Linking Mass Murders to Psychotropic Medications

*put him on drugs and ignore him, my small pea brain can't handle this*

^^^ every school in the country

a reply to: Boadicea

Hi,

We'll, perhaps it's different in the states.

I've worked in mental health services for 15 years (maybe more, I can't really remember) in the UK. We DO monitor outpatients here for side effects, blood levels etc.

We have MANY people (an ever increasing number in fact) accessing mental health services. Yet we have next to no mass killings.
Patients here have access to the same medications and treatments (probably more access as all healthcare is free).

So what's the difference? Why aren't we having mass killings every month or two? If it was just the drugs then we'd have the same issue here.

This study appears to have been done back in 2008. So the data is slightly outdated. However, it demonstrates that 10 years ago, the U.S. had a significantly higher prescription rate for psychotropic medications compared to Germany and the Netherlands:

The annual prevalence of any psychotropic medication in youth was significantly greater in the US (6.7%) than in the Netherlands (2.9%) and in Germany (2.0%).

Source

Again, I understand the data is 10 years old at least, and that it's only in comparison to 2 other countries including the U.S. It is, however, useful data nonetheless.

a reply to: Assassin82

You put the carriage before the horse. They are on medication because they already have a mental/social issue.
I absolutely agree and support that you can't throw a pill in and expect an entire life of errors, even if it's just 17-25 old, is fixed.
That's the issue more often than not. You simply can't look into peoples head. If I already have issues with social contacts than even if I love my therapist this type of personality doesn't reach out. Parents and family have no way to "access" them too.
People need to make sure they know their children that they trust them and want to know them.
If the family is even just slightly messed up (and all families are) they can never look behind the mask. The kid will lock you out. You're one of "them".
Just another one who judges and expects but doesn't understand. #teenageblues

Besides one psychopharmaca sertraline is more or less questioned since Aurora.
If the person is in a kind of hyper state you have to medicate them to get them to calm, break the state of mind. Long-term medication is always bad and you shouldn't do it unless you suffer from something that would otherwise be terminal. Period.
Problem is you would have to take every one of those with conspicuous behaviour out of their home and environment, to a top noch therapy center for at least 2 month evaluation and than a year or five before you can slowly, gradually release them into the wilderness.

In a nutshell you have to prescribe something in the acute phase, but these kids could all have been saved, unfortunately it was too expensive for the parents/society, or nobody cared enough.

I look at his instagram and see a scream for help.

a reply to: Assassin82

UK doctors prescribed nearly 65 million antidepressants last year (a record number). We've a population of just over 65 million people.
Prescriptions for antidepressants have doubled in the last decade.

Mass killings. Not so much.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: weirdguy
I'm gonna say a big nope on this one. If it were true there would be similar mass murders all over the world.

By the same token, if it was just because of guns there would be mass murder all over the world.

Exactly the US has a culture problem based on violence, it's in the film, media, literature, music, games, constant state of war. To pin the blame on meds or guns is bull#, the problem is much more systemic than just one thing.

originally posted by: Indrasweb
a reply to: Boadicea

So what's the difference? Why aren't we having mass killings every month or two? If it was just the drugs then we'd have the same issue here.

We answered that already:

We DO monitor outpatients here for side effects, blood levels etc.

Your doctors and medical providers are doing that and therefore preventing potential issues (including violence against others). Our doctors and medical providers are NOT doing that and therefore NOT preventing potential issues (including violence against others).

a reply to: Indrasweb


US has more weapons.
UK has more of "smaller violence" issue, but it's so massive they call it culture.


Also you have that little thing called "suicide crisis" in the UK, not? It might be better than killing others but really not much.

Therapist: It's unhealthy to suppress your emotions.

Psychologist: Take this pill, it will suppress your emotions.

The U.S. may have a hypocrisy problem.

No, not just the U.S..

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: nwtrucker

That's a bad and pretty off-topic example you brought but yes it happens (not as often but in general) worldwide

Parents are responsible for their children.
Canibalism is the same as other extreme behaviours like real sexual predator who also kills his victims. That's so rare you will never be able to prevent that.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Assassin82

Best of luck with your kid, my sisters youngest went through some bad stuff and got on the pill table round robin. She recently turned 18 and told her mom and her therapist get me off these things, I am losing who I am. She might have to spend as much time being weaned off them as she has been taking them.


I was wondering about this last night, could it be an unknown side effect from two different pills, or the pills interacting with some of the chemicals we use to preserve our food.

Got me, take someone way smarter than me to figure this out.

Doctors can test you these days to see how your body will react to certain drugs. My sister just had a test done for her 14 year old. It's called GeneSight Psychotropic Combinatorial Pharmacogenomic Test. It's 30 pages of results for every medication out there and tells you whether your body will have normal, moderate, or significant gene-drug interaction to each medicine. You, of course, would only want to take the normal interaction meds. Ask your doc about it next time you visit, I'm gonna do the same. You don't have to be on any meds to get the test done.

