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a reply to: TearThePod

Civil is much nicer
Btw I'm not pro or anti any country nation brother I'm 51 and they all stink l. Unfortunately due to the 51 year bit I've probably had more time to become cynical. I firmly believe no "Government " should be trusted hence I wish Australia had a second amendment in it's pure form at least you guys have a choice. We dont get the rise up against them that you lucky buggers get. I know it's a touchy subject over there but the Government sends more sons daughters father etc as target practice for there perverted game so please never lose your second amendment because you dont know what your got until it's gon I digress.. At least people like us here have an opinion the thing is one of us is right unfortunately none of us win because wherever you are whatever you believe wrong or right it all leads to the same Sewer
Keep up your good work and regardless what you believe ..question everything

a reply to: TearThePod

The amount of misinformation in your posts is extensive.

The Syrian Army was not on the verge of victory

Your assertion that the Syrian Army isn't on the verge of victory in the Eastern Ghouta is false. They have Douma surrounded from all sides with overwhelming firepower with heavy weaponry backed by Russian air power. There was no need to use chemical weapons here to "break their morale" as a volley of elephant missiles onto their front-line defenses would do far more damage and provide far more shock value.

If the Syrian/Iranian/Russian forces are so imposing like you say, why are there even still Rebel cities at all after all this time?

The Syrian Army, regardless of your beliefs, has done their best to protect their infrastructure and citizenry under a total war scenario. Their approach in this Eastern Ghouta offensive and the quick conquest of East Aleppo are proof of the care they took to avoid civilian casualties throughout the process. Clearing urban areas of well funded and armed insurgent groups takes time and sufficient manpower if you want to avoid civilian casualties, protect your soldiers and keep infrastructure damage to a minimum. The Syrian Army was not prepared to for an all out invasion of an army of foreign backed and trained mercenaries that poured through the border areas but have since done a remarkable job turning the tide of the conflict against the combined economic power of some of the wealthiest countries in the world.

The dictator in Syria is responsible for the deaths of nearly half a million people of his OWN people.

This is completely false. All sides, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, the CIA/US have admitted their roles in instigating, funding and arming foreign mercenaries which numbered more than a hundred thousand strong at their peak. This was not a civil war, this was an overthrow of the Syrian State. The Qatari Prime Minister is on video confessing their involvement from the outset of the protests and video that you can find on LiveLeak shows ample evidence that the protestors were not peaceful.

Syria was found responsible for the Apr 6 chemical attack last year by the UN. Are you really telling me that they are not capable of doing it twice?

The UN stating Syria is responsible for last year's false flag chemical weapon's attack is like a den of wolves with a sheep deciding who's for dinner. The UN has lied before about chemical weapons and they are not to be trusted. Syria has routinely denied the use of chemical weapons in Khan Shaykhun and no evidence has been collected to corroborate the story from the insurgents in this area. The city was not on a front-line and served no tactical purpose.

If Assad was the indiscriminate murderer of hundreds of thousands of people as you state he would not have popular support amongst his citizenry. He's able to drive in his own vehicle, without a bodyguard through the streets. Our own President is not even able to do this.

The rest of your two posts are conflating other topics into this one and will add to thread drift so I'm only covering the major points here. You're on a conspiracy site and you're toeing the line from the MSM and Government institutions. You're telling others to "Deny Ignorance" but in this case I would have to say, in the nicest way possible, that you should take your own advice.

Satire:

a reply to: Tenbatsu

Thank you for your reply. I strongly disagree that the Syrian regime has gone great lengths to protect its civilians as you claim, but I digress.
Let’s just cut to it. Educate me. Someone.
Why is the United States, it’s allies, and all other “players” spreading a false narrative such as what we’re seeing in Syria. I’m not claiming that NATO is the pinnacle of truth. But suggesting that the most powerful allied nation organization in the world is blasting us with fake claims like this is a bold claim.
Tell me what the end game is.

a reply to: TearThePod

-- WARNING! EDUCATED OPINION BELOW! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK! 

Believe it or not, there are nations out there who will do this to their own people. The USA isn't the only country with a shady past. 

-You are wrong. Although the Syrians have gained significant ground, they are not on the verge of victory. This was a rebel-held city. Rebels hold territory through the outer cities of Syria, and still have aid from Coalition and NATO forces. Stop lying. 

-Russia's announcement of this being a hoax was released through their state controlled media. Of course they are going to deny it. 

