Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

Oh my god. Again. Again. Have you all been living in a hole in the ground?
They don't need no law. Ever since the second world war (the digital era made it so much easier) the US agencies have been reaping (could be raping is a better word) information and data from the UKs people and its dependencies. This has been done with the tacit agreement of the government. Nothing illegal and if they find anything worthy they notify the British agencies. This method allows the British agencies to truthfully deny that they are spying on their own people.
This same method is used by the British agencies. The Brits spy on US citizens and institutions etc. and when the find anything they inform the US agencies. Nothing illegal and the US agencies can honestly say "we do not spy on any US people". Correct, they don't Britain does it for them.
Don't need no law for something that already being done and has been done for decades.

This is the man that David Rockefeller and Baron Rothschild lauded as a 'man of use' and have groomed to do the job he has been doing for the last year. Why are people surprised?

He is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing; the banks and the corporations got huge breaks, he and his family made bank so far, the civil rights are being eroded daily while everyone is entertained by the reality show he puts up as a distraction.

It is his job to tear down this empire so another one can rise. And he was picked because he is the only one crazy enough to institute nation-wide martial law when the time comes.

Everything is going exactly as planned. Were any of you really so naive as to think you had two choices?

a reply to: projectvxn

This will give the coming world court to determine who the Christians are. Bring it on.
Things are rapidly moving toward the one world beast system. That is all this is and only gets me excited because it means we are that much closer seeing the evil beast overturned. I pray I am alive to witness their demise. Justice is coming people.

originally posted by: projectvxn

-Enable foreign police to collect and wiretap people's communications from U.S. companies, without obtaining a U.S. warrant.

-Allow foreign nations to demand personal data stored in the United States, without prior review by a judge.

-Allow the U.S. president to enter "executive agreements" that empower police in foreign nations that have weaker privacy laws than the United States to seize data in the United States while ignoring U.S. privacy laws.

-Allow foreign police to collect someone's data without notifying them about it.

-Empower U.S. police to grab any data, regardless if it's a U.S. person's or not, no matter where it is stored.

Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

This is what Donald Trump signed into freakin' law today. Everyone is making a #show out of illegal immigration when THIS is what just became law. Giving FOREIGN cops power to take our data without warrants, which then allows OUR cops to use the data against us, bypassing the 4th amendment entirely.

What kind of anti-American garbage is this?

Thanks for nothing Trump.

I hope Rand Paul challenges you next election. I'm done with you.

No one read this garbage bill, by the way. Not even POTUS himself.

It was attached as an amendment. This should bring us all together. Not against Trump, but against the machine he is the leader of that works tirelessly to destroy our rights.

You can't have my guns, my speech, any other rights. I will entertain no argument that seeks to restrict ANY rights, ever. I am done with this kind of garbage.

"Thanks for nothing Trump" ...R I G H T... Blame Trump instead of blaming the pathetic, and one might say corrupt, system the US runs under whereby a whopping 2,000-page bill is given out a day before it's to be signed into law.

a reply to: Cygnis

Very much so. I can't imagine this passing the Constitutional muster that is the SC.

If it does, Trumps toast. So, too, should Congress be.

a reply to: projectvxn

You voted for him. You paid the price.

a reply to: projectvxn

THIS IS SOME BULL #!


Why isn't fox or cnn reporting on this???

a reply to: projectvxn

Our government needs some consecutive normal punches right about now.

It appears from reading through this thread that a lot of people are surprised by this. Why?

This is just the same old # that's been going on for the last two decades. It really began in earnest right after 9/11 (or at least that's when the general public got it's first real glimpse of it).

Not saying it isn't horrible news but it's not really news. If you've been paying attention at all you know Trump is nothing different. He's just GWB and BHO with a different face and a different character to play. Obviously, they're all the same. They have all been the same for a very long time. Nothing will change except how much they allow the public to know and when they allow us to know it.

Trump is kind of a bread and circuses version of GWB. He keeps people distracted with his seeming "clueless buffoon who wants to be a president but is too dumb" act and his charismatic antics on Twitter and his banter with the media (who supposedly hates him but doesn't really).

You could almost be forgiven that this is the most powerful person on the planet and that's no joke.

a reply to: carewemust

This is one time I am glad I was fooled...

If there is any silver lining here, there probably won't be any massive abuse of this particular law in the near future. Why? Because it would cause a real stink and an outcry.

Nope. It will just be there waiting for the citizens of the future, along with all the rest of the cumulative police state legislation that's been passed. They generally don't start abusing it right off the bat. Because they have more of these laws they want to pass and famous examples of abuse would possibly hinder that.

If these laws are going to be challenged, they're going to have to be challenged on their fundamental wrongness. If you're going to wait for them to "abuse" them, you could be waiting a long time.

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: projectvxn

You voted for him. You paid the price.

Did you say that the last admin? The one before that?

Did you think Hillary would have fixed the country and rode in on unicorns and rainbows?

You realize this affects everyone and not just those who voted for him right?

What an asinine comment.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: projectvxn

Our government needs some consecutive normal punches right about now.

I'll opt for a Serious Punch.

Yeah, I'm that pissed.

a reply to: eNaR

He had the opportunity to veto this disgusting legislation.

He did not KNOWING it was garbage.

Whatever happened to "The buck stops here"?

originally posted by: glend
I love trump. He is the smartest man he knows. But he has real problem sorting his book colleciton. Someone need tell him that George Orwell's 1984 book belongs on the fiction shelf. its not a dummy's guide for running governments.

He was right about the Marxist style totalitarian takeover using the media and 'thought police'.

Huxley's "A Brave New World" is their real playbook for what the citizenry will resemble when we make it to where they are pushing us.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Do you honestly think the media is dumb enough to not know that their overwhelmingly negative coverage of Trump is driving his supporters deeper into their devotion to him?

If they're smart enough to fool millions into hating him then what makes you think they haven't done the same thing except in the opposite direction with Trump's supporters?

Their coverage of Trump serves a purpose, to radicalize the two camps against each other. It's working pretty well, I guarantee you one of the first reasons a Trump supporter will give for their support is the media's coverage of him. If you don't think the media is aware of this then you don't give them enough credit. They know what they're doing.

i don't know why people think they have TOTAL privacy with any communication device, it's an antiquated notion from the literal horse and buggy days.....maybe this might teach people to be discreet and thoughtful in their communication with others.....most of your information has already been hacked or compromised in some form already.....

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: eNaR

He had the opportunity to veto this disgusting legislation.

He did not KNOWING it was garbage.

Whatever happened to "The buck stops here"?

Did you read the linked to page? Where it says:

Those are the words of Jim McGovern, representative for Massachusetts and member of the House of Representatives Committee on Rules, when, after 8:00 PM EST on Wednesday, he and his colleagues were handed a 2,232-page bill to review and approve for a floor vote by the next morning.

In the final pages of the bill—meant only to appropriate future government spending—lawmakers snuck in a separate piece of legislation that made no mention of funds, salaries, or budget cuts. Instead, this final, tacked-on piece of legislation will erode privacy protections around the globe.

Sure he had to know that something nefarious was SNUCK into the bill and were given a whole 12 hours or so to read. Face it, you hate Trump and thus your comment.

...actually it was taking soooo long that I didn't a triple post so this is deleted too.

...removed due to the webpage taking so long to post that I thought it crapped out and did a double post....