Detailed Parkland Shooting Timeline (from various sources)

a reply to: MotherMayEye

That's what I'm thinking... But it doesn't say who authorized it or who actually activated it.

I'd like to know the exact protocol for a fire alarm as opposed to a "Code Red." Peterson said he called for a "Code Red;"
did an administrator mistakenly activate the fire alarm instead? Or is the same fire alarm also used for a "Code Red" followed by a message over the PA? This still doesn't clear up the confusion about the two different alarms...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

That's what I'm thinking... But it doesn't say who authorized it or who actually activated it.

I'd like to know the exact protocol for a fire alarm as opposed to a "Code Red." Peterson said he called for a "Code Red;"
did an administrator mistakenly activate the fire alarm instead? Or is the same fire alarm also used for a "Code Red" followed by a message over the PA? This still doesn't clear up the confusion about the two different alarms...

Sounding a fire alarm seems like it would be forbidden in the event of a school shooter...everyone will walk out of their classrooms instead of taking cover.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Does this mean someone in the Administration Building (Building 1) set off the fire alarm???

What do you think this means:

14:23:22 -- BSO Dispatch 8A -- Alert tone sounded for 17J3 (Peterson)...

Would this be the first he was notified of a shooter on campus by BSO? Or just the first he was contacted by BSO?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sounding a fire alarm seems like it would be forbidden in the event of a school shooter...everyone will walk out of their classrooms instead of taking cover.

You'd think so, right?

But if the alarm had been set off in Bldg 1200 -- either deliberately, or as a result of the smoke -- then wouldn't it be noted as such?

So either the "location" cited in the timeline is wrong, or someone made a big boo-boo.

Something else I noticed and just checked to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering is that this timeline placed Peterson at the southeast corner of Building 1200... but the the sheriff originally said that Peterson went to the west side of the building. Given Peterson's location in the admin bldg, it makes sense since the southeast corner of Bldg 1200 is the closest point to the admin bldg. But that's not what the sheriff originally said.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Does this mean someone in the Administration Building (Building 1) set off the fire alarm???

What do you think this means:

14:23:22 -- BSO Dispatch 8A -- Alert tone sounded for 17J3 (Peterson)...

Would this be the first he was notified of a shooter on campus by BSO? Or just the first he was contacted by BSO?

I have no idea what that means. I need to go back and listen to the audio, again.

There are almost too many questions to discuss.

Someone with a gunshot wound to the right leg who made it all the way to the west side of the football field? Multiple reports of gunshots at the football field?

What's with the gunshot victim stuck in the fence on the west side of Westglades Middle School ...almost a half mile away and also close to the football field? That victim described the shooter as wearing a hoodie.



Do I have this mapped out correctly?

a reply to: Boadicea

And I really don't understand the 20/26 minute delayed video thing now. Police were already in the building at least 12 minutes before other police thought they were watching the shooter in real time.

This is headache inducing stuff.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

That looks correct to me... I haven't listened to the audio yet, I'm going to do that soon.

Something else I noted is that it says Cruz was dropped off south of the campus. As near as I can tell, that means the parking lot entrance at the southeast corner of the school along Coral Springs (which is Pine Island Road north of the school). The initial reports said he ran out the west side of the building, and then ran south, which would fit with this report of him being spotted in the southwest corner of the school. So as near as I can tell, he was never reported to be anywhere near the football field or the boundary with the middle school... nor was he ever on Pine Island Road, north of the school.

We've been told repeatedly that Cruz was wearing his ROTC shirt, so the "hoodie" shooter couldn't have been Cruz.

And there are apparently cameras in the stairwells, since this report mentions observing Cruz dropping his weapons in the third floor stairwell. So my theory is blown out of the water... which brings me back to your theory about the bathroom, but I'm having a hard time pinpointing the location of the bathrooms in the building. I thought I'd seen a diagram locating them next to the stairwells but I can't find that now.

a reply to: Boadicea

Bathrooms indicated here:


And the first floor one is indicated here:



IF these are correct...

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

And I really don't understand the 20/26 minute delayed video thing now. Police were already in the building at least 12 minutes before other police thought they were watching the shooter in real time.

This is headache inducing stuff.

Yeah, I never understood that to begin with. There's no purpose for any kind of automatic default delay playback... that would have to be specifically requested/programmed.