-Syria was found responsible for the Apr 6 chemical attack last year by the UN. Are you really telling me that they are not capable of doing it twice? Or is the UN lying in order for the US to have its way in the world? (Don't flatter yourself). They have denied having chemical weapons altogether, but we even know when and where they were made. 

-President Trump recently announced he wanted US involvement in Syria to cease within 6 months. Why the hell would we then go and stage an attack like this? To "nation build"? To go to war with a reemerging Russia? To secure natural resources in Syria? You may not know this, but the resources we gain from Africa and the rest of the Middle East through legal trade alone would make a war with Syria not worth it. War's not free, and we are spread thin already. 

-On top of all of this, we have the potential trade war with China, potential nuclear war with North Korea, the national guard being activated to secure the border, not to mention our involvement in other parts of the Middle East. We don't want war with Russia or Syria. And it makes zero sense to stage an attack. The amount of high level cooperation and approval that needs makes it even more unlikely. 

Posts like the OP's should be more carefully researched, at the very least based in more then just a distrust for the media. 
Conspiracies ARE real. Which is why this site is legit. But not everything is one. In fact, the broken English and poor spelling of the OP shows me that there's another reason he's spouting all this anti USA BS. 
In my opinion, the Syrian regime is testing the (soon to be) newly appointed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, while taking advantage of the fact that we are involved in war elsewhere (social, trade, and military) and our attention is spread somewhat thin. Most importantly, this is a tactic they are using to frighten the rebels and lower their morale. They are trying to crush an extremely resilient force, and they will use any means necessary. Including burning children chemically. They've done it before. 

TLDR- The Syrian regime using chemical weapons in not far-fetched. It is an effective tactic to lower the Rebels' morale and gain territory, and they have been guilty of doing so in the past. This scenario is MUCH more likely than the US or NATO forces staging an attack or even fabricating it completely it order to war with Syria or Russia. It makes little to no sense to do that. The amount of bipartisan cooperation it takes to plan a false-flag event really is copious. Have you seen how poorly our government works together? If you haven't already, get familiar with things like Operation Northwoods and learn how such an event would come to fruition. Read my full post for facts and educated opinions. 

Stop spouting crap. And stop gassing up people who spout crap. 
Deny Ignorance.

Let me just start by saying, I cannot stand someone who attacks someone's grammar, even when it is not that bad. It is just an insecurity thing to somehow lift themselves above the person they are debating with! It is sad!

As for you post! You should not have started it with "educated guess" because it is about as uneducated as you can get!

They have Douma surrounded from all sides, so you are wrong in that assumption. Assad would have to be a complete idiot/moron to even attempt something like that.

But people like you lap it up. Weak minded and brainwashed by the government you love! It frustrates me that so many weak minded people believe everything their government/mainstream media says.

I guess you also believe that Russia poisoned the Russian spy and his daughter. Straight away, Russia blamed, even though there was no evidence, and now it is looking like my own government have something to hide!



They are all going to get us killed. So you carry on believing the B.S., you will most prob open your eyes when it is too late!

originally posted by: TearThePod
a reply to: Tenbatsu

Thank you for your reply. I strongly disagree that the Syrian regime has gone great lengths to protect its civilians as you claim, but I digress.
Let’s just cut to it. Educate me. Someone.
Why is the United States, it’s allies, and all other “players” spreading a false narrative such as what we’re seeing in Syria. I’m not claiming that NATO is the pinnacle of truth. But suggesting that the most powerful allied nation organization in the world is blasting us with fake claims like this is a bold claim.
Tell me what the end game is.

Why are they doing this? What is there agenda? I do know know, but it is clear as day that they have chosen Russia to be the new monster for the West!

Do they want another war, a good war? Does Russia mess eith the plans they want for Syria? Who knows, but make know mistake, if the West throws us into another war, it will be the last!

a reply to: TearThePod

And why would the world want to pick on Russia? And why would the whole UN accuse Russia?

Why would Syria gas civilians? Why would Hitler gas the Jews? Why would anyone commit ethnic cleansing? It might not even be a directive from the top. Just a few Syria crazies with access to chemical weapons? Targeting a group they hold a grudge with?

originally posted by: colang
a reply to: Sillyolme

Accept my apologies I was having an angry rant

You don't need to apologise for anything, the clue is in her name, that much is true.

