British Knife Legislation Proposals

a reply to: seagull
It honestly was nasty days, had one a few years ago and the whole community was outraged/saddened with the perp.
British people are violent for sure but we've got better in my world, I just grieve for places like London with broken communities which seem to have not got better.
I'd pay more tax to help those communities.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Seen The Levellers live 12 times - incredible live band.

Been to lots of festivals, mainly back in the late 80's and all through the 90's.
Not been to one in a while, the whole scene seems far too commercialised now - Beautiful Days being one of the few exceptions.

I'll give you a shout closer to the day and hopefully sort something out.

a reply to: seagull

Got glassed on top of the head back in the 80's that required 18 stitches.
Got a lump bit out of my back a few weeks later in the same venue.
Got slashed back in the 80's as well but fortunately had thick clothing on and it only grazed my skin.
Someone tried to stab me back in the 90's.

Had numerous serious confrontations with people during my years doing door work and running my own security firm.

If you move in certain circles then these sort of things can only be expected.

Like we've said, the UK can be a very violent place.

a reply to: Freeborn
Ah the Levellers are always an amazing shout of the Beautiful Days weekend, and always last night headliners.
Nobody knifey there, good people

Thanks for heads up - knew nothing of this and work for the originator of forrest schools - whole point is to teach children to respect each other, nature and what can be deadly weapons - never had an incidident in 40 years of young offenders.

Personally usually have Gerber (machette but far better - had to fill in a tiny bit of paperwork but it's about 2ft long and will slice a leg off like butter (use for felling inch trees/brach in two/three swipes), axes of various sizes, obscure chissles, 4 smaller knnives forwood work, kindling making, tool making, two chainsaws as standard - never had any problem with police or going through festival/ferry security) - Gerbers should rightly be checked as unless you're fully trained/can call in an air ambulance/part of armed forces or affiliate there's little/no use)

We will bollock the government again.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Meanwhile in Texas, we recently made it legal to carry a sword on your back.

You don't already? - we've been doing that for thousands of years. My favourite is using swords on fire. - All after several pints of cider, naturally. youtu.be...

We have the luxury of a beautiful and well managed estate with incredible views, so arriving and choosing where to pitch your tent can take some time. Once youve done that stroll up to The Shattered Shield where a warm welcome awaits old comrades and new friends. Feast, drink and game with us before sleeping under the stars.

Each day begins with us sharing breakfast after which we'll warm up and enjoy a host of activities - medieval swordfighting, knife and axe throwing, kung fu, rope dart, lasso, whip, archery, kubotan, drumming workshops, bow-battles, tug-of- war and games from the last 1000 years.

a reply to: bastion

Lol, I said similar earlier, just focused on the reasons why we are carrying sharps.
British law is cool enough, but carrying in a kitbag is prob the sensible option, if only to avoid distraction.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Kester

I guess it's universal.



No one is addressing the behavior of individuals, they are only focusing on the tools.


I see this as lazy and an attempt at control rather than addressing the actual problem.

You reckon thats bad - wait until the poms try to figure out how the # they are going to cut up that beautiful medium-rare T-bone steak?

They'll be screwed - they'll have to use a plastic spork or their bare hand - LOL, they'll get frustrated soon enough with all the sauce running everywhere.

Instead of addressing the retards, the UK (and US) government will simply force taxpayers to be treated like criminals, therefore eliminating having to address root causes.

Pathetic

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
wait until the poms try to figure out how the # they are going to cut up that beautiful medium-rare T-bone steak?

They'll be screwed - they'll have to use a plastic spork or their bare hand - LOL, they'll get frustrated soon enough with all the sauce running everywhere.

The sauce will be dripping from our chins as we chew it like apes with our teeth, held in our hands.

EDIT
...at that point you start worrying , maybe not about me though, health issues so glad my son is a forward rugby player, we're safe in our team lol

...oh and we share an 8 foot walled courtyard as well, best neighbours you could share it with is your 20 something son and his bird.
Pity so many young people are so disconnected from their family/parents.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

You reckon thats bad - wait until the poms try to figure out how the # they are going to cut up that beautiful medium-rare T-bone steak?

