Detailed Parkland Shooting Timeline (from various sources)

My question Is, why the body armor and stuff?

What's the point of lugging it around, putting it on, then ditching it before any threat shows up?

I guess he could've been hit with some instant regret or gotten scared but... idk. Seems strange. Why go through the trouble of all that extra stuff if you plan on ditching it before utilising it?

originally posted by: SR1TX
lmao please.

This kid is a patsy.

6 minutes to armor/load up - disembark - then makes it out - with the other students?

The original reports were that shooter has a gas mask or something too.

Eh.. All Sheep.

Ok, just a guy with 15 years in the US Army here, but:

2 seconds to unzip bag
5 seconds to assemble the rifle, lock and load
3 seconds to don a mask
2 seconds to put on helmet and snap secure
2 seconds to put on a vest

14 seconds, assuming he had all that stuff on.

Add 6 seconds because he was nervous.

20 seconds.

I just tried it with the same stuff in a bag and did it in 9.

Been out since 2000, so I am a bit rusty.I

Have a nice day!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Where in that timeline is body armor or a helmet even mentioned? I'm a little lost as to why people are suggesting this, other than the video of the teacher saying "full metal garb" that's been circulating.

I don't think I included any of those reports in the OP, but there have been such reports since that day, and it's reasonable to consider the time it would take to don and remove such gear within the timeline.

Among the earliest such reports was from Sen Bill Nelson (D-Fl):

“The shooter wore a gas mask, and he had smoke grenades; he set off the fire alarm so the kids would come pouring out of the classrooms and into the hall, and there the carnage began,” the senior senator from Florida Bill Nelson told CNN this evening, citing the FBI as his source.

Sen. Bill Nelson: Florida School Shooter Wore Gas Mask, Launched Smoke Grenades, Pulled Fire Alarm – Update

In addition to the teacher who described "full metal garb,", another teacher on the same (3rd) floor described the shooter wearing "a helmet and a mask." There were also many media interviews with students describing predominantly masks or helmets.

It still stinks of something fishy here. How they said he just "blended in" with other students fleeing. Not very likely.

Then there's this video which has yet to be explained showing footage of police officers removing a large bag and throwing it into the back of a pickup truck:

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Does anyone know if Cruz supposedly left the scene with his duffle bag on him?

So at what point in the timeline do the 3 people get killed who were out with the building? Two were on the school grounds and one in the street, as far as I am aware.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

It still stinks of something fishy here. How they said he just "blended in" with other students fleeing. Not very likely.

Yeah, especially because by the time he fled the building, after six minutes of shooting, other students should have been hiding in their classrooms... not still fleeing the building. They may have meant that he caught up with other kids who were fleeing campus, but that's not what's being said.

Then there's this video which has yet to be explained showing footage of police officers removing a large bag and throwing it into the back of a pickup truck:

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That's one heavy bag. I wonder if anyone has a time for when the bag was removed.

Does anyone know if Cruz supposedly left the scene with his duffle bag on him?

I haven't seen any mention of it. And most reports just mention him dumping his backpack and weapon on the third floor -- I don't recall the duffel bag mentioned.

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
So at what point in the timeline do the 3 people get killed who were out with the building? Two were on the school grounds and one in the street, as far as I am aware.

Very good question, and I could not find any times for those reports, and so I didn't include them. There was one victim reported on the football field prior to the shooting in Bldg 1200 began. Very early reports said that the SRO might be off-campus taking care of something that happened, and I've wondered if it had something to do with any of those victims. Here's what the Miami Herald said:

He gunned down a dozen people inside buildings on the school’s sprawling campus, two more on the grounds, and one more on Pine Island Road as he fled.

Unless and until the logs/transcripts are released, all we get are bits and pieces from the news and authorities, with Sheriff Lying Liar threatening to never release the audio...

a reply to: CthulhuMythos

This might help us find out about those other victims:

The Miami Herald, South Florida Sun-Sentinel and CNN rightly have sued the BSO and Broward County School Board to pry loose surveillance video from the exterior of the school, showing the police response to the shooting. (The School Board says it has turned over its video to the BSO.) The media companies argue that the video recordings are of “extreme public interest.” And they are, absolutely. In addition, The Herald Sun-Sentinel and CNN want to determine for themselves whether the exemptions that the BSO cited to withhold the videos apply.

If Sheriff Israel is the “amazing” leader he says he is, he will release videos of his deputies’ actions during Parkland shooting

I certainly hope it doesn't stop with the videos though. I want to hear the police/sheriff logs -- if not see transcripts of those logs.

a reply to: Shamrock6
a reply to: Perfectenemy

a reply to: seaswine

This doesn't exactly answer your questions/comments, but it goes hand-in-hand with them, and it sure made me go "hmmmm" --

Another eyewitness walked out of the school with Cruz. Here's a question. If Cruz was the shooter and he was recognized on the 2nd floor (not wearing tactical gear) then why didn't he have blood splatter on his clothes? hands or face? No way the girl would've remained calm if he had blood splatter on his clothes or skin AND she would've said something about it in the interview. Assuming he was wearing tactical gear, no-one would have been able to recognize him. So either he was not wearing tactical gear and the teacher is lying about what she saw and a large number of students would have stated they saw him shooting or cruz was wearing tactical gear and no-one could have seen him and the authorities are blaming it on Cruz.

Source: Reddit

I'm kinda mad at myself for not thinking of it myself! If he wasn't wearing something over his clothes, then how was he not covered in blood? At least some blood? Well, unless I don my tinfoil conspiracy hat, and then I wonder if maybe Cruz didn't shoot at all and it was someone else in head-to-toe tactical gear.

But that's a whole 'nother thread...