Maybe it’s one of Bashar al-Assad‘s own generals? Trying to put Assad in a weak position to gain power for themselves?

originally posted by: TearThePod
a reply to: Tenbatsu

Thank you for your reply. I strongly disagree that the Syrian regime has gone great lengths to protect its civilians as you claim, but I digress.
Let’s just cut to it. Educate me. Someone.
Why is the United States, it’s allies, and all other “players” spreading a false narrative such as what we’re seeing in Syria. I’m not claiming that NATO is the pinnacle of truth. But suggesting that the most powerful allied nation organization in the world is blasting us with fake claims like this is a bold claim.
Tell me what the end game is.

What was it in Iraq or Libya, freedom for the people? Try hegemony, dominance, control of mineral resources, install a puppet government, geographical strength......

a reply to: Jay-morris

Thanks for your reply. If you continued reading, I apologized for my grammar comment to the person directly. I realized I was being a dick. And corrected it.
Calling me weak-minded is also a personal attack. And just as uncalled for.
Where do you get your information pertaining to your claim that the Rebels are as good as fallen? The news? How do you determine what is true and what is false then, if I am such a sheep for using the same source. Honest question.

The "government lies" I believe in could have to do with the fact that I am in a position to see some of what has been talked about directly. I am by no means an official source, but chances are I have been involved in things most haven't, and I have a unique perspective on world events. I am only taking available information and trying to determine what is most likely to be the truth. I am not soaking in MSM lies. If I happen to have a viewpoint that lines up with the narrative, then so be it. That doesn't make me a government shill, or a fool, or a sheep. I am an active member on a conspiracy website trying to find the truth, like (most) everyone else here.

I'll ask you again. What is the end game? Show me evidence that points to a conspiracy here. Cite NATO lies that damage their credibility. I see plenty of claims but nobody ever wants to cite something proven. To be fair, I haven't dug a ton. So educate me.
Also, I believe this is relevant to this thread. Who is responsible for the spy attack in England, if not Russia?
If there is enough evidence, or at least smoke, that points away from the official stories discussed then I am open to them. We're all looking for the truth here.

a reply to: Fermy

What dominance do we have in Iraq and Libya? We haven't known our head from our a$$ in Iraq for quite some time. Geographical strength is a legitimate point. One that the rest of the world powers share, such as Russia. There are dozens of tactical and financial advantages in being in that part of the world. But stability is key in order to secure a long term gain, and that certainly isn't the case in those nations. So if this is an elaborate scheme, which I am open to, then what is there to gain from staging this specific event?
Why are we (United States and allies, NATO, etc.) organizing, or at the very least sponsoring, or flat out staging, chemical attacks on cities in Syria?
Help me make sense of it. Everyone is screaming false flag like they know something I don't.

I think just about everyone reaches an age where it becomes pretty obvious that the deck is stacked.

originally posted by: TearThePod
a reply to: Jay-morris

Thanks for your reply. If you continued reading, I apologized for my grammar comment to the person directly. I realized I was being a dick. And corrected it.
Calling me weak-minded is also a personal attack. And just as uncalled for.
Where do you get your information pertaining to your claim that the Rebels are as good as fallen? The news? How do you determine what is true and what is false then, if I am such a sheep for using the same source. Honest question.

The "government lies" I believe in could have to do with the fact that I am in a position to see some of what has been talked about directly. I am by no means an official source, but chances are I have been involved in things most haven't, and I have a unique perspective on world events. I am only taking available information and trying to determine what is most likely to be the truth. I am not soaking in MSM lies. If I happen to have a viewpoint that lines up with the narrative, then so be it. That doesn't make me a government shill, or a fool, or a sheep. I am an active member on a conspiracy website trying to find the truth, like (most) everyone else here.

I'll ask you again. What is the end game? Show me evidence that points to a conspiracy here. Cite NATO lies that damage their credibility. I see plenty of claims but nobody ever wants to cite something proven. To be fair, I haven't dug a ton. So educate me.
Also, I believe this is relevant to this thread. Who is responsible for the spy attack in England, if not Russia?
If there is enough evidence, or at least smoke, that points away from the official stories discussed then I am open to them. We're all looking for the truth here.

I told you I do not know the end game! It could be a number of things. I cannot read these sociopaths minds, so we eill see how it plays out.

But the weak minded were fooled by the media/government when it came to Iraq.

The weak minded were fooled by the media/governments when it came to Libya.

