Linking Mass Murders to Psychotropic Medications

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: BotheLumberJack
a reply to: Assassin82

My heart goes out to you, kids don't need to be medicated. The Doctor who invented ADHD /ADD admitted before he passed that there's no such thing, he made it all up.

This confirms what Dr. Jeffrey Schaler says about psychiatry...

He describes it as a fraudulent tool used for political purposes to silence and suppress the masses who openly express beliefs that contradict official dogma...

The diagnosis of mental illness is always a weapon. ~ Dr. Jeffrey Schaler

Thanks, and yeah it's right there in black and white. It's all a lie, and nothing more than a rouse to control and profit from. Really sick that these people are getting away with damaging others, Kids especially. The industry stems on corruption to it's core.

So long as you allow humans to breed like common beasts you will always have 30+% that are deficient enough to carry out these sorts of atrocities.

K~

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Assassin82


The underlying factor is too big to discuss, the general population will suffer, and the people selling the pills will profit. You can only take individual responsibility for your health. Which sometimes means being seen as going against the trend. The modern diet is killing people and no one says a word.

I don't disagree with that, or at least, it is a big contributor to my personal belief of why we're at this point.

There was a time when most of the typical day, humans spent hunting, growing, procuring, preparing and storing their food. It was in the interest of their survival to do so. In our efforts to minimize and expedite that process, we have turned that food into fake filling with horrid health consequences. And the profiteers of this industry have been lying about it all. Sugar, refined carbohydrates and processed food are death stars to the human mind and body. As I said earlier...I can personally attest to that as I've recently put myself into a sugar free and very low carb diet. The changes are mind boggling...the mental clarity I now have makes me feel and think like I'm 10 years younger. And I'm only a couple weeks into the diet. But I digress.

It's not just our dietary customs; it's also our culture of instant gratification. Our culture of fake entertainment and false idols. We have to have everything NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!! Patience is becoming a lost virtue. I despise turning on the television, and even searching through the internet because I know that it is 95% fake. It is not real life. Most of what is real, is spun a certain way. We idolize these horrible people who are nothing but lust and greed and gluttony and every other deadly sin you can come up with. Rapists, pedophiles, murderers, liars, thiefs....but they smile for the camera, show a little charisma, and let the public make them famous. We have Kim Kardashian as a multi-millionaire Hollywood powerhouse and she got famous for making a sex tape and being the daughter of a crappy O.J. lawyer.

And people are obsessed with this fake and unachievable lifestyle that many will do anything to try and live the life they see playing out on TV. Ladders they can't climb, people they can't be with and toys they can't have. They are reaching for mental illness by reaching for what isn't real...not without sacrificing your soul. Of course...there are outliers. Not all famous people are bad people. But who really lives the lives we see play out on television. You gotta make $200 million to score Kate Upton as a wife. Or be a double secret agent/movie star/super hero to be praised and cheered the way you dreamed of. That...all that...is another part of the sickness.

It's easy to lose focus on what's real and what matters in this world. And it's hard to say no TV, no internet, no false idols, no fake food, no big pharma, no status quo, no following the crowd. It's really, really hard to do all that. Because that's the way we are all supposed to live life. So...what's an easy way to do that? Visit your Dr and get a prescription of pills to disconnect you from it ALL!

But those pills...those are what I believe are the final nail in the coffin. They are what separate some of these people from reality. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Aurora and nearly every other...they were all diagnosed with a mental illness and they were all prescribed psychotropic medications.

I tend to think that the number of people, including kids, who have committed suicide due to psychotropic medication is so high that if we actually knew the real number it would be magnitudes higher than the number of people killed in school shootings. Those would be a drop in the bucket. Because it's a really huge bucket.

originally posted by: Indrasweb
a reply to: Boadicea

Hi,

We'll, perhaps it's different in the states.

I've worked in mental health services for 15 years (maybe more, I can't really remember) in the UK. We DO monitor outpatients here for side effects, blood levels etc.

We have MANY people (an ever increasing number in fact) accessing mental health services. Yet we have next to no mass killings.
Patients here have access to the same medications and treatments (probably more access as all healthcare is free).

So what's the difference? Why aren't we having mass killings every month or two? If it was just the drugs then we'd have the same issue here.

I do not doubt your experiential knowledge regarding the matter. However, here's an article from The Telegraph outlining a similar level of disconnect related to antidepressants in the UK, only here it appears to be in the form of suicides and aggressive behavior.

