The Secret Military Moon Base Probably Actually Exists

There are tons of videos uploaded by amateurs with powerful telescopes showing what appear to be crafts zipping in and out of craters and what have you.

Suppose they all could be fake. *shrug*

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: neutronflux

well if they didnt notice the US government trafficking arms all over the world and selling coc aine back into the states then why would they bat an eyelid at them buying up kerosene !

never mind the fact they could just make it themselves

As far as I can tell the only way anyone ever seems to notice anything the government does is if the Mainstream Media (and to a much lesser extent, the alternative media) covers it and keeps talking about it. If the media isn't covering it, it's essentially ignored for the most part.

originally posted by: ultimafule
There are tons of videos uploaded by amateurs with powerful telescopes showing what appear to be crafts zipping in and out of craters and what have you.

Suppose they all could be fake. *shrug*

Good point - this is the video I got on the first hit at youtube. The 'ufo' footage starts at about 4:15.



The footage looks authentic even...

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: neutronflux

well if they didnt notice the US government trafficking arms all over the world and selling coc aine back into the states then why would they bat an eyelid at them buying up kerosene !

never mind the fact they could just make it themselves

As far as I can tell the only way anyone ever seems to notice anything the government does is if the Mainstream Media (and to a much lesser extent, the alternative media) covers it and keeps talking about it. If the media isn't covering it, it's essentially ignored for the most part.

Lest start simple. How is the military communicating to and from the dark side of the moon unnoticed?

originally posted by: JEKS1979
a reply to: Outlier13

I resonate with what you are suggesting.

The idea of a secret space program would be a crazy idea to me had I not seen what flew over my house 8 or 9 years ago - it was a saucer with a cut out (notch on one edge) and to me it was man made (bizarrely had nav lights) and was totally silent - on that basis I am pretty convinced that the USA and UK are collaborating on and new forms of propulsion which are literally like something from a sci fi movie. FYI I have a degree in Aerospace.

I have witnessed a saucer and various other 'ufo' type craft as well.
So I know that stuff is real.

I have no idea how that technology plays into all of this though. My idea in crafting this thread was to show that the government planned multiple moon bases 60-70 years ago and even could accomplish creating them somewhat cheaply with conventional technology.

Have to ask:

What military advantage do people think there is by having a base on the Moon?

1) Spying down on Earth - Nope. Sorry, much easier to do with satellites that are much closer, or even geosynchronous orbit...which is much closer than the 250,000 miles then moon is.

2) Using weapons from the Moon - Absolutely no tactical advantage at all. Anything sent from the Moon, be it nuclear missiles to high kinetic energy weapons (shooting rocks or junk at orbital speeds), will take literally days to reach the Earth....which the enemy can see coming just fine, and will have plenty of time to either intercept, and/or evacuate the intended target(s).

3) Resources - Nope, sorry. With the exception of things like H3, any and all materials on the Moon are in abundance in the Earth's crust and cost a LOT less to mine and extract that trying to bring it from the Moon.

Considering the cost of building and maintaining such a base, and the obvious amount of re-supply cost, I'm not really seeing any advantage to having it as far as military ones go.

Not really seeing the advantage here, other than for manned planetary flights, and even then, it would be better to have that in orbit about the Earth.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: neutronflux

well if they didnt notice the US government trafficking arms all over the world and selling coc aine back into the states then why would they bat an eyelid at them buying up kerosene !

never mind the fact they could just make it themselves

As far as I can tell the only way anyone ever seems to notice anything the government does is if the Mainstream Media (and to a much lesser extent, the alternative media) covers it and keeps talking about it. If the media isn't covering it, it's essentially ignored for the most part.

Lest start simple. How is the military communicating to and from the dark side of the moon unnoticed?

How does the military communicate with nuclear submarines unnoticed? How do they protect their communications from enemies?

What are you getting at here?

a reply to: eriktheawful

Project Horizon's stated interests included these types of goals:

to serve as a base for exploration of the moon, for further exploration into space and for military operations on the moon if required; and to support scientific investigations on the moon.

In a lot of ways it's probably similar to the cost - benefit ratio of setting up a base in Antarctica. You'd basically flush a bunch of $$$ for purely scientific and exploratory reasons, and just to throw a flag down and say that's our spot.

a reply to: muzzleflash

All of which can be done much cheaper with robotic probes, which do not require food, water and air.

So, other than scientific curiosity........not seeing the need for "Secret Moon Base"

Why have it secret at all? Other than "because the public's interest dropped off" as far as manned exploration of the Moon.

