I-Team: Mystery metal studied in Las Vegas

Anyone that may have currently (or at one time) contemplated whether or not 'We' are are the only intelligent lifeforms in the known Universe knows that there's pretty much a carnival of players that make claims of being supposed experts on the subject of UFO's, Aliens and the accompanying technology. But through all the fog, hype, predictions and theories, George Knapp has been able to accomplish what many have not been able to do. He's been able to cut through BS and Red tape, been able to investigate and research the subject matter, then present his finding's to the world in a non-biased way. It doesn't hurt that he has won a Peabody award, numerous Emmy's and won a national Edward R. Murrow Award for a story about voter fraud in Clark County, Nevada.

So the other day, KLAS TV news presented a news story that unusual and exotic material has been studied in Nevada. I-Team: Mystery metal studied in Las Vegas. This was only the second recent time that I was getting very very excited about this subject matter (again) that I've researched for so many years. Not to mention that a few weeks ago George Knapp on Coast to Coast Am (perhaps you've heard of this little radio show) interviewed Eric Davis and Physicist Dr. Hal Putoff, both who worked under Bob Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Sciences (or NIDS). Dr. Putoff (choosing his words carefully) mentioned that he had seen some obtained material that was very unusually layer in ways we (on Earth) didn't know how to assemble (I'm paraphrasing here for the most part). Luis Elizondo who used to work with the government on secret subjects was also interviewed by Knapp on the subject and used the term meta-material.

Anyway the article I linked to above also has some video-interview snippits worth watching.

I find it extremely interesting that Bob Bigelow (who happens to have two orbiting Space Stations and is in contract with NASA) has had all these key players at one time or another working for him. And if you still dont know who Bob Bigelow is... if I say SkinWalker Ranch, does that help ring a bell (he owned the Ranch).

Very exciting times were living in and I think were in the cusp of having some more revelations come to light.

** apologies** if this has already been posted about, I searched and as this article just came out yesterday I thought I was safe to start this thread.

Disclosure is leaking slowly. I mean better late than never.

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

elizondo isnt about disclosure he's a flimflam man.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

The "Materials" are discussed in the 2 other ATS TTSA threads but it wont hurt to have a thread specifically about them.

The ominous lack of proper peer reviewed analysis by credible materials scientists should be our first clue.
The complete and utter lack of interest in becoming the new Du Pont from those parties that have studied the materials so far is our second.

There are hundreds (if not thousands) of VC's that specialise in disruptive technology.
Something that delivers on what TTSA has eluded to is worth billions yet they are stuck at a pitifull 2.5 mill in donations with a September deadline looming.

I find it extremely interesting that Bob Bigelow has had all these key players at one time or another working for him.

It was billed as the boldest step so far in a long-held dream

But amid all the excited public relations, there was one small hitch - the whole expedition was a lie.

There had to be a frontman - someone rich and eccentric enough to be plausible. The reclusive billionaire inventor Howard Hughes was perfect for the role.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Its interesting that the original article mentioned the "materials" recovered and how some of Bigelow's buildings had to be adapted to house them. But the original article is really the only place that these materials are mentioned?

If buildings had to be adapted to house materials, then my question would be; How so?
Is it the size of the buildings? Biological / Radiation / Electromagnetic hazard handling? Temperature controlled? or anything else like this?

I am dubious as to the story regarding materials in all honesty, but the above questions I am putting forward under the "assumption" that they do exist.

In all fairness, Bigelow hasnt talked and its just crickets and as its private industry and doesn't fall under FOIA requests, I don't think we will ever know.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Everything about this "disclosure" is weird.

Elizondo is not answering what we need to know, everything is classified (even when it's not).

I wonder who is pulling the strings behind this...

