Location of atlantis

I read an article in the newspaper lastweek.It was on the location of Atlantas.They "claimed"to have found it in Creta,Ukraine.Im not sure why it isnt so controversal,maby its just the fact they mentioned "claim"I dont know.

Although Ukraine seems a highly unlikely candidate for Atlantis.It just does not the fit.The landscape,sea,everything.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Yes, but he also said the saze I mentioned. As for the island, the city itself was pretty much an island also.

I'm sorry, I have not heard the word "saze" before.

I think the sargasso part of the tale is from Solon's ideas moreso than the account.

Are you saying that this part of the tale is exaggerated, or changed in some way? Would this be any less reliable than the rest of the tale?

The Phoenicians (and likely those that came before them) pretty much had a monopoly on trade with their naval skills, so I can certainly see them trading with the people of South America all the while claiming that sea as impassable (and when other attempts were lost at sea, who wouldn't believe them?)

That is entirely possible, and as we have seen previously in this thread, there was contact between these peoples.
Are you saying that the Phoenicians were the only civilisation in those times to navigate the seas? I think this is highly unlikely, but I have not much knowledge of this to state anything except my feeling on this.
I think that the idea of only one culture in the whole world at that time being the only one to navigate the seas is unbelievable.
Others would have watched these people navigate the seas, and attempted it themselves, curiosity is human nature, I don't think that they would have had a monopoly.

Of course I could be totally way off the mark here, but I believe that there was contact with different peoples long before the Phoenicians, and for the Phoenicians to be the only ones to continue this exploration and trade, I just cannot see it.

But, this does not solve the problem of where this "Atlantis" civilisation were situated. Looking at present day maps, I find it difficult to see a huge island continent sitting between Europe and the Americas, outside the Pillars of Hercules. As for Antarctica and the Earth crust displacement, this is also a big leap, as it would have had to move a vast distance. The more I look at this the more confused I get.

i always thought it was eather a bit east of china/japan or south of india

Originally posted by trust_no_one
i always thought it was eather a bit east of china/japan or south of india

Where did you see evidence of this location?

Originally posted by blackSt33L
I read an article in the newspaper lastweek.It was on the location of Atlantas.They "claimed"to have found it in Creta,Ukraine.Im not sure why it isnt so controversal,maby its just the fact they mentioned "claim"I dont know.

Although Ukraine seems a highly unlikely candidate for Atlantis.It just does not the fit.The landscape,sea,everything.

Do you have any links to this? I would like to see what reason they had for this location.

Well i found it in the New Zealand Herald,so yea i think it would be hard to find a small article,especially when the newspaper is not globally known.Nevertheless try search.The website is www.nzherald.co.nz

I have always thought that Atlantis is under the ice of Antarctica. I know Plato said it was beyond the “Straits of Hercules” but that can be anywhere. If he was writing a story he would want it to be…. believable for his audience and ace they might know about. If he would have wrote that it was… between Cuba and Florida –I know those wouldn’t be the names for them but you get the idea- no one would know where that would be, thus making the story sound unreal and no one would believe him. Also the propose of a good story to is to entertain, and part of that is to make the audience feel that they could go there at some point, if only in their mind. People would most likely know what the area around the straits look like so they could envision themselves there.
If he heard the story from Solon, then isn’t it possible he heard it from someone else, and he/she heard it from another person? Just wondering. If so the story would have changed many times to make it so people would understand it. If anyone has played the game telephone you would know what I’m talking about. Simple phrases change very quickly and can be misinterpreted very easily, thus altering the story from its original form.
I am in no way an expert in this, but Antarctica was once inhabitable. It was a while back, few million years, but it did have a mild climate. Now with that in mind wouldn’t it be possible for the climate to shift once again? The last ice age was only about 20 thousand years ago. One theory is Global Warming is a natural thing that just happens. So if the inhabitants of Atlantis inhabited Antarctica and if they in fact had great knowledge couldn’t they…modify the climate in areas where they lived to suit their needs, and a sudden climate shift drove them out? If the shift had been dealing with melted water then that could explain the “wave” theory behind the sinking. Or if they had built some sort of dam to hold back water from the ice that melted and could be used for water in the many canals, and if it broke and the water came down upon the cities the people would call it a disaster and it would take a few days or more for the water level to go down. It is then possible to piece together what could have happened.
1. People come to the artic.
2. Built a vast empire with highly advanced knowledge for their time.
3. Change the climate in certain areas they wanted to live in. Make a dam to hold back the water melted by the new climate.
4. Dam breaks, resulting in a wave of water.
5. A handful of people escape.
6. The survivors tell of their struggle to others.
7. Story passed on and falls onto Plato’s ears from Solon.
8. The story of Atlantis comes to public view.
9. I’m here writing about it.

