Armed FL school deputy Resigns after video shows he stood outside did nothing

a reply to: Aazadan

What does being an adult have to do with anything?

There's something about arming school kids that feels wrong, I'm not necessarily arguing for it, I'm just trying to figure out what that is, because a simple adult/kid distinction doesn't seem right to me, it's completely arbitrary.

Get back to me when you get a clue.

I'm not even going to honor that nonsense with an answer.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Are high school graduates automatically adults? What makes one an adult that isn’t an arbitrary distinction?

a reply to: Aazadan

We were discussing first-graders.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Aazadan

We were discussing first-graders.

TheRedneck

Ok, so what's a clear mental difference between a first and 12th grader that says one could handle a gun and the other can't? Mentally I was the same at both ages, I had learned a bit more by age 12 but that didn't change how I perceived the world.

My point was, if you can't define what makes someone older reasonably able to own a gun, how can you define what it is that someone younger than that lacks?

a reply to: Aazadan

12th graders are 17-19, not 12.

I was an idiot at 18. But i was an idiot that was rather large and strong, and full of way more bravado than brains.

a reply to: Aazadan


I was fairly proficient with a firearm at 12, got my first gun at 8.

But also back then we seemed to have a lot less rampant stupidity running round.

a reply to: Aazadan

My point was, if you can't define what makes someone older reasonably able to own a gun, how can you define what it is that someone younger than that lacks?

My point is, if one cannot comprehend the mental difference between a 6 year old child and a 25+ year old, gainfully employed teacher, one should not be demonstrating that lack of acuity by emphasizing it.

TheRedneck

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think we all had a substantial amount of idiot in us at that age... I know I did. It's just too bad some seem unwilling to address the blatantly obvious.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Aazadan

12th graders are 17-19, not 12.

I was an idiot at 18. But i was an idiot that was rather large and strong, and full of way more bravado than brains.

I was an idiot at 12, 18, 21, and 25. I'm sure that when I'm 45 I'm going to look back at my current self and consider myself to be an idiot. This isn't even unique to youth, 95 year olds consider their 65 year old selves to be idiots rather often.

If we take the idea that some 8 and 12 year olds are capable of handling firearms with proper training, then what's the difference between a certified 12 year old and a certified 25 year old? As judged by their older selves most tend to consider the younger ones idiots. So I don't think we can use an idiot/non idiot distinction here.

To take your second point, younger kids don't really suffer from that bravado as much, I think that makes a case that 20-30 year olds can't be trustworthy with weapons. But the crime and military stats suggest otherwise.

Furthermore, in the numbers Trump proposed, there aren't 40% or 20% of teachers that are vets or trained gun owners. Vets make up 2% of teachers, those who carry another 2%. So we're talking about 5%. That's 2 teachers per school, if that.

If we're going to fortify schools it's going to have to come from students, and they don't want it, and others thinks it makes no sense.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Aazadan


I was fairly proficient with a firearm at 12, got my first gun at 8.

But also back then we seemed to have a lot less rampant stupidity running round.

That's my point. If you were proficient with a firearm and could use one safely, what's the reason for you not having one at school? Why unload this problem on the teachers?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Aazadan

My point was, if you can't define what makes someone older reasonably able to own a gun, how can you define what it is that someone younger than that lacks?

My point is, if one cannot comprehend the mental difference between a 6 year old child and a 25+ year old, gainfully employed teacher, one should not be demonstrating that lack of acuity by emphasizing it.

TheRedneck

At 6 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day, and playing with Legos. At 25 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day and playing MMO's. At 35 I write computer programs, read 200 pages a day, and solve games. I'm literally the same person, plus some book learning.

a reply to: Aazadan

At 6 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day, and playing with Legos. At 25 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day and playing MMO's. At 35 I write computer programs, read 200 pages a day, and solve games. I'm literally the same person, plus some book learning.

If you are the same person you were at age 6... bless your heart.

Other people grow up.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Aazadan

At 6 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day, and playing with Legos. At 25 I was writing computer programs, reading 200 pages a day and playing MMO's. At 35 I write computer programs, read 200 pages a day, and solve games. I'm literally the same person, plus some book learning.

If that's the case...

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to vote? If not, why?

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to drink and buy alcohol? If not, why?

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to drive? If not, why?

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to have sex? If not, why?

originally posted by: JustaBill
Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to vote? If not, why?

I don't think 18 year olds should be allowed to vote either. The entire concept of voting is screwed up when the average person posses just the average understanding on any given subject. It's a process of putting the least qualified into decision making roles.

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to drink and buy alcohol? If not, why?

No, but I'm against alcohol in general. I've never once had a drink, that aside... I've seen more than enough examples that 21, 30, and 40 year olds don't drink responsibly either. Every single person who has ever gotten drunk has proven this.

These last two are physical issues not mental ones

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to drive? If not, why?

Their feet don't reach the pedals.

Do you think a 6 year old should be allowed to have sex? If not, why?

Most of them have no interest. If some that do show interest they can... nothing is actually stopping two 6 year olds from having sex with each other. Or are you referring to an adult and a 6 year old, in which case there's a large power dynamic at play. A power dynamic people often conveniently ignore even though it still exists when it's two adults.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
If you are the same person you were at age 6... bless your heart.

Other people grow up.

Define grow up. What does that actually mean? Typically growing up is used in the context of accepting responsibility, that has nothing to do with someone coming to the realization that other people, are people, and that using a gun against them without a good reason is wrong and that's a concept that even some 8 year olds understand.

a reply to: Aazadan

Define grow up.

I don't want to confuse you any more.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I don't want to confuse you any more.

In other words, you can't. Just as you couldn't actually pinpoint what makes an 8 year old with a gun any different than an 18 year old with a gun.

a reply to: Aazadan


Because the law says so, really in a civilized society that's what matters.

a teacher is a fully developed adult in theory as a child I had a lot more growing to do, and again in theory an 18 yr old is pretty much a fully functioning adult.

a reply to: Aazadan

Define grow up.

On second thought, I will.

I have a cousin; we'll call him "Joe" (not his real name). Joe was a normal child until maybe age 5 or 6. When he started school, he couldn't keep up. After some tests, the doctors told his parents his mind had stopped developing. They took him out of school and simply cared for hm his whole life.

Joe is in his 70s now. He still talks about the old westerns (Gunsmoke, etc.) like Matthew Dillon is real. He plays with toys, although he's getting too old physically to play much; most of his day now is watching kiddie shows and westerns on TV. After his parents died, his brother and sister-in-law took him in. When his siser-in-law died, their daughter and her husband took him in. Sometimes he will talk about his parents like he's really not sure where they are and he wants them to come back.

Joe is retarded. Not in the sense that word is usually used, but in the real sense. He can't help how he is, and everyone around accepts his condition as a fact of life. When I see him, I play along with him; it seems to make him happy when I talk to him. He has never held and will never hold a job; he has never married and never will. He has never experienced real friendship outside his family; most other people tend to shy away from him because of his condition. He has the mind of a six-year-old in the body of a 70-year-old man.

And you just made fun of him and those like him. Thank you.

Now please go away. You've proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that you have no heart, no soul, and no morality whatsoever.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Aazadan

This will be my last response to you. Go bother someone else. You're not worth my time.

TheRedneck