Why does Parkland seem like Sandy Hook goes to high school?

Maybe it's the 6 minute delay in police entry...
Or the cops keeping EMS out (both of which are against active shooter protocols)
Perhaps it's the useless video system -again.
Or the warnings that "something like this could happen in my state" (Ct gov. Malloy) or that "we were warned about having a code red" (Parkland teacher and students)
Maybe it was the suppose shooter was already known to FBI (Lanza due to hacking a gov. computer)
Or that both shooters chose the same weapon, an AR 15.
Both had reports that the shooter was wearing a face mask of some sort.

I could go on but there is a distinct pattern here that does not reinforce the OS.

double post.

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
So at what point in the timeline do the 3 people get killed who were out with the building? Two were on the school grounds and one in the street, as far as I am aware.

Seems impossible if he was loading his weapon in the building and couldn't shoot through a window upstairs. Exactly how could he have shot anyone outside ?

This Washington Post article has the best diagram/map of the school that I've seen yet anywhere:

How the Florida high school shooting unfolded

I can't figure out how to post just the pic, but it's a couple scrolls down the page.

a reply to: Boadicea

If he was in the hallway and shooting into classrooms why would he have any splatter on him?

a reply to: Boadicea

The timeline still doesn't include the victims on the 3rd floor. Andrew Pollack..Meadow's Dad said his daughter was shot 9 times on the 3rd floor. He says so at the White House when talking to the President.

He went into details in one interview, i can't find that one. He said she was shot 4 times in the back and was running down the hall and fell down on another girl and then he walked up to her and she was shot 5 more times. So that's at least 2 victims on the 3rd floor. I'm not sure if the other girl survived.

He states 3rd floor during the first few seconds.


He tried to take a sniper position but when the glass didn't break, that's when he decided to flee. He didn't want to get trapped by police.

Has it been released if he was on drugs during the time of the shooting? He looked like he was during the initial arrest at the car. He looked woozy and swayed a few times. Unsteady. They took him to the hospital for a couple hours, then jail.

a reply to: Boadicea
So if he ditched his gear and weapons to calmly sneak out by blending with the crowd, how could he have shot someone out in the street as he fled? How does that make any sense?

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
So at what point in the timeline do the 3 people get killed who were out with the building? Two were on the school grounds and one in the street, as far as I am aware.

Seems impossible if he was loading his weapon in the building and couldn't shoot through a window upstairs. Exactly how could he have shot anyone outside ?

Exactly. So if he shot them before going in, then the police /campus security would have been alerted before he even got to the stairwell to ...... Calmly load up his gun and tell the kid who saw him to beat it coz things were about to get messy. At what point would someone trying to blend in and escape with cops everywhere, then go and shoot someone in the street, where there would be a huge chance of lots of witnesses and cops to take you out. Oh and then go to the mall calmly for a burger. This makes no logical sense at all.

originally posted by: Boadicea
This Washington Post article has the best diagram/map of the school that I've seen yet anywhere:

How the Florida high school shooting unfolded

I can't figure out how to post just the pic, but it's a couple scrolls down the page.

I notice they say in the text that the uber driver dropped him off carrying a soft black rifle case. Interesting how the facts are being massaged into the desired story and to associate him with the rifle. The original description was he had a black duffle bag and a back pack.

What they didn't say was where did the uber driver drop him off? Was it at the main entrance, which would be a natural drop off point for someone going to the school, or was it at the car park round at the building where the shooting was? Looks a reasonable walk from the main entrance to the other building. Wondering how that would fit into the timeline.

I don't think they put in when/where he set off the fire alarm. And finally, at the end of the text, they state that the sheriff doesn't know at which point in the timeline the people outside the building got shot, so basically just forget about that time line anomaly, just remember the graphic that explains it all and gloss over the bits that don't add up.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Boadicea

If he was in the hallway and shooting into classrooms why would he have any splatter on him?

Because not all the shooting -- and not all those shot -- were in classroms. Some kids were in the hallways due to the fire alarm going off... though it's not clear if that was deliberately set off or if it was a result of the smoke from the gunfire. At least that's how I understand it at this point.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: Boadicea

The timeline still doesn't include the victims on the 3rd floor.

You're right; I didn't want to focus on the victims yet... not until I had the timeline down. At least, as much as we know. But your point is well taken. I have seen so many articles about this tragedy which have completely omitted any details of the slaughter on the third floor. It took me a while, and a little help from one of our ATS gems, but it's out there once you start looking for it.

Andrew Pollack..Meadow's Dad said his daughter was shot 9 times on the 3rd floor. He states 3rd floor during the first few seconds.

This dad's story is far and away the absolute most heart wrenching of all. Not to minimize anyone's experience or trauma, but this is a tough one to hear.

Has it been released if he was on drugs during the time of the shooting? He looked like he was during the initial arrest at the car. He looked woozy and swayed a few times. Unsteady. They took him to the hospital for a couple hours, then jail.

I haven't heard anything about drugs one way or another -- at least not from the authorities. I read from one witness to Cruz' arrest that Cruz was vomiting on the street after he was arrested.

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
a reply to: Boadicea
So if he ditched his gear and weapons to calmly sneak out by blending with the crowd, how could he have shot someone out in the street as he fled? How does that make any sense?

It doesn't make sense. Especially with students and teachers everywhere to witness such a thing. It would have caused another panic and stampede if nothing else.

Nor does it make any sense -- as ATA already noted -- that he couldn't shoot out the hurricane strength windows with repeated efforts, but somehow "just happened" to shoot through a window and strike someone outside.

The only reasonable possibility I can see is if the shot went through one of the doors at either end of the first floor and hit someone right outside the building. But in that case, I would think it would be obvious that's what happened.