Check out the off-shoot discussion from this thread on the relationship between Atlantis, the Maya, the Cross Symbol, Foo Fighter UFO's and Nazi Germany. The original thread made mention of an interesting article about Fallen Angels. Near the end of the article there was mention about the three Atlantis' and their fate throughout the ages. This made me think deeper on the Atlantis enigma. Stars and Crosses seem to be the connection between the legend and the actual ruins. It is my oppinion that their were actually star like objects (possibly UFOs) that played an important role in the ancient civilizations, especially the ancient americans. I one native american member said his people say their from the stars. Instead of posting duplicate postings, I direct you to the other thread in the UFO subject. Look for the images posted in some of the threads which relate to the subject at hand. Don't mind the other debated material.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
'Excellent Read on Fallen Angels'

Notice the Cross pattern along with the ring pattern and compare that to the Cuban Cross with the four red bullseye rings. The red rings are the 'Foo Fighters' of World War II. Hitler had his people searching for secrets of lost civilizations before WWII was triggered.





From a cave on the Cuban Isle of Youth



If you put the Cross on top of the largest bullseye pattern, in the upper left, you will see the Atlantis described by Plato.

The cross or star pattern with the four bullseye rings are seen in another bas-relief image placed in different positions. See the same UFO thread on 'Excellent Read on Fallen Angels'.

I bet the star being or thing (UFO) would sit on top of the pyramid temples of ancient times and the people would worship it. It would illuminate the dark night. Wasn't there a legend of foreigners seeing a bright glowing object somewhere in the amercias that lit up the night unnaturally?





[edit on 15-4-2005 by lostinspace]

Some ppl confuse the age of a text with its authenticity. These are often the first to decry channeling, which uses heightened intuitive or right brain faculties that they do not understand or appreciate, and do not rely on their own intuition except to confirm popular opinions about what is officially "written," i.e., historically preserved. Well imho history is actually that which conquerors have overwritten the records of the conquered with and used in the establishment of power over them. The official version of a past so distant that it could be myth, based on validations of opinions theoretically supported by the records, could really be anything.

Opinions are divided. As far as two of the mods most concerned on this issue go, Byrd says Atlantis cannot have existed on Earth anywhere:

from Byrd
The original was Plato, who doesn't mention fantastic technology. The legend resurfaces occasionally, but the real boost for it came from Edgar Cayce and his friends, all of whom "channeled" things about technology and the lives and times of the Atlanteans and how they used cyrstals and so forth.

...all of which were conveneintly rather like the modern American civilization and not at all like the ancient civilizations.

No, there's just one ancient source (and it is only Plato.) There is no mention of anything like Atlantis in the writings of the Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, ... OR other ancient Greeks.

Unlike Troy and other vanished cities, which had multiple legends suggesting they were real.)

while Gazrok claims that it did, only predating most ancient civilizations:

from Gazrok
On this I'd have to agree...

But of course, this also predates those civilizations as well...according to Plato.

The truth may be a combination of both imho. Both right...each missing something the other is saying...and some added key that will somehow resolve the apparent differences between the two?

So if you don't mind i'd just like to open up the discussion now to a new perspective on your thousands-of-years-old 'news'....(maybe this belongs in its own thread ?? at any rate, use of the intuition with an open mind and not presupposing anything might be advisable for the following, kids ask your parents)

in a brief excerpt from an article entitled, "Atlantis was Two Planets Ago," Robert Shapiro, writing sometime within the last year from my online version of the Sedona Journal of Emergence (refers here to some old notes taken several months ago)

Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it.

The myth of Atlantis has significantly more impact in your time than the reality, and the myth is that it lasted a long time on Earth. You and I know that it didn't last on Earth at all. It lasted for as long as it lasted on the planet that used to be in this orbit. It is what you call Maldek. I tend to trip over that word, because it's a being's term provided for that place, since the being who originally provided that term felt that it was important to keep the name of that planet a secret.