How many deaths is the West responsible for with these two ilegal acts alone? Both times the lied and decieved the public, with a little help from the mainstream media. But people do not learn, they never bloody learn!! They just go with the flow!

As for Russia poisoning the x spy and his daughter in my country (UK) it is suspicious to say the least.

No one has seen the victims since it happened

A Russian relative was denied a visa to come and see the victims.

There are photos of experts in protected gear, head cover and the rest, while in the same area we see firemen right behind them with just there normal uniforms in!

With have Russia holding the world cup round the corner which eill generate a huge amount of money for Russia, so Putin decided to do this just before a world cup and risk everything. Tickets are already down by a huge amount since this happened.

If you do not find any of these strange, then you never will!

originally posted by: TearThePod
a reply to: Fermy

So if this is an elaborate scheme, which I am open to, then what is there to gain from staging this specific event?
Why are we (United States and allies, NATO, etc.) organizing, or at the very least sponsoring, or flat out staging, chemical attacks on cities in Syria?
Help me make sense of it. Everyone is screaming false flag like they know something I don't.

Project for the new American Century is a clue: 2 minute video outlining the plans since 9/11: www.youtube.com...

Also, Russia needs Syria for a pipeline which keeps Russia and arguably China energy independent.

Is that enough info to provide evidence as to why the chemical attack is a false flag?

Also, since trump is not wanting to hang out there, they (deep state for lack of a better term) needs to up the ante to keep their hegemony going.

a reply to: TearThePod


www.censoo.com...

genelenergy.com... Kurdistan oilfields, no wonder Turkey is attacking the Kurds.

That's about Genel, I'm taking it as correct spelling and not to be confused with Genie energy:

genieoilgas.com...

There's some high stakes reasons. note the presence of Richard Cheney on the advisory board, among others.

Genie are after the oil in the Golan heights.

Turkey was rumoured to have been buying Syrian oil while ISIS were in control of the fields, Putin attacked the convoys travelling into Turkey, Turkey shot down a Russian jet, Erdogans family were on the board of the national energy company. This is going back a while. there was a (farcebook?) post by someone high up in the US military stating this, Dana something was his name.

originally posted by: TearThePod
a reply to: Fermy

What dominance do we have in Iraq and Libya? We haven't known our head from our a$$ in Iraq for quite some time. Geographical strength is a legitimate point. One that the rest of the world powers share, such as Russia. There are dozens of tactical and financial advantages in being in that part of the world. But stability is key in order to secure a long term gain, and that certainly isn't the case in those nations. So if this is an elaborate scheme, which I am open to, then what is there to gain from staging this specific event?
Why are we (United States and allies, NATO, etc.) organizing, or at the very least sponsoring, or flat out staging, chemical attacks on cities in Syria?
Help me make sense of it. Everyone is screaming false flag like they know something I don't.

Well, the West destroyed Iraq and libya! Yes they put in their puppet governments, but they are hell holes now! Well done the West!

The west want Assad gone, what a good way to do it by making out that Russia is to blame for everything, including the weather, and claim Assad dropped another bomb, when he did not have too. Throw in the mainstream media BS, and you will have 98% of the public on their side. Done it with Iraq and libya. Both ilegal wars responsible for thousands of deaths. We we punished? Of course not@

a reply to: Jay-morrisfeeding the appetite of the military industrial complex and fattening the bank accounts of its investors.

a reply to: Harpua

Eyes wide open good work

a reply to: Jay-morris

So, the media is owned and operated by shady individuals. We agree on that. However, I would surmise that if these claims are true, then they are being done so well that they are fooling the media as well as the public.
I don't know where you live, but half of the media in the Unites States would love to crucify the other half. Cooperation between someone like Rachel Maddow and Chris Tucker is a joke.
Unlike some, I think their main motivation is attracting and retaining viewership for advertising profit, not doing the bidding of shadow governments (although that is possible also). Either way would lead to slanted reporting and flat out false journalism at times.

I still don't buy the false flag claim here. Just because it doesn't make sense to you to use chemical weapons at this point in time doesn't mean much. We aren't world leaders, and most likely, we don't think like world leaders (I've always thought you had to be a special kind of crazy to crave such power, and gave up trying to reason with their rationale). No doubt false flags are real. But this just doesn't seem like one to me. I never thought I'd see the day where there were people defending Assad and Putin and victimizing them.

But at least we have found some common ground I think, however small a patch.