Telegraph

An analysis of 70 trials of the most common antidepressants - involving more than 18,000 people - found they doubled the risk of suicide and aggressive behaviour in under 18s.

a reply to: Assassin82

The only reason for that is because these people are already at higher risk of suicide. It’s not taking the drug that induces suicudeal intent it’s the mental health condition that they have and their social environment. Studies like this demonstrate how these drugs can be ineffective and their ineffectiveness can lead to suicide that is different from saying taking this will drive you to kill yourself.

Stop using mental illness as a scapegoat.

Pills are not the problem guns are.

a reply to: Assassin82


Profit and greed, isn't going to go away, but mass shootings of the young and innocent, has to raise a red flag at the highest levels. Its a symptom of something very fundamental which has gone wrong and cant be put right until the general society is allowed to get on track for a lifestyle that humans can cope with.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
It’s not taking the drug that induces suicudeal intent it’s the mental health condition that they have and their social environment.

I have to disagree. They're drugs. They affect your cognitive abilities. That's like saying alcohol really doesn't get people drunk; they were drunk to begin with and alcohol just gives them social permission to act it out.

a reply to: Assassin82

been on the pulse of this topic for quite awhile.

every one of those killers from the school shootings.. that look in their eye..
where the average joe would side elbow you and say "well that's just a special kina crayzay huhuhuh"...

what i see is something more akin to the look in the eye of someone who's been locked in a hole abused and electroshocked / hypnotized w drugs and abuse into being programmed to do thees kinds of things..

don't tell me that doesn't exist.
and don't tell me that exits for no reason.
it has a reason. and i think we're witnessing it now.

and ANOTHER THING...

does anyone here know exactly WHAT we're talking about?
do the authors???

i mean this as in... the NAME of the DRUGS is never typed.
is that on purpose? is it for copyright or something? libel? or do they just NOT know what they're talking about.?

"SSRI's" ..."anti-depressant" ..these super vague terms

like WHICH DRUGS EXACTLY are we talking about.?????

(also do they ever show ACTUAL non-fudged blood work results from the shooters after they're caught?)

a reply to: prevenge

You raise some great points. It’s not like the media cares about patient privacy; they violate that law all the time. But, as another poster mentioned...to raise that point and name the medications these people are prescribed would go against one of their top advertisers.

Side effects include paranoia, suicidal tendencies, memory loss and confusion...just to name a few. Big Pharma is, in my opinion, complicit in the deterioration of our country’s mental and physical health. And what’s worse...is they know it, profit from it, and manufacture it.

originally posted by: Assassin82
a reply to: prevenge

You raise some great points. It’s not like the media cares about patient privacy; they violate that law all the time. But, as another poster mentioned...to raise that point and name the medications these people are prescribed would go against one of their top advertisers.

Side effects include paranoia, suicidal tendencies, memory loss and confusion...just to name a few. Big Pharma is, in my opinion, complicit in the deterioration of our country’s mental and physical health. And what’s worse...is they know it, profit from it, and manufacture it.

well if these are the results we're seeing from this... OVER AND OVER AGAIN...
...then itt's pretty much as though someone WANTS it there.

a reply to: Blue Shift

You can disagree with me all you want and spin the science to support your agenda but the fact remains.

It’s not the drug that causes the suicide it’s the illness the drug is treating (ineffectivly)

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Mental illness has been around for ever. Our high profit healthcare and pharmaceutical system here in America and around the world has invented, as previously proven, numerous modern day diagnosis’s that don’t exist... Right out of thin air.

There used to be some very awful ways to treat mental illness, ways that make humanity look not so humane. And some very good Dr’a and scientist created medications to more humanely treat those with real issues.

Today, it’s not treating the symptoms, it’s treating the profit/loss margin. When you have a product that has side effects such as paranoia, suicidal ideations, confusion and memory loss...then the drug ABSOLUTELY can be attributed to such crimes or suicidal behavior.

And when people turn their heads from the known side effects and focus on the profit/loss margins; well that is perhaps an even greater and more tragic topic to discuss.

My point is, if someone has ADD/ADHD/OCD/ODD/whatever...they aren’t likely to go on a homicidal/suicidal rampage. But when they take a drug with side effects that very much can put them in a homicidal/suicidal rampage...then I blame the medication for putting them in that state of mind.

a reply to: Assassin82

So what qualifies you to make such claims because to me, someone who works in healthcare they seem fictitious.

There is no actual science that says taking these drugs turns you into a mass shooter for instance.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Assassin82

So what qualifies you to make such claims because to me, someone who works in healthcare they seem fictitious.