The article goes on (don't have permission to copy it all sorry) to say that had the real name of this planet two-planets-before-Earth been kept in circulation, the previous energies would have tended to revive--more than they already apparently imo have.

To anticipate the inevitable logical question, thanks, what was the planet in-between the Earth and the planet of 'Atlantis'? That was an emergency etheric substitute taken from another (etheric?) solar system somewhere that did not need to have a planet in its place, to hold together its solar system, the way ours (at that time--just as it likely would today) effectively did.






[edit on 15-4-2005 by Collin]

If many of you take a look at all of these maps.You will notice that Atlantis is always situated in the middle of the atlantic,near Europe.It seems logical because the access is nearer and the Atlantic oceans hosts a large enough space for a landmass the size of Atlantis to be in.


wronganswers.com/ unknown/atlan/def.asp
www.turneramon.co.uk/ map
www.sacred-texts.com/ atl/soa/img/a01.jpg
www.call-of-the-sea.com/.../ atlantis_pashos.jpg

My apologies if you have trouble getting into these sites,iv had afew problems myself.

I'm sorry, I have not heard the word "saze" before.

Are you familiar with the word "typo"...???
Allow me to add to your vocabulary...

Main Entry: ty·po
Pronunciation: 'tI-(")pO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural typos
Etymology: short for typographical (error)
: an error (as of spelling) in typed or typeset material

Quote by celticnial
There is too much similarities in the various cultures

(i.e. should be "many", and "is" should be "are")

If you're going to grammar police to legitimize your point, you should remember the old adage about those who live in glass houses...



[edit on 18-4-2005 by Gazrok]

My apologies Gazrok, I was almost asleep when I wrote that, and I meant that I didn't know what word you meant to write....Now that I am awake, I see how obvious it is now....wasn't having a dig, honest!

Australia is Atlantis. The Egyptians came from Atlantis. Early Egyptians related to Icelandic, Danish, Finnish, Scandinavian, Norwegian, Swedish. There is a hidden language in hieroglyphs. Go to site address below,(site unfinished but enough evidence is there i hope). Ayers rock carried new life to Earth. This life changed man and the world. Early Egyptians murdered by close thief of the knowledge of what was to come. All things come to those who wait.

lookagain.cjb.net...



[edit on 20-4-2005 by 9144]

Everybody is mentally locked on the Atlantic Ocean because of Plato's reference as 'beyond the Pillar of Hercules', and the Straits of Gibraltar were sometimes referred to as the Pillar of Hercules. However.... Any narrow strait with cliffs or headlands was called the 'Pillars of Hercules'. Old maps and texts reveal at least twenty different 'Pillars of Hercules' at the time of Plato -- throughout the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean. It could be Indonesia or the Maldives. Think outside the box.

And of course remember the legend was centuries old when Plato wrote it down. Details were likely embellished and varied over time so his account must not be taken literally.

Yes, exactly.

from Dave_54
Think outside the box.

And of course remember the legend was centuries old when Plato wrote it down. Details were likely embellished and varied over time so his account must not be taken literally.

Well it is true that everyone seems to have a theory avbout the location sof Atlantis so i will just add another ...

There are studies made that theorize about the possibilty of atlantis beeing located in the Azores Island (Portugal)

Atlantis & Azores

From the many of the geographic possibilities Azores seems to have much in common with the Atlantian belief, like animal life, Plantation, weather

Lost Atlantis ?

Platos had his own description of Atlantis
Platos description of Atlantis Capital

Azores also has plenty of volcanic activity

Volcanic activity

There is a lso a legendary place called the "Seven City Lagoon" wich is located inside the volcano crater........

Seven City Lagoon

This place is involved in a couple of old legends, on of wich describes the life of a princess called Antilia

The Seven City Lagoon Legend

and thats about it folks... maybe it existed maybe not ...??? but this could be the place ...

Plato made it up. Atlantis is a political point.

