Mueller Indictments for 13 Russian Nationals in US Election Meddling

a reply to: EggZactly

We all miss Obama.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: soberbacchus

The implication I got was that he didn't want the media running wild.

I suppose that is another way of looking at it.

My concern is the indictments specifically indicated Russia's goal was not to get any one person elected to office. Their goal was to disrupt the orderly political process and foment grass roots revolt over rumor and innuendo.

I don't understand how people (that apparently are able to think) tell themselves those two things are mutually exclusive.

There goals were to delegitimize any election win for HRC, divide and erode her support and bolster support for Trump.

Everything they did was exactly consistent with those goals. All of it assisted Trump's campaign for President.

Even when they provoked division by posing as "Blacktavist" and "Muslim-American" organizations, their target audience was the right wing with provocative posts or Minorities in suppressing support for Clinton.

They did not support Sanders until he lost the nomination and the goal was to prevent Sanders Supporters from supporting Clinton in the General election.

Name one action they took that Hurt Trump or Helped Clinton?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: EggZactly

We all miss Obama.

Hell, I miss Bush Jr. at this stage.

The Russian establishment is the same as American and about the same agenda, and they work hand in hand to achieve the goal - the enslavement of humankind. Who still doesn't see it, must be blind.

RUSSIANS HATE PUTIN, because they're not blind and see he leads them into the abyss, the same as all politicians left & right.

So, that's why Putin gets along well with Clintons and Trump - they talk about how to enslave Americans, Russians and everybody else.

13 is the code number for marking the one to be killed . Only 169 Russian athletes were allowed to Olympic games, and 169 = 13x13.

Let me tell you 1 thing: NORMAL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD SHOULD DEFEND RUSSIANS, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONE, THERE WILL BE NO MORE LIGHT IN HUMANITY LEFT! (who's met them, knows what I'm talking about; and I don't mean the Khazarian mafia cloaked as Russian)

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: EggZactly

We all miss Obama.

Hell, I miss Bush Jr. at this stage.

Rumors are that he brought down the WTC...

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Sillyolme

It was also an assurance to the country that were not going to let this stand no matter what trump thinks.

That is exactly what I was talking about. Exactly.

You don't know what Trump thinks! Figure that out.

Holy crap. You don't need to have a twitter account to know what Trump thinks.
You can follow it on the news.
Everytime he sneaks time alone on his phone late at night when the grown-ups are sleeping or he is away at his kiddy camp Mar-A-largo, he diuretically shares exactly what he is thinking.

Isn't knowing exactly what he thinks why you guys fell in love with him in the first place?

Here is a sample of WHAT TRUMP THINKS...He thinks a school massacre in Florida is a great Opportunity!

TRUMP TWITTER
Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

Get that?
Never mind the carnage and misery of these families.
It's a great opportunity to discredit the 35,000 people that work for FBI!
Never mind that Independent Special Counsel Mueller who is investigating the collusion question has nothing to do with a failed FBI tip-line process in Florida.

How can he use this tragedy to help TRUMP. That is how your hero thinks, and frankly the manner in which you defend these statements says a lot about you as well.

Sick, Sad, Disgusting...he is a nightmare of a President.

originally posted by: morano

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: EggZactly

We all miss Obama.

Hell, I miss Bush Jr. at this stage.

Rumors are that he brought down the WTC...

#bushdid911?

ETA: #obamadidsandyhook

a reply to: face23785.

LOL never said the participants of said democracy were intelligent LOL, but yea the democrats and media have been manipulated and the Russians probably didn't even expect it to half the effective. The mastermind probably has a new house and a beautiful eastern european model girlfriend by now

a reply to: soberbacchus

Wrong again. I am NOT a Republican.

TheRedneck

a reply to: soberbacchus

I don't understand how people (that apparently are able to think) tell themselves those two things are mutually exclusive.

I don't remember saying they are.

Name one action they took that Hurt Trump or Helped Clinton?

Name one action they took that helped Trump or hurt Clinton?

At this point, I don't think even the FBI knows what all actions were taken. They know enough of them to issue indictments.

TheRedneck

a reply to: soberbacchus

Holy crap. You don't need to have a twitter account to know what Trump thinks.
You can follow it on the news.

You know what he writes (well, depending on which news organization you follow, you might know what the anchor says he wrote). That's not what he thinks. It's only a small portion of what he thinks. Do you seriously believe that ANYONE could write every single thought they had down on paper or type it into Twitter?