We'll just use our hands, we're pretty adaptable.

Instead of addressing the retards, the UK (and US) government will simply force taxpayers to be treated like criminals, therefore eliminating having to address root causes.

Its my opinion, for what little its worth, that the UK government(s) are complicit in producing 'the retards' - a topic for another thread I think.

Pathetic

As is all the Pom / Limey baiting that seems so prevalent at present.

a reply to: Freeborn
Meh,Beautiful Days man

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: bastion

Lol, I said similar earlier, just focused on the reasons why we are carrying sharps.
British law is cool enough, but carrying in a kitbag is prob the sensible option, if only to avoid distraction.

Definitely, always in a bergen, usually in my SAS smock (I'm not SAS, not even army would have me due to epilepsy but done The Special Forces Experience four times now - run by 22 ex-SAS in memory of the SF who died doing the fan dance in too hot weather in 2012. Was a gift from 25169234 for almost beating the front DS despite me loadbearing 55lb + water (had trained hard for months, studied map inside out, had every single step planned out to make the time to the mile weather depedent - got lucky on a nice wet day (perfect conditions for me - the newbies we're trying to find their location and route - a lot got caught 20 mins into it after knocking on locals houses and asking for directions when meant to be doing evading capture.

The gerber lives in a padded metal braced pouch in my bergen - inside a teflon (I think?) 2cm thick shealth with multiple clips to keep it from moving a millimetre - it's only out when used (by myself alone) with lanyard and no kids and adults not allowed within 5m.

Been stopped by police (if you can call it that) when I was still out at 3am sitting down under a tree having breather after hitting the wall carrying 30kg (and bumping into a few too many mates in the pub half way) - I waved hello to the van on approach (as obvs would look dodgy) - they did a U-turn asked if I was ok/lost/needed help - explained the situation and I was only 700m away just overdone it and taking a second to sit and figure out what curry I'm getting - they were fine, were more concerned I may be injured/homeless/delerious - once we exchanged thanks and hoping both have a safe night and that was that (was offered a lift if I wanted/required but was no need).

a reply to: Freeborn

Yep. Run in those circles and, at some point, someone is going to take their shot at you. Nature of the beast, if you will...

Fifteen years ago, I'd have said never, again. Now, when I'm older, and supposedly wiser...I kinda miss those days. Not the getting cut, or the various bumps and bruises, of which there were plenty...but the absolute rush. Adrenalin pumping, heart pounding...

Those days, in the middle to late 80's were good days. As much like the stereotyped Old West as you're likely ever to encounter in the U.S. anymore.

originally posted by: Kester

.50 calibre rifles and rapid firing rifles are also proposed to be banned...

Ahhh yes, about time, we've been averaging 30 people a day being killed with .50cal rifles in our town...

...no, wait, sorry, I must be confusing that with "stuff that has never happened".

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Irishhaf

Believe it or not, I'm pretty much free to do whatever I want, when I want, as long as what I do doesn't have a negative impact on anyone else.
Obviously there are some things that I have to be a bit more 'discreet' about, but.....

I have no problems with our gun control laws or legislation relating to knife ownership etc.
Neither do I have any desire to moralise to Americans about their gun control laws.

The UK has many social issues and some of these are at the core of what is fuelling the recent spate of killings in London.

We need to start admitting that we have these problems and start addressing these core issues free from the PC restraints and dictates that seem to oversee every aspect of our society at present.

As I tried to get across in another thread, the problem isn't with guns, knives, bricks, pointy sticks, or any other item that might be used to kill someone. The problem is with a culture that doesn't value life the same as normal people. Once they disregard life as a precious commodity, killing is easy and any tool will do.