Thank you "Johnny"! I've been following George's interviews with the individuals you mention. I've said it before, I'll keep it saying whenever certain names and topics come up:

This is Soft Disclosure. That is, what Putoff, Bigelow et. al. have been known to say to journalists and interviewers in the last couple of years, is actual Disclosure. But very soft, Velveeta-style, guaranteed not to startle too much. That's the All-American, Rand-Corporation-informed, soft-pedalling approach to truth, I guess, but it's still exciting.

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort
Disclosure is leaking slowly. I mean better late than never.

Of course it is just you keep thinking that, what if there is nothing to disclose

originally posted by: wmd_2008
Of course it is just you keep thinking that, what if there is nothing to disclose

"Disclosure" to a lot of people means that the government (that they don't trust) finally tells them the same things that they already believe.

Although, I have to chuckle as I imagine the government telling people that the entire UFO mythology from Ancient Aliens through Roswell and the Pleiadians/Grays/Reptilians is absolutely real and true, only to have those same people go, "Well, now that the government admits it, it must be a huge lie to manipulate us."

There's no winning with disclosure.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous

Very exciting times were living in and I think were in the cusp of having some more revelations come to light.

Exciting times for sure, but certainly not due to TTSA or any related "revelations". If they really had something, anything, it wouldn't require a two-year marketing and merchandising campaign to show what they've got. The NYT frontpage article actually added to the confusion instead of shedding light on the matter.

It's already been mentioned before that the total lack of transparency and bypassing of the science community speaks volumes. Combined with a strategy of releasing small chunks of information every quarter or so without much context or analysis makes it look like everything but disclosure.

The phenomenon exists, sure, but I don't think that any TTSA related revelations contributed in any way to getting to the bottom of what we're dealing with. I guess most of us on here once again see a pattern emerging, one that seems to muddy the waters and continues the legacy of traditional disinformation. Why? Well, perhaps there's a strategy in place going beyond pure merchandising and milking the cash cow but that would be something for a thread of its own.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous... if you still dont know who Bob Bigelow is... if I say SkinWalker Ranch, does that help ring a bell ...

he also owns mufon,
anytime a commercial airlines pilot has a ufo to report their told to send it to mufon

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

lol so 1987 back to you Jim for the weather.......

a reply to: Blue Shift



......Exactly....!!!



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Let's just scratch the top of this ever growing iceberg of negativity that seems to be building around the whole exercise.

Luis Elizondo, the man who appears to have usurped Tom DeLonge, has left the military according to his words but according to WIRED there is no record of his resignation.

Elizondo stated ....He was also asked if he was under an NDA with the government, and he replied that he did, he was planning on keeping it that way, and he still had his Top Secret clearance as far as he knew. He had no plans of changing any of that.
.........
He gave up 20 years in the military, a 401k/pension/benefits and healthy salary so he could join to the stars. He joined to have a discussion with the American people about what is going on.

See : www.reddit.com...

How long does my clearance last when I leave the military?

Clearance becomes inactive once your service ends.

See : Military.com

WIRED’s FOIA request for Elizondo's resignation letter, which was quoted in the Times, turned up no records

Source : wired.com

So what is this guy up to?

Then we have the accusations that a certain group of people who tend to inhabit that South Western corner of the USA are once again involved in UFO jigerry pokery.

Robert Bigelow Owns The UFO Community
by Tim Doyle

We have uncovered information that has changed the way we view the UFO community ..

Here’s a brief summary of our findings:

It has come to our attention that MUFON has sold all of their case file history to Bigelow Aerospace (BAASS) and the government in 2009. MUFON sold us all out!

Bigelow Aerospace uses the case history and current reports to develop for-profit products for the military and other applications while debunking the sightings in public, while at the same time saying aliens are everywhere ensuring he is the point man for all UFO Reports and maintains support from the UFO community as a whole as a champion for the topic.

Bigelow Aerospace created and founded Coast To Coast AM. WE NO LONGER SUPPORT COAST TO COAST AM. Bigelow hand picked Art Bell and George Knapp in the 1980’s for AREA 2000 radio which became Coast To Coast AM.