Have you ever read a stream of consciousness? Thoughts are coming at us all day long, every day, without a pause, faster than you or I can type, much less write.

That is your bias: you believe you already know everything there is to know about someone you have never met, because you listen to people you have never met who badmouth a man they have never met because they think it will make you watch them more. The result is you probably can't even read Trump's tweets without inserting your own skewed interpretation into them before you finish reading less than 140 characters. And then you expect others to take you seriously. Not gonna work, Haus... that there dog don't hunt.

It's a great opportunity to discredit the 35,000 people that work for FBI!
Never mind that Independent Special Counsel Mueller who is investigating the collusion question has nothing to do with a failed FBI tip-line process in Florida.

It's the same point that crossed my mind as soon as I heard about the report made to the FBI. The FBI screwed up. The FBI missed an opportunity to stop the needless violent deaths of 17 innocent souls, most of then children. The FBI admitted they screwed up. At the same time, the FBI was embroiled in some fantasy witch hunt for evidence that Trump was in cahoots with Russia... which apparently doesn't exist. They managed to indict 4 people Trump knew, 2 of them on nothing more than lying to the FBI, on things not even related to Trump in any way, and they just indicted 13 Russians... but not one single shred of evidence has anyone yet seen on Trump, even though people like you seem to base your life worth on him being guilty of something. And yet, they haven't missed a moment of that investigation, but completely dropped the ball on a disturbed future mass-murderer who posted on social media exactly what he intended to do even after several people telling them he did!

And now you defend them? While calling the shooting a "tragedy"? It sounds like you care more about punishing Trump for something... anything... than you do for the 17 people lying dead.

Do NOT talk down to ME about anything. You have no moral high ground... if you ever did.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: EggZactly

We all miss Obama.

Hell, I miss Bush Jr. at this stage.

Yea he was an idiot but at least an affable one, this dumpster is a whole new low level of loser.

K~

a reply to: face23785
First thing of politics, is that when it is a national election, countries will often interfere in other countries elections. They all do it, even the USA. And they do such to try to get a leader in office, who would be more sympathetic to their point of view or strategy. Usually it is very subtle and nothing too obvious, and they do not like to get caught. It is a bit of a diplomatic issue when countries do get caught.

The Russians have doing propaganda for years, we have even seen it, even some here on ATS have believed it, along with many around the world. And they are very good at it. So why is it so inconceivable that they did not use such to sway the public to vote for one candidate or another? Much of the public relies on social media, be it either facebook or twitter, and if there is enough repeats, people tend to give it weight and thus it spreads. One can see this in various tweets by people, who watching fiction asking if such is true.

There is enough evidence present to say that Russia did indeed interfere in the election, both by electronic and by person's compromised. How effective, or what percentage was affected by such, that is not so easy to tell. However, I would say it was very effective.

a reply to: TheRedneck
The only way that would happen, is that someone close to the president, who was in the campaign, and in the White House, would have to throw themselves on the proverbial sword and be willing to go to prison.

If not, then the report will be compiles, and reviewed by the As. Attorney General. Now congress is going to ask for a copy, and may subpoena it. If it is determined as being within the interest of the public, then it could be released to the public.

If the information could lead to guilt on the part of the President, it would have to be public, as impeachment is a public trial and all evidence would have to be viewed by the public. And if it shows the President is innocent, Trump would want it to go out to the public, holding it up as proof he is innocent.

a reply to: face23785

The Russians interfered in the election. Don't you know that the Russians are expert at this. They have been doing this for years. And it is very effective, on swaying public opinion, even in other countries, where such operations are done. And people believe it, even some here on ATS, have believed some of that propaganda.

I would say that it was effective at what it did. However, many people will not believe that they fell for it, even though they did. It was overt where one could tell, but more subtle, however, we know how they did such, and even now they still are engaging in such activities. Pretty much plant a seed, and then nudge it from time to time and people will be able to do such easily.

Another country assisting in swaying our election. What’s the big deal?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

a reply to: sdcigarpig

But you know who has a much bigger influence that Russia (when it comes to election influencing through the web)? Macedonia. They pushed hard on the last election, yet we don't hear about Macedonian influence.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Can you point to one person who was pro-Clinton and then became pro-Trump because of some Russian propaganda?

a reply to: sdcigarpig

There is no law which forces classified data into the public domain.

TheRedneck