Mueller Indictments for 13 Russian Nationals in US Election Meddling

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Sillyolme

It was also an assurance to the country that were not going to let this stand no matter what trump thinks.

That is exactly what I was talking about. Exactly.

You don't know what Trump thinks! Figure that out.

Holy crap. You don't need to have a twitter account to know what Trump thinks.
You can follow it on the news.
Everytime he sneaks time alone on his phone late at night when the grown-ups are sleeping or he is away at his kiddy camp Mar-A-largo, he diuretically shares exactly what he is thinking.

Isn't knowing exactly what he thinks why you guys fell in love with him in the first place?

Here is a sample of WHAT TRUMP THINKS...He thinks a school massacre in Florida is a great Opportunity!

TRUMP TWITTER
Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

Get that?
Never mind the carnage and misery of these families.
It's a great opportunity to discredit the 35,000 people that work for FBI!
Never mind that Independent Special Counsel Mueller who is investigating the collusion question has nothing to do with a failed FBI tip-line process in Florida.

How can he use this tragedy to help TRUMP. That is how your hero thinks, and frankly the manner in which you defend these statements says a lot about you as well.

Sick, Sad, Disgusting...he is a nightmare of a President.

Did the FBI stop the killing anywhere?

NO?

Did the Mule find any collusion yet?

NO?

So how about about his tweets, twit.

Without them ya gots nothing to bitch about.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Trump stating politically inconvenient things for the left is why they demand he gets rid of his twitter.

a reply to: TheRedneck

How would this not be within the public interest? That in itself would warrant such information to be released. But however, once the report is compiled, and reviewed. The congress would expect and ask for a copy of that report, if not subpoena it, and the DOJ would have to turn it over. Now if it leads to impeachment, that is not going to be done in private but would have to be public, and if this is used for such, then it would be on view for the public to see. Impeachment is the only way to remove a sitting president.

Now if it does not lead to impeachment, then it would probably be that someone who was with Trump during the entire campaign and currently in the White House, would take the fall and end up pleading guilty and going to prison. That way the record and report could be sealed and not viewed by the public.

But if rules and laws have any bearing, then it would be that after a special prosecutor or an independent investigator, he does his job and then the report is first presented to the DOJ and then the congress for review. Any action on such, would be public and thus would have to be entered into the record, which the public could then read and look at.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: TheRedneck

How would this not be within the public interest? That in itself would warrant such information to be released. But however, once the report is compiled, and reviewed. The congress would expect and ask for a copy of that report, if not subpoena it, and the DOJ would have to turn it over. Now if it leads to impeachment, that is not going to be done in private but would have to be public, and if this is used for such, then it would be on view for the public to see. Impeachment is the only way to remove a sitting president.

Now if it does not lead to impeachment, then it would probably be that someone who was with Trump during the entire campaign and currently in the White House, would take the fall and end up pleading guilty and going to prison. That way the record and report could be sealed and not viewed by the public.

But if rules and laws have any bearing, then it would be that after a special prosecutor or an independent investigator, he does his job and then the report is first presented to the DOJ and then the congress for review. Any action on such, would be public and thus would have to be entered into the record, which the public could then read and look at.

Too long, filled with BS and did not read.

They screwed up or ignored meddling for political purposes.

a reply to: face23785

How much of an impact, that is currently being looked at. Not even the heads of the intelligence agencies can say, as they are still gathering and analyzing the information out there.

And some people are very gullible to believe things that they see or view on media. For example, take the movie The Martian. There were people who really believed that this was based on a true event, when it was a work of fiction.

Now can you prove that the interference did not have an effect on people? Or would you prefer to wait until the investigation is over and we see how much it did? Or is it in your opinion that we should just end this now?

Would it make a difference if it was say Iran or China that did such, and not Russia? How about if it was say Israel that interfered with a US election, would that make a difference?

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: face23785

How much of an impact, that is currently being looked at. Not even the heads of the intelligence agencies can say, as they are still gathering and analyzing the information out there.

And some people are very gullible to believe things that they see or view on media. For example, take the movie The Martian. There were people who really believed that this was based on a true event, when it was a work of fiction.

Now can you prove that the interference did not have an effect on people? Or would you prefer to wait until the investigation is over and we see how much it did? Or is it in your opinion that we should just end this now?

Would it make a difference if it was say Iran or China that did such, and not Russia? How about if it was say Israel that interfered with a US election, would that make a difference?

OK, we can wait till they figure it out in a few f'kin years!!

What movie are we in?!

You think a 1st world country can afford to wait??!!

What's wrong with you people?

What is this BS that is being peddled?

When I owned my resto's, I told my people to get it done or I will find people that can!

Trump knows that and # the status quo.

IT does involve China and Iran, Obama made sure of that.

The mofo's in govt better get to work!

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: face23785

How much of an impact, that is currently being looked at. Not even the heads of the intelligence agencies can say, as they are still gathering and analyzing the information out there.

And some people are very gullible to believe things that they see or view on media. For example, take the movie The Martian. There were people who really believed that this was based on a true event, when it was a work of fiction.