I honestly thought "knife legislation" was a joke. This is sad on the level that it won't do a thing to deal with those who I mentioned above. They will still kill, or have the desire to, even though it's also illegal.

you can't legislate morality.

originally posted by: Kester
PROPOSALS FOR NEW KNIFE OFFENCES

A. Creating offences to prevent knives being sold online and being delivered to a private residential address and ensuring age and identity of the purchaser are checked

Knives would be sent to a collection point and purchasers would have to produce identification papers when picking up.


B. Making it an offence to possess certain weapons in private


"Weapons" held for cultural, artistic or religious reasons and those held by collectors may be subject to registration. Many large blades are agricultural tools. Axes are mostly used for wood processing. I find the use of the word weapons rather ignorant.

Theatrical suppliers would be affected. Interesting 'point' here.

“What about plastic blades?”

I don’t carry them. Plastic breaks more easily than steel, and then you have a very sharp stick with the same potential for danger as a real weapon. Steel is safer.

weaponsofchoice.com...


C. Making it an offence to possess a knife or offensive weapon in educational institutions other than schools

What is the definition of school?


D. Amending the offences of threatening with an article with a blade or point, or an offensive weapon

The new proposals are built around a theoretical "reasonable person". Seems a bit hazy.


E. Updating the definition of a flick knife

There are many knives that can be opened as quick, or almost as quick as an old flick knife. Peasant knives may fall under the proposed definition. The opening technique is at 1:45.

There are proposals for acid and corrosive liquid restrictions.

.50 calibre rifles and rapid firing rifles are also proposed to be banned. I don't use them for bushcraft much but I'd like to know a few of my neighbours had them in case of rogue government.


Comment here from the Forest School Association.

. . . a threat is open to interpretation. For example some one may be holding a knife pointing toward someone a distance away and the person may interpret this as threatening even though the person holding the knife is not doing this in a threatening way. This needs to be reworded to avoid any misuse of this law change.

www.forestschoolassociation.org...


There's too much vagueness in these new knife legislation proposals.

We need more constables doing what they do best, not wishy-washy ignorant townie knee jerk amendments with openings for abuse.

How do y'all open taped boxes?

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Kester

.50 calibre rifles and rapid firing rifles are also proposed to be banned...

Ahhh yes, about time, we've been averaging 30 people a day being killed with .50cal rifles in our town...

...no, wait, sorry, I must be confusing that with "stuff that has never happened".

LOL! I always laugh at the.50 cal ban people....pretty sure we are up to zero kills in Atlanta with them since they were created.....but but but....the potential is there for someone hiding behind an engine block to be blown away!

a reply to: Kester

Ridiculous acts of an equally ridiculous nanny state.

Sounds pretty hopeless to me...

a reply to: Kester

A knife or cutting tool is one of the oldest, if not the oldest, tools humans have. Without it, where would we be?

If the object were so bad, why then are we even here? Would we not have destroyed ourselves by now? Stabbed each other into extinction? Yet, we've been to the moon. Cured diseases. Developed instant worldwide communication.

But suddenly we can't handle that which has been at our side for thousands of years? Horse s***.

a reply to: ABNARTY

Or firearms/self-defense.

Can't have the UK sheeple harming precious criminals, right?

originally posted by: TDawg61
What's next,spoons?Soon you won't have any cutlery left!

a friend and i had a conversation well over 20 years ago. about the trying to ban guns and gun control. we said it would not help, and next they would need to ban knives. my friend then said "the day they ban knives, i'm going to kill someone with a spoon".

seriously banning knives is even more stupid than banning guns. not tp mention all the other populat tools used to hurt and kill. just wait for registration of baseball bats. and needing to inform police when you plan to take your baseball bat to another location. and background checks and mental health checks for anyone wanting to purchase and use other items such as hammers, crowbars, wrenches, tire change tools, axes, hatchets, chainsaws, knitting needles, statues and trophies, cars, the list can virtually go one forever until EVERYTHING is banned or controlled. right down to picking up a stick or a rock off the ground, could get you shot by jumpy police.