't have the complete truth, or have some inaccurate details. You think Taper has better info than Mueller?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Aazadan

So you're OK with the government taking property without presenting even a formal accusation of wrongdoing? Not even saying what they were investigating?

They specified precisely what crimes they are investigating Cohen for.

Cohen's team knows exactly what the investigation is about.

It was redacted from court documents before public release and Cohen's lawyers have refused to explain.

As long as you continue to repeat this lie, despite being corrected, I will continue to present facts.




"For which Cohen is under Criminal Investigation, namely XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"

www.courtlistener.com...

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: rnaa
Cohen could have traveled ANYWHERE in the Schengen countries and not raised an eyebrow with any government agency from any country what so ever (unless he was on a criminal or terrorist watch list, of course).

APIS says otherwise. Any person heading to Europe from the US and vice versa has their information shared. The US will send passenger data to the EU country where the flight lands and the EU country does the same heading back to the US. The information shared is name, citizenship, passport info and a bunch of other stuff. If Cohen went to Europe there would be a record of that trip.

You are correct that there very likely would be a record of Cohen travelling to Europe.
The post you responded to was talking about travelling within the Schengen Region (Example from Germany to Prague in Czech). They are also correct that there would be no record of that inter-country travel within the Schengen region.

originally posted by: Xcathdra


Cohen was not in Europe at the time this meeting occurred.Jake Taper debunked it back in January and just recently Muellers team actually told the media that the stories floating around are not accurate.

I find it odd that you find Jake Tapper so credible an investigator that you take his word for it without examining his reasoning?

Looking at Cohen's twitter history with time and LOCATION stamps.

Cohen was an addicted Tweeter, much like his boss.

Dozens of tweets each day.

For the last two weeks in Aug 2016 and first 2 weeks in Sept. 2016 there is only one significant stoppage in tweets.

September 7th last tweet 8PM Manhattan (he had 35 tweets on this day prior to the silence)

Resumes September 10th 7:30 am in NY (25 tweets on this day)

The rest of the potential 4 week period has tweets DAILY, by the dozens by Cohen with Geo stamps in NY, NJ and very briefly in LA.

I can't find him giving any interviews, campaign meetings etc during this time despite him speaking about the campaign steadily during that time.

Where was he during that 36 hour period. Flight time to Frankfurt 8 hours (less by private jet - most likely Private jet if it happened).

Car ride to Prague from Frankfurt 5 hours.

It looks like Hannity's explanantion is evolving.

“I never paid legal fees to Michael,” Hannity said. “Michael never represented me in any matter.”

He later added: I “may have” handed Cohen “ten bucks” and asked for attorney-client privilege.

www.bloomberg.com...

originally posted by: soberbacchus
It looks like Hannity's explanantion is evolving.

“I never paid legal fees to Michael,” Hannity said. “Michael never represented me in any matter.”

He later added: I “may have” handed Cohen “ten bucks” and asked for attorney-client privilege.

www.bloomberg.com...

Because he's lying.

Because he's being used.

Because Cohen "needed" other "clients" in an attempt to somehow prove he practices law, and is thus entitled to invoke attorney-client privilege.

Hannity is being used bc Trump figures that Hannity will lie or say whatever needed to be said (it would be interesting if they told Hannity beforehand whether he was "the chosen one") .

Thus, Hannity is "evolving" as he learns what it is he must have "done" to have qualified to be a "client." He said yesterday on the radio that he definitely ran some things by him and "definitely asked for attorney client privilege" (like that ever really happens. You have a discussion w/ clients about anything sensitive prior to the discussion, you discuss the limits of attorney-client privilege, including the fact that you can't knowingly let them lie on the stand) Now, Hannity is learning all the things he needed to do in order to qualify for what Cohen needs, thus the "evolving statements."

What a train wreck.

This is the Trump White House.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
It looks like Hannity's explanantion is evolving.

“I never paid legal fees to Michael,” Hannity said. “Michael never represented me in any matter.”

He later added: I “may have” handed Cohen “ten bucks” and asked for attorney-client privilege.

www.bloomberg.com...

Because he's lying.

Because he's being used.

Because Cohen "needed" other "clients" in an attempt to somehow prove he practices law, and is thus entitled to invoke attorney-client privilege.

Hannity is being used bc Trump figures that Hannity will lie or say whatever needed to be said (it would be interesting if they told Hannity beforehand whether he was "the chosen one") .

Thus, Hannity is "evolving" as he learns what it is he must have "done" to have qualified to be a "client." He said yesterday on the radio that he definitely ran some things by him and "definitely asked for attorney client privilege" (like that ever really happens. You have a discussion w/ clients about anything sensitive prior to the discussion, you discuss the limits of attorney-client privilege, including the fact that you can't knowingly let them lie on the stand) Now, Hannity is learning all the things he needed to do in order to qualify for what Cohen needs, thus the "evolving statements."

What a train wreck.

This is the Trump White House.