I-Team: Mystery metal studied in Las Vegas

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
There DO SEEM TO BE a few unusual phenonemon in the world that need more
investigation.. but UFOlogy, at least in America, is just another word for
disinformation.

I always thought the French had a fairly good approach to the whole UFO thing. I could be wrong, though. It wouldn't be shocking.

a reply to: Blue Shift

I respect the French on the topic of UFOlogy.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

D'accord.

The problem with American ufology is it has been manipulated by the intelligence community and monetized by the entertainment industry. Roswell really needs to be relegated way down the list of reliable UFO cases. But it cannot be allowed to die in case the whole of US ufology decomposes with those alien bodies that were (probably not) recovered in 1947.

I will always qualify that by saying that there are some great ufologists working in America too. A few of them post on here (or at least have done). Many of them don't get the kudos or the limelight they deserve because they prefer to sift through the available facts and go where the evidence takes them. Which is not the truth many people seek. So they ignore them.

Going back to that piece by ufoseekers.com.... It was rather damning and accused all sorts of manipulating ufology.

Bigelow has been procuring UFO reports and even abduction reports for over a generation. Arguably unethically so in the Carpenter Case. He was also heavily manipulative of MUFON by trying to use them as an outsource agency to investigate UFO cases for him whilst he was in receipt of government funding via AATIP. Bigelow, despite sourcing reports from MUFON, he isn't too keen on releasing much information to the public from those reports from what I see.

A lot of the other claims made aren't really verifiable.

a reply to: mirageman

Being involved with both AATP, dominating and using MUFON and similar
activities by Mr. Bigelow has put his big thumb print all over US Ufology
and not in a positive way.

Add in the various known intelligence operations in US Ufology, and you
wind up with not much uncontaminated UFOlogy left in the USA.

Kev

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

elizondo isnt about disclosure he's a flimflam man.

and whats your proof for this statement, hard facts, not just your opinion.
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originally posted by: gunshooter

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

elizondo isnt about disclosure he's a flimflam man.

and whats your proof for this statement, hard facts, not just your opinion.
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Where are the hard facts supporting any claims made by Elizondo?

So far not even his resignation letter, quoted in the Times, can be found.

So who is he actually?

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: gunshooter

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

elizondo isnt about disclosure he's a flimflam man.

and whats your proof for this statement, hard facts, not just your opinion.
2

Where are the hard facts supporting any claims made by Elizondo?

So far not even his resignation letter, quoted in the Times, can be found.

So who is he actually?

...a....flimflam man?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: gunshooter

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

elizondo isnt about disclosure he's a flimflam man.

and whats your proof for this statement, hard facts, not just your opinion.
2

Where are the hard facts supporting any claims made by Elizondo?

So far not even his resignation letter, quoted in the Times, can be found.

So who is he actually?

...a....flimflam man?

Yep.

originally posted by: Blue Shift


There's no winning with disclosure.

Beautifully stated.

I'm still on the fence with many of these Carnival Players of UFOlogy (as I like to call most of them). In my opinion just as in politics, there's rarely a lot of substance.... but there is sure a lot of talk, theories, debates and smack-downs against those that dont agree with them (not all, but many). But I still have the optimism that there's more to come. Now whether it's true and verifiable (or not) remains to be seen and heard.

But I can still hope....

So... I'm sure many of you will find more fuel for your personal fires as Luis Elizondo will be George Knapp's Guest on Coast to Coast Am this Sunday Feb. 25th. (Caveat: this is a repeat show)


Johnny

a reply to: mirageman

Chiming in on this, a couple of years ago having an outside barbecue with friends we saw 'lights in the sky'. Curious I submitted all possible helpful data to a local group that investigates UFO reports.

A couple of weeks later (after a request by their contact for some extra info) I recieved a full report with meteo data, astronomy info, multiple witness reports, comparissons, timeframes and even pictures. Very sober, open and to the point. How it should be done.

My take? For one, we don't develop military aircraft over here. We buy them.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

When I reported my BTUFO incident I was provided no information whatsoever
and over half of what I reported was edited out, to maximize the delusion that
a nuts and bolts craft was seen.

It must be a beautiful thing to live in a more sane country than the USA.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, it does make me wonder how they would handle something more strange. But yeah, I was actually surprised by their methods of working and transparancy.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

When I reported my BTUFO incident I was provided no information whatsoever and over half of what I reported was edited out, to maximize the delusion that a nuts and bolts craft was seen.

I wonder who might have gotten hold of your report though Kev?

Aren't there things like data protection laws to stop your personal information falling into the wrong hands?

a reply to: mirageman

I'm giving you an official nickname.

Drum roll....... drum roll.....

Thou shall now and forever be known as....

"Ham Bone"

PS: is pretty dang funny I gotta say.
some of your best to date ham-bonery

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Nice piece, Johnny...

Hey, isn't this the one and same Hal Putoff who was doing those ESP and Remote Viewing experiments with Ingo Swann et al @ Stanford (SRI) a few decades back?

Anway, yeah Elizondo I think is just stepping in cuz Tom caught so much heat for his meh debut. It's a lateral pass. Elizondo has been acting Teflon to the media, though.

Armchair ufologists are in a holding pattern.

The Bigelow thing is generating a lot of buzz. Too much. The extinguishers are going to emerge. ...boy would I love to have been a fly on the wall when Harry Reid and the BASS gents pulled this one off! More Money AND the evidence - nice score!

The metal thing is intriguing... when can we see it?

Go get 'em, George!

originally posted by: Outrageo
Armchair ufologists are in a holding pattern.

At least since the 2007 Drone Hoax. Possibly since the Alien Autopsy.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Ahhh... Good 'ole ISAAC, and "...the Drone".

Bored? Here's one ATS thread that went over FOUR hundred pages...

[HOAX?] ISAAC DRONE CARET

I think Linda Moulton Howe was in love, remember this video they made of the drone craft?:


Those were some vibrant ATS days, my friends...

NOW GET BACK TO WORK!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeh well my way of not going crazy is to make light of this topic every now and again.
I can see you are slowly adapting your own sense of 'humor' into a more international sense of 'humour'. So expect more off the ham bone in the future young Kevin!

a reply to: Outrageo

I always thought they took inspiration from a video where mountaineers came upon something that looked like an Osiris symbol standing in front of them suspended in midair.

It could have been their first production though.

The man of steel guards in the Genesis ship kind of reminded me of it a little.