It has come to our attention that George Knapp, writer of the recent Tom DeLonge articles, was an employee of Bigelow Aerospace subsidiaries or Bigelow himself since the 1980’s. Including employment at the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS) in the 1990’s. George Knapp is the Sunday Show host for Coast To Coast AM. NIDS purchased Skinwalker Ranch after it was made public by George Knapp. After NIDS disbanded in 2004 Skinwalker Ranch was purchasedby Bigelow Aerospace. Bigelow Aerospace supposedly receives funding from the Department of Defense for activities at Skinwalker Ranch. Anyone associated with Skinwalker Ranch must be viewed as a possible military industrial complex associate. In fact George Knapp claims regularly on Coast To Coast AM that people should trust the government and they’re “not evil.”

It has come to our attention that Bob Lazar (the famous AREA 51 “employee”) was paid actually by Bigelow through a fake corporation at the same time George Knapp was promoting the Bob Lazar story. .... This was around the same time Bigelow started a radio program with Art Bell and George knapp known as AREA 2000 which became Coast To Coast AM. We believe that Bob Lazar’s knowledge of element 115 was information given to him by Robert Bigelow then promoted by George Knapp to make the appearance of truth.

It has come to our attention that Harold Puthoff, Vice President for Tom DeLonge’s company To The Stars Academy, is a current and past employee of Bigelow at various organizations. Harold has been investigating paranormal reports for Bigelow since the 1990’s including working with George Knapp at NIDS. Puthoff is a former employee of the CIA, NSA, DOD, Navy, and Army.

Tom DeLonge and George Knapp are currently writing the Bob Lazar autobiography together.

FOIA requests filed by The Black Vault about the “Aerial Threat Identification program” have come back showing “no records.” It looks like there is no such program. Is someone lying?

Source : ufoseekers.com...

Please note the above are the opinions of the writer and not necessarily my own. Some of those statements are verifiable others are less clear.

But you have to admit that many crazy UFO stories seem to germinate in the South East corner of the USA and some of the same old players who were flapping around 30 years ago are still fluttering around now.

Their mystery metal stuff is a sideshow.

The question is what is really going on?

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous Oh dang, man

Fantastic information.....kinda changes the big picture for me

originally posted by: mirageman

How long does my clearance last when I leave the military?
Clearance becomes inactive once your service ends.
See : Military.com

Yeah, but just because your TS clearance goes inactive doesn't mean you can just blab about whatever you learned when you had it, and it can be reactivated fairly quickly if necessary. My Top Secret SIOP-ESI clearance was deactivated so long ago, however, that they'd probably have to do another fairly extensive background check. Not that I need to know anything Top Secret these days.

Great old school ATS thread. the stuff that brought me here in the first place

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Its interesting that the original article mentioned the "materials" recovered and how some of Bigelow's buildings had to be adapted to house them. But the original article is really the only place that these materials are mentioned?

If buildings had to be adapted to house materials, then my question would be; How so?
Is it the size of the buildings? Biological / Radiation / Electromagnetic hazard handling? Temperature controlled? or anything else like this?

I am dubious as to the story regarding materials in all honesty, but the above questions I am putting forward under the "assumption" that they do exist.

In all fairness, Bigelow hasnt talked and its just crickets and as its private industry and doesn't fall under FOIA requests, I don't think we will ever know.

If you claim something is "alien" and potentially hazardous to human health then it might have to be stored in sealed chambers. It might require temperature and humidity controlled environments. Think of museums and art galleries - they have to make sure paint doesn't fade, chip away or age.

a reply to: mirageman

I'd give you 100 stars if I could.

This breaks open a large amount of the mystery of UFOlogy disinformation
over the past 30 years.

I don't understand how people can even say the word "disclosure" with a straight
face.

There DO SEEM TO BE a few unusual phenonemon in the world that need more
investigation.. but UFOlogy, at least in America, is just another word for
disinformation.

It goes much deeper than this.. and this is already pretty deep.