And, according to the timeline, by the time they were viewing the video, there shouldn't have been any shooting for about half an hour. Yet no one mentions this, and it seems that they continue operating on the premise of an "active" shooter. There is no mention of when LE knew that Cruz had left the campus either.

I also find this part crazy:

ALL Parkland cellular 911 calls are routed to the Coral Springs Communications Center. Coral Springs is then tasked with routing these calls to either CSFD for fire rescue and/ or BSO for law enforcement calls .

The first call from within the school identifying Bldg 1200 as the location of the shooter was at 14:24:32, about three minutes after the first shots were fired at 14:21:33, which then had to be relayed to the Broward dispatch, who then had to relay it to Peterson et al. So Coral Springs Police did have more and better information before Broward (and therefore Peterson) had it.

And then at 14:35 a deputy reports hearing shots fired by the football field -- seven minutes AFTER Cruz has reportedly abandoned his weapon and fled in the opposite direction. There are LEOs in various locations reporting they can hear shots fired, but no one seems able to pinpoint it to any one location, much less Bldg 1200, and they enter (or try to enter) at least 3 bldgs that I noted: 1200, 1300 & 900.

I want to know why Peterson said this five seconds after Cruz reportedly fled:

17J3 (Peterson) “Broward, Do not approach the 12 or 1300 building, stay at least 500 feet away at this point.”
Dispatch: “Stay awa y from 12 and 1300 building.”

That's pretty darn specific for something which appears so random... does that make sense? I'm pretty sure he had a reason for saying that -- and not just because "coward."

a reply to: MotherMayEye

The diagram here shows elevators too.

That's brand new information to me!

a reply to: Boadicea

Yes, yes, YES.

That's what I meant by my comment on the previous page. Peterson is, in effect, making sure no LE on the scene are within 500 yards of when the shooter (or any other possible shooter) exits.

The way it reads -- with him at the building (especially if he was actually at the west end like the sheriff first said) -- it's like he could have seen the shooter/s exit and immediately radioed that no one should come within 500 yards of the building "at this point."

And why were all the other first responders at OTHER buildings on the school campus?

And at the football field?

And at the middle school next door?

And *accidentally* reviewing delayed video from the Administration building and finally the 1200 building?

Why weren't more of the officers from the sheriff's office at building 1200? The ONLY building where the shooter was? Why were they everywhere else and pretty much only Peterson was 'fielding' Building 1200?

It's all so very hard to believe.

originally posted by: Boadicea
And, according to the timeline, by the time they were viewing the video, there shouldn't have been any shooting for about half an hour. Yet no one mentions this, and it seems that they continue operating on the premise of an "active" shooter. There is no mention of when LE knew that Cruz had left the campus either.

THANK YOU. If there was a video delay...surely they figured it out immediately. How could it NOT be obvious?

I also find this part crazy:

"ALL Parkland cellular 911 calls are routed to the Coral Springs Communications Center. Coral Springs is then tasked with routing these calls to either CSFD for fire rescue and/ or BSO for law enforcement calls ."

The first call from within the school identifying Bldg 1200 as the location of the shooter was at 14:24:32, about three minutes after the first shots were fired at 14:21:33, which then had to be relayed to the Broward dispatch, who then had to relay it to Peterson et al. So Coral Springs Police did have more and better information before Broward (and therefore Peterson) had it."

Additionally, that means all of the 911 calls released, so far, are of parents' (or people outside the school) who called from landlines to report their children/students had contacted them to tell them there was a school shooter. All, except one call, to Broward's 911 call center, originated outside the school. No firsthand 911 calls from students on cell phones. (That's where I went with that in my mind, anyway).

And then at 14:35 a deputy reports hearing shots fired by the football field -- seven minutes AFTER Cruz has reportedly abandoned his weapon and fled in the opposite direction. There are LEOs in various locations reporting they can hear shots fired, but no one seems able to pinpoint it to any one location, much less Bldg 1200, and they enter (or try to enter) at least 3 bldgs that I noted: 1200, 1300 & 900.

Yes...I noticed that in the timeline and in the audio. Again, like I said in my last comment...all the deputies were busy elsewhere freeing wounded people STUCK in fences and tending to victims SHOT IN THE LEG who ran a thousand feet to the other side of the football field while Peterson was at building 1200 *kinda iffy* about gunshots fired OR fireworks there, at first, and then he's certain it's gunfire there...he's alone...but he's insisting that no one come within 500 yards of the building "at this point."