I would imagine these shooters would fall under Significant Interaction with the meds they're on. In other words, they were prescribed a drug that didn't work as intended. It instead had extreme effects on them.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: nwtrucker

That's a bad and pretty off-topic example you brought but yes it happens (not as often but in general) worldwide

Parents are responsible for their children.
Canibalism is the same as other extreme behaviours like real sexual predator who also kills his victims. That's so rare you will never be able to prevent that.

Not off-topic at all. He was on psychotropics to begin with. He didn't behead anyone or cannibalize anyone BEFORE he was on the psychotropics. Hello? That is in response to lesser publicized incidents outside the U.S. that doesn't involve 'guns and the Constitution'.

The psych experts claim he committed this act due to failing to take his drugs. If you don't see the spin in this....

I will make it simpler to understand. None of these incidents occurred before taking the psychtropics, only after. Fathers have been teaching their kids in the U.S. how to shoot and respect firearms since the beginning of this nation. These incidents are very new when compared to the 200+ plus years without any significant number of similar trends.

Logic demands that something else has changed. Guns and gun ownership hasn't changed. All 300 million weapons in the U.S..

The psychotropics are a 'change'. They are a factor.

How many that are positive it's drugs are doctors? Pharmacologists?
Prob not many but you knew someone 10 years ago on meds so you have it figured out.

We can't know how much better or worse these people would have been without the meds.

a reply to: nwtrucker

That's why these drugs should never be prescribed over long time. And most of them you should only reduce gradually with a doctor.
Okay, I guess I half-agree
I would say we use them wrong.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
How many that are positive it's drugs are doctors? Pharmacologists?
Prob not many but you knew someone 10 years ago on meds so you have it figured out.

We can't know how much better or worse these people would have been without the meds.

One one sense, we can know. No mass shootings by those on psychotropic before taking them. Each and every one only after taking them.

Back in 2007 I crafted the Active Shooter Response Plan and Training Program for the U.S. Air Force Academy. We were the first DoD Service Academy to implement this type of comprehensive program and have not had a single incident since, despite having 4000+ Cadets. Within my training, and after conducting vast research, I discovered a 100% common denominator across ALL incidents involving Active Shooters and many other violent incidents. The #1 Root Cause is Mental Instability. Leading to the Effect of these folks being prescribed some form of Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) Drug. i.e. Zoloft, Prozac, ect. This leads to another Cause, which is these drugs are usually build up drugs, and after a period, they'll lose their potency, and after doesn't "Cure" the individual. So they stop taking the drug or stop treatment or both. If they don't wean off these drugs...they experience Serotonin Whiplash, and this is when the horror starts, hence the End State Effect. Oddly enough, many if not all Law Enforcement Agencies I shared this with, removed this portion of my training, but if you doubt me, Big Pharma is threatened, and they'll do anything to keep pushing their poison into our society.
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- Charleston, SC
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originally posted by: Assassin82
Yet another school shooting, and immediately the conversation turns to guns. This thread isn’t about guns though...it’s about what I believe to be the true and underlying force behind this social disconnect demonstrated by lost souls who go on a rampage and commit atrocities on a seemingly weekly basis.

Psychotropic medications; they are a common link to almost all mass murders. Our perception of mental illness is flawed. Flawed in the sense that we seek pills to cure our woes rather than face the fears of life head on. Those pills are disconnecting people from their own humanity.

**I’m hoping to create a conversation on this topic in light of yesterday’s school shooting. Im not an expert, just someone with an opinion like everyone else. If this conversation takes off, I won’t be able to interact with it much until later in the day. But I’m hoping a thought provoking dialogue can be had among all contributors. This isn’t a hit and run thread. I’ll return and contribute more later today when I can.**

And with that I’d like to start with this interview done by Joe Rogan with Dr. Kelly Brogan, a Psychiatrist and Net York Times best selling author. If you don’t like Joe, that’s cool. But give her a listen if you’re willing.

**I’m on my mobile at the moment, so not sure if the video will pop up or just the link. Sorry in advance**

Kelly Brogan Interview

Here's a direct link to an article she wrote discussing the matter.

Mass Shootings: The New Manifestation of an Ancient Phenomenon and their link to Psychiatric Drugs

And some additional information from a Mental Health Watchdog groupPsychiatric Drugs and Mass Shootings

originally posted by: toysforadults
*put him on drugs and ignore him, my small pea brain can't handle this*

^^^ every school in the country

I believe that allows the school to get a higher amount of federal funding. If it's not that, it's Special Ed that brings in more, so schools will try to get you to put your kid in Special Ed even though they're perfectly normal.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Guess you figured it out then

That the only change in their life?

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: nwtrucker

Guess you figured it out then

That the only change in their life?

No! But it is a factor. Now add in 'Big Pharma'. Once one is on a psychotropic, coming off of it is dangerous and they tend to use yet another (profitable) drug to get one off of the first (Profitable) drug.

Do nothing is fine with them as well...a lifetime customer on a psychotropic.

The number of toddlers, 2 years old and younger, on drugs is now what over 2 million?? The media won't point any of this out. Big Pharma is the biggest advertiser they have!

At the least, this is worth a far deeper investigation by the authorities than we're getting now.

P.S. I have worked in a drug rehab facility and I can attest that psychotropics are far worse to come off of than any street drug or pain killer.