There is no actual science that says taking these drugs turns you into a mass shooter for instance.

The side effects listed on the medications is what qualifies me to make that claim.

I worked in the healthcare system as an EMT and flight nurse for 15 years. So there’s that also.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Also, the Medical Dr I linked to the OP who is making the same claim who has done far more research than I ever could...that deserves far more consideration than anything I say.

a reply to: Assassin82

So I asked you what qualifies you to claim that these medications cause people to turn into mass shooters and this was your reply

The side effects listed on the medications is what qualifies me to make that claim.

Are you sure about that.

Also the same medications are used all over the word so why does this side effect one effect Americans, why do the Swedish who also have a lot of guns not also suffer this side effect, why does this not happen in the UK or Australia?

That is where you claim falls down.

Well that and a lack of scientific factd

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He does not know what he is talking about.

We should go back to the days of insulin shock treatment and lobotomies.
Much better treatment than current meds.
What a joke.

People read a possible side effect that could possibly hit a small fraction of people taking the drug so it must be bad.

a reply to: Assassin82

I am bi polar, well so I've been told, however I feel the meds I've been on in the past MAKE me bi polar. I was on seroquel and let me tell you I didn't even know who I was while on them. I was a zombie and I did things I would never have done in my life had I not been on that crap. I finally told my doctor I didn't want to take it anymore. Later I went on prozac, which out of all meds I've ever been on made me feel the most normal minus my lack of emotions. I have been on about 4 different medications and every single one of them seemed to heighten these so called bi polar outbursts. I haven't been on meds in almost two years and I feel so much better! I take kratom which is all natural and hopefully it isn't banned. I use it for anxiety, sleep and pain. It works and I have NO side effects. I don't feel like i want to crawl out of my skin or do things i Would never do. In my opinion many of these medications are BAD and prescribed for all the wrong reasons.

I know of people who have been given seroquel to help them sleep! It's a freaking anti psychotic! Why would any doctor give it for sleep!?!

My friends step son years ago was prescribed seroquel, he was 8!!!!! He was on the same dose I had been on as an adult! Before I knew what he was on she use to talk about how he would say his meds made him tired and sleepy and not able to think or concentrate. Well one day I was at her house and saw the meds and asked who was on that. She told me her son and I immediately said to her "Everything he said he feels is true." We then talked about my experience and she felt terrible because nobody believed this poor kid, They thought he was complaining for attention! I went into his room hugged him and told I believed him because I took the same meds and they made me feel the same way. The look on his face of relief that someone believed him still chokes me up. No kid should feel that way. Needless to say my friend took her son off these meds and found a new doctor.

Too many kids being diagnosed with disorders today and the quick fix is hey take these pills. NO! I remember them trying to label my brother adhd in the 80s early 90s when ADHD was the in label. My mom flat out refused to give him meds and guess what my brother was and is in no way ADHD. It's like they just want a society all doped up on meds. It's sad and dangerous.

a reply to: mblahnikluver

Good for you for sticking up for that young man and helping him out!

It's tough. I know my son hates that he has to take medicine because it makes him feel like a weird kid, or like a misfit. He said that to me once and I had to use every muscle in my body to not break down. But his Mom refuses to try anything other than what the Dr's tell him.

And that's a major problem with this whole disconnect; People instinctively believe what a Dr. is telling them to be God's truth. I had an MRI a few years ago and they found I had a stroke at some point. They prescribed me several medications, lipitor being one of them. It turned me into an emotionless, stupid, tired sack of flesh. I gained weight, my joints and muscles hurt and I couldn't remember large chunks of time...like driving 45 minutes home. Or things my wife told me. When I approached the Dr. about it, he told me that none of those were side effects of Lipitor. Of course, I read reviews of the medication from real life users who had the same experiences. And that's when I learned that Dr's tend to get a kick back from the pharmaceutical companies for prescribing certain medications. I put 2 + 2 together. Stopped taking the pills and after a few days started feeling normal again. I would rather live with a stroke risk than live in a fat, painful, stupor.

I know pharmaceutical company's thrive on diagnosing children with nonsense because most parents don't know how to parent properly and will do anything a Dr tells them. And I'm certain they get a kickback from big Pharma. It's a sick and twisted system that isn't properly addressing the mental health crisis in this country.

Anyway, I'm glad you found your peace and have a solid understanding of it all. Keep looking out for the little ones...they need people like you!