Again: There is absolutely NO military advantage at all by having a base on the Moon.

What would be much more advantageous is: Platforms in Earth orbit.

a reply to: eriktheawful

You cannot argue with somebody that deals in faith and innuendo instead of cited facts and logic.

Fantasy sales, reality is boring....

originally posted by: neutronflux


The opening post showed shuttles hardy big enough for two people. How are they holding enough cargo for a moon base? What did they build the landing strip on moon out of? Concrete sets up in space? Heavy metal plates? Show were those shuttles were designed to lift off from the moon?

It also showed a picture of Moonbase Alpha from Gerry Anderson's Space 1999. I think the images are illustrative rather than literal.

a reply to: midnightstar


when you can reduce the cargo mass to almost zero within the field the Tris produce you cabuild bases.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: eriktheawful

You cannot argue with somebody that deals in faith and innuendo instead of cited facts and logic.

I see you aren't able to make any valid arguments at all, and so now resort to personal attacks.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Have to ask:

What military advantage do people think there is by having a base on the Moon?

1) Spying down on Earth - Nope. Sorry, much easier to do with satellites that are much closer, or even geosynchronous orbit...which is much closer than the 250,000 miles then moon is.

well the advantage would be that the moon-based observers wouldn't have to worry about all the other orbital satellites crowded around, and spying on, each other. also a moon-based station would be that much further away from pesky militarized satellite destroying space weapons. distance itself from the scrum would inherently be advantageous. the 'high ground' is always superior.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: neutronflux

well if they didnt notice the US government trafficking arms all over the world and selling coc aine back into the states then why would they bat an eyelid at them buying up kerosene !

never mind the fact they could just make it themselves

As far as I can tell the only way anyone ever seems to notice anything the government does is if the Mainstream Media (and to a much lesser extent, the alternative media) covers it and keeps talking about it. If the media isn't covering it, it's essentially ignored for the most part.

Lest start simple. How is the military communicating to and from the dark side of the moon unnoticed?

How does the military communicate with nuclear submarines unnoticed? How do they protect their communications from enemies?

What are you getting at here?

A base on the dark side the moon cannot transmit or receive through the moon. It would need a relay station or satellite.

Any broadcast from the moon would be the equivalent of a beacon.

A sub will not transmit if it does not want to give it’s position away. To receive higher frequency radio waves, the sub must go to periscope debt, and raise an antennae. A sub can get messages from very low frequencies that use the surface of the earth, but these frequencies will not transmit through a vacuum.


Again, how would base on the dark side of the moon broadcast unnoticed?

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: neutronflux


The opening post showed shuttles hardy big enough for two people. How are they holding enough cargo for a moon base? What did they build the landing strip on moon out of? Concrete sets up in space? Heavy metal plates? Show were those shuttles were designed to lift off from the moon?

It also showed a picture of Moonbase Alpha from Gerry Anderson's Space 1999. I think the images are illustrative rather than literal.

Thanks for telling me where that was from. I think I'll look that up and watch it later today if I have time.

Because I knew nothing about those 2 photos they were in a sense 'illustrative only' and speculative. There are also other artist renderings that I posted which show astronauts walking around moon bases etc.

There is a reason I titled it "Probably", because I'm making an educated guess based off all the stuff I know we did develop way in the past. Thanks again for the info!

originally posted by: RoScoLaz5

originally posted by: eriktheawful
Have to ask:

What military advantage do people think there is by having a base on the Moon?

1) Spying down on Earth - Nope. Sorry, much easier to do with satellites that are much closer, or even geosynchronous orbit...which is much closer than the 250,000 miles then moon is.

well the advantage would be that the moon-based observers wouldn't have to worry about all the other orbital satellites crowded around, and spying on, each other. also a moon-based station would be that much further away from pesky militarized satellite destroying space weapons. distance itself from the scrum would inherently be advantageous. the 'high ground' is always superior.

Isn’t there a chance that any given country will launch a probe to the moon? Don’t other countries study the dark side of the moon?

originally posted by: neutronflux

Again, how would base on the dark side of the moon broadcast unnoticed?

No one said it had to be on the far side of the moon.
Not sure where you're getting that from.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Don’t other countries study the dark side of the moon?

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

Not when the "high ground" is a quarter of a million miles away and always moving position, making your targeting that much more complex, and easy to detect on it's way.

There really is no tactical advantage there.

If it was so easy for all of you to spot, it would have been child's play for other countries: who would have screamed their heads off to the world about it because of several treaties that the US signed with other nations.