Not buying what's being sold here.

a reply to: Boadicea

To me, it sounds like Peterson was pretty much directing responders everywhere else except building 1200.

And there were responders at the middle school, football field, building 900, building 1300...claiming to hear shots fired or have reason to believe there were shots fired in those locations.

Yet, there's not any information to explain any of it.

a reply to: Boadicea

Btw...it took 2 minutes before one of the students who called the CS 911 call center, on their cell phone, communicated they were in the 1200 building without hanging up first or having their call dropped.

I wonder how many of the 86 calls they received took place in those first two minutes.

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ETA: AH! I see now:

BSO did not receive updates concerning the suspect (i.e. number(s), location, description, activities).

Well...that makes perfect sense.

All the 'failures' are perfectly coordinated.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

So much to respond to, but let me start here real quick:

...he's alone...

Fortunately, no! There is someone with him:

In response to the firecracker call Mr. Peterson along “with Security Specialist Kelvin Greenleaf exited the 100 Building and ran north the couple of hundred yards to the 1200 Building.”

Time

So there was someone with him at least initially. I have seen nothing else about or from this guy though. I don't know if he was a sheriff deputy also or not. If he wasn't some type of LE, I'm sure Peterson would have made sure he sought cover inside -- not allowed him to stay outside.

Nor have we been told anything about the Campus Monitor who first saw Cruz "walking purposefully" toward Bldg 1200, and who presumably reported this to Peterson, although I haven't seen that specifically stated, just alluded to... we just know the Campus Monitor reported it to someone. And the timing is fuzzy to say the least, as well as the location of the sighting. Cruz entered the campus at the southeast corner, and entered Bldg 1200 thru the east entrance; where exactly did the Campus Monitor first see Cruz? Coming from what direction? Going in what direction? Did he radio Peterson immediately? Did he notify Peterson before Peterson was notified of the firecrackers call? I can find nothing that definitively states Peterson was ever notified of Cruz' presence on campus, much less a specific time.

Nor anything about what Peterson was doing prior to and at the moment the shooting started. There were reports very early that he may have been off-campus attending to something that was "happening." Present tense. This timeline states that at 14:22:30 -- a little more than one minute after the shooting started in Bldg 1200 -- Peterson was "near" the admin bldg... "near"? WTH??? I'm assuming that means outside, or a building would have been specified... so was he east of the admin bldg? South? Where? What was he doing?

Within 10 seconds the fire alarm goes off, and within 45 seconds Peterson was "heading" towards Bldg 1200 for a report of firecrackers, with the Security Specialist, Kelvin Greenleaf. I think it's safe to assume that the firecrackers were gunfire, yes? If Peterson was outside, then I'm kinda wondering if Peterson was responding to an actual report of firecrackers or his own ears... surely he must have heard it... or maybe not. I guess I don't really know.

I want to know more about the Campus Monitor and the Security Specialist... what they knew and when they knew it...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

So much to respond to, but let me start here real quick:

...he's alone...

Fortunately, no! There is someone with him:
"In response to the firecracker call Mr. Peterson along “with Security Specialist Kelvin Greenleaf exited the 100 Building and ran north the couple of hundred yards to the 1200 Building.”
Time

So there was someone with him at least initially. I have seen nothing else about or from this guy though. I don't know if he was a sheriff deputy also or not. If he wasn't some type of LE, I'm sure Peterson would have made sure he sought cover inside -- not allowed him to stay outside.

Ah ok...I remember that now. Peterson does say "we" in the dispatch audio and timeline...so I assume he was with him throughout that timeline.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Yes, yes, YES.

That's what I meant by my comment on the previous page. Peterson is, in effect, making sure no LE on the scene are within 500 yards of when the shooter (or any other possible shooter) exits.

The way it reads -- with him at the building (especially if he was actually at the west end like the sheriff first said) -- it's like he could have seen the shooter/s exit and immediately radioed that no one should come within 500 yards of the building "at this point."

Yup. Why??? There was a reason for that. What did he see? Hear? Believe? Know??? And why do I even have to ask that right now? Why wasn't that information provided to us simultaneously??? What are we not supposed to know as we throw him under the bus with no evidence except the word of a known lying liar sheriff?

And why were all the other first responders at OTHER buildings on the school campus?
And at the football field?
And at the middle school next door?