It is not real! Sorry

i have done research on other topics that seem to be intact with the story of atlantis. I believe atlantis is located in the bermuda triangle. I will explain why. When the continents supposedly shifted apart from there original places the shapes did not change much in the moving process. The carrabean sea seems unreasonable to be there. No piece of land could have fit in that location. Scientists claim that a few thousand years ago a great comit landed on earth in what is now the carrabean sea. (this also leads to the tale of the exstintion of dinosaurs) anyways i believe atlantis was crushed by the comit and the remain cease to exist. The Bermuda triangle is a challenge to search. It has its own mysteries. So, of course nobody to find hese ancient artifacts were able to return. And in any case the comit would have just demolished thenm to ash anyways. I do still belive that some form of atlantis civilization is still alive, the bermuda triangel is a warzone practically, atlantic gods are not pleasent with the arival of there doom. If you look on Google earth you should realize that the bermuda triangle has a faint light blue, meaning that it is very shallow water. Exactly were the civilazation stood at large

After the aliens came and gave details on how to build atlantis....the big nuclear war they had on that island totally evaporated the whole civilization.The aliens came back and the few survivors that were left,they brought them to Mars to rebuilt thier city underground on the surface there.Now they flourish in the millions...just leaving us reminders here and there of thier whereabouts.

reply to post by blackSt33L


Some of the suggestions for the location of Atlantas remind me of the quote by Desmond Tutu the African Archbishop. "They say that Dr Livingstone discovered Lake Victoria, which is remarkable as the 5 million people living along the lake's shores were not aware that it was lost"

It has long been accepted that Atlantas is the Island of Crete, and the Atlantians were the Minoan civilisation. Greek civilisation as we know it did not start on mainland Greece, it spread to Greece from Crete which was destroyed by the eruption of the volcano on the nearby island of Thera. Thera's volcano erupted for two weeks and then the sides collapsed with the Mediterranean rushing in to cause an explosion equal to several nuclear bombs going off at once on the sea bed. This all took place in the 13th century BC.

The modern times record of a similar event was the collapse of the volcano Krakatoa in 1883. When the sea rushed into the crater of Krakatoa the explosion and resulting tsunami was so great that the wave reached Australia, the Indian and African coasts before rounding the Cape Horn into the Atlantic. A recorded slight tidal surge was even recorded on the coast of England and France.

Now think of an explosion four times as powerful contained within the Mediterranean. The whole of the coast and islands were devastated with Crete getting the full blast of the explosion and tsunami. The Minoan civilisation was destroyed along with it's great palaces and cities, the greatest being at Knossos. As Knossos was excavated it fitted perfectly the description given by Plato of the great palace on Atlantis. The tsunami reached a height of 200 metres which would have given birth to the legendary floods recorded in most of the cultures of the peoples living around the mediterranean. In his book 'The End of Atlantis' Professor J.V. Luce described the destruction of the Minoan civilisation and the Greek equivalent of the Dark Ages.

It must be remembered that in Homer's time Greece was just coming out of their Dark Ages. There were as yet no great city states. Greeks lived in single story wooden or simple brick homes, but around them were these over 500 year old ruins of palaces and great homes. Homer would have realised that the past civilisation were superior to his , so they must have been built by a race of super hero's and gods, so he created stories about these past hero's.

A few points to ponder upon.
1) The term of 'Pillars of Hercules' for the Straits of Gibraltar is a comparatively recent title given in the middle ages. Near where Plato had his academy there were two hills which were then and still nowadays referred to as the 'Pillars of Hercules' Ancient Greek City States were spread all over the Middle East. (The Trojan War was between two Greek City States, even though one of them, Troy, was in what is present day Turkey) Sicily was a colony of Athens. Many states were around the Black Sea.

2) When Plato referred to the island in the great sea beyond the Pillars of Hercules he was looking out towards the Eastern Mediterranean.

3) The Greeks lived not only in the modern area of Greece, but around the Black Sea, The Caspian Sea, The Sea of Marmara and the Aegean Sea. But The Great Sea always referred to the Mediterranean.

4) In his book 'It Ain't Necessarily So' John McCarthy explores the Bible as a historical document, removing miracles and the such like. McCarthy describes the conditions in Canaan, the area that became Israel. "It is agreed that what ever occurred in Canaan in the Late Bronze Age took place against the background of a general cataclysmic collapse that reverberated throughout the whole eastern Mediterranean world during the 13th century BC. The reasons of this collapse remain unknown. Cities were destroyed and whole populations and even literacy disappeared.

Sunnyavalon