Now can you prove that the interference did not have an effect on people? Or would you prefer to wait until the investigation is over and we see how much it did? Or is it in your opinion that we should just end this now?

Would it make a difference if it was say Iran or China that did such, and not Russia? How about if it was say Israel that interfered with a US election, would that make a difference?

Tell me obama's apology tour didn't influence anything!

a reply to: Dfairlite

I have heard of Macedonia and what all they did. And the fake news. I think that it will come out, but right now one step at a time.

But on a side note, I hope that their actions do not have ramifications that they are not wanting.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

But this is not about Obama's apology tour is it? It is about the 2016 election and the active interference by another country. And the mess that has been made.

But lets just say the US's image was not as stellar before Obama's tour, the policies started to tarnish it, and maybe to show that the US can own its mistakes would have a bit more of an impact, than being that of a bully and something the US in the past would have been reviled to be in.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

What is too long and filled with BS and did not read?

a reply to: theantediluvian

What a completely blind and ignorant person you have proven yourself to be if this is what you are hanging your hat on as "proof" of anything.

Mueller is making himself, his followers (and all Americans) out to be nothing but complete jack asses. I would think the left would be absolutely beside themselves if this is all Mueller is coming up with after all this time and all that money. It's pretty clear this was never about anything other than keeping appearances.

How do you not see this?

Do you genuinely believe your government is being truthful with you? Honestly?

BTW...less is more.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Now if it leads to impeachment, that is not going to be done in private but would have to be public...

just

No one cares anymore. Trump didn't collude with Russia. You are.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: sdcigarpig

Now if it leads to impeachment, that is not going to be done in private but would have to be public...

just

No one cares anymore. Trump didn't collude with Russia. You are.

TheRedneck

I believe many are just unwilling to believe they have wasted over a year on fiction. It's difficult for anyone to admit that they were duped. But when you want something to be true you tend to distort and ignore facts.

The indictments were very clear no Americans willingly colluded with Russians. This excludes Trump assuming hes an American citizen. As for Mueller this just shows what a waste of time the investigation was. And I believe that people will get mad when reality forces them to admit that Trump wasn't working with the Russian govt. And thus will go down in history much like McCarthy and his communists under every bush.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: sdcigarpig

Now if it leads to impeachment, that is not going to be done in private but would have to be public...

just

No one cares anymore. Trump didn't collude with Russia. You are.

TheRedneck

I believe many are just unwilling to believe they have wasted over a year on fiction. It's difficult for anyone to admit that they were duped. But when you want something to be true you tend to distort and ignore facts.

This is pretty much the crux of it. It's even worse given the type of people we're talking about. Remember these are the ones who think they're more educated than us, more enlightened than us, more progressive, more evolved, all kinds of other self-aggrandizing crap. Admitting they were wrong to the likes of us... not happening. I am genuinely concerned some of them will become mentally unstable when this fantasy comes apart though.

Another Mueller indictment.

Alex Van Der Zwaan lied to the FBI and coverered up evidence.

He's the son-in-law of a Russian Oligarch and close to Manafort.

I wonder who person A is..


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Considering Russia is extremely conservative, certainly the most conservative white majority country, it isn't surprising some Russian citizens meddle in US elections to make American conservatives win. When it comes to ideology, international borders aren't so important. In Syria they have jihadists coming from all corners of the world because they share the ideology of Sunni supremacy. Do Russians meddle in US elections? Most certainly. Is it surprising? Hardly. People meddle in other countries' elections all the time. Obama personally flew to Britain prior to the Brexit vote to meddle Brexit. It becomes an issue when crime is committed such as identity theft and stealing money.

originally posted by: knoxie

Another Mueller indictment.

Alex Van Der Zwaan lied to the FBI and coverered up evidence.

He's the son-in-law of a Russian Oligarch and close to Manafort.

I wonder who person A is..


LINK

Another shoe drops and it now looks like Gates is full on cooperating witness as he gave up Van Der Zwann.

Last year, Van Der Zwaan married the daughter of Russian oligarch German Khan, according to the London Tatler. Khan is a shareholder of Alfa Group, a Russian banking and investment concern, and a board member at LetterOne Holdings, the investment vehicle set up by the founders of Alfa Group.

www.bloomberg.com...

Where have I heard of Alfa Group before? Oh, that's right, the DOSSIER.


Hmmm....

a reply to: knoxie

And this.

Prosecutors also accused Van Der Zwaan of lying about his talks with someone else, identified by the government as Person A.

The lawyer told investigators he last spoke with Person A in 2014, when in fact they spoke in September 2016 during the secretly recorded call with Gates.

Van Der Zwaan also deleted and failed to produce emails sought by the special counsel and a law firm, prosecutors said.

Rick Gates took over as Campaign Manager around September 1st.

Person A???
Wouldn't be anyone already publicly indicted like Manafort.
Hmmm..

Khan seems to be a Pakistani name. Doubt he's really Russian.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: burgerbuddy

What is too long and filled with BS and did not read?

Anything longer than a simple sentence or has multi-syllable "too complicated" words or anything that disparages their derp fuhrer.

K~