Exactly. What else was happening on and around campus? How many other locations was gunfire reported? How many other victims were there? How many different perps were described? We know these events were reported. We know that Cruz could not have committed all of them.

And *accidentally* reviewing delayed video from the Administration building and finally the 1200 building?

There are radio dispatches which indicate Peterson could not be found to access the security tapes, and another school employee provided that access... and "mistakenly" played a delayed tape instead of live... much like the fire alarm sending students and teachers into the halls was also a "mistake"? Or was it a "mistake" that the Campus Monitor who saw Cruz "walking purposefully" didn't attempt to stop Cruz? Kinda like those commercials? "Oh, I just monitor cavities... I don't fix them."

Why weren't more of the officers from the sheriff's office at building 1200? The ONLY building where the shooter was? Why were they everywhere else and pretty much only Peterson was 'fielding' Building 1200?

Well, apparently they were responding to other reports of gunfire and gunfire victims -- all at the same time as the reports of gunfire in Bldg 1200. So were these bogus calls? Distractions? Or were there actual multiple shooters in multiple locations and multiple victims -- spreading the first responders that much thinner? And confusing matters that much more?

It's all so very hard to believe.

It sure is.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Yet, there's not any information to explain any of it.

Yup. And that's the big fat red flag. What they're NOT telling us. We're being handfed cherrypicked information that looks real bad for one deputy... with no whys and wherefores to put it into context. Every seeming incriminating piece of evidence is given in a vacuum. Even as we know from the same records that there was far more going on!

Po lice union calls for Sheriff Scott Israel to come clean with Parkland shooting records

I've been (not so) patiently waiting for more information to be released about all the whys and wherefores regarding the BCSO delayed response to entering Building 1200. What we have gotten are cherry picked facts taken out of any context for a contrived reaction. Apparently I'm not the only one not happy about this:

"It's the deputies that are out on the street taking the beating," said Bell, who serves as the president of the IUPA union, which represents the rank and filed at BSO. "It's the individual deputy that is getting the comments of being called a coward and, 'Oh, you're working for the Coward County Sheriff's Office.' Those are confirmed reports."

Bell said he doesn't see that stopping until Israel stops putting out spin about the shooting and puts out the facts.

When the lying liar sheriff threw the SRO under the bus, he threw every Broward County Sheriff deputy under the same bus... while refusing to take any responsibility upon himself.

"Releasing little tidbits of information without anything to back up those points -- the only thing is does is create more speculation out there," Bell said. "You can't pick what you want to release."

He's 100% right. When facts and truth are hidden, rumors and speculation fill the void.

And as I expected, the radio dispatch transcript released by Fox is just more of the same:

While an incomplete leaked version of the dispatch notes obtained by Fox News...

Finally, the following cannot be said too much:

But deputies didn't know the location of the shooter

Just one of those pesky little details that the lying liar sheriff omitted when he oh-so-publicly named and shamed the SRO... and, in effect, each and every deputy under his pathetic and pitiable command.

Apparently that "thin blue line" means nothing to the lying liar sheriff. And that means his deputies mean nothing to him either. And that scares me more than the infamous "thin blue line." If this sheriff is willing to sacrifice his deputies for his own purposes, then the civilians in his jurisdiction don't have a chance in hell.

Which raises even more questions about what really happened before, during and after the shooting.

I'm having a very hard time believing any of this:

Shooter revealed gory fantasies to his therapists years before the Parkland massacre

And especially because of this one sentence:

A May 3, 2014, notation in a Broward County schools psychiatric file said Cruz “reported [a dream] last week of him killing people and covered in blood. He smiled and told the therapist that sometimes he says things for shock value.”

I have to call bs on this purported quote from the file. There is no way ever that such a notation was made in the third person. It wouldn't happen. It would necessarily be the therapist providing the information and who made the notation, and at most would note that Cruz told "this therapist," not "the" therapist. Further, the therapist would note the event first, and then note the "smile" under affect. The therapist would not cite the smile before the statement.

It is possible that the therapist did not literally write this notation with his own hand, but dictated the report to be transcribed, in which case the transcriptionist made the error... but I find that hard to believe as well. Medical transcriptionists understand how crucial it is to get even the smallest details correct in medical transcription. Lives depend on it. And at least when I worked as a medical transcriptionist (also legal transcription), your work is gone over with a fine tooth comb. If you make mistakes, you don't have a job. It's that simple.