Proof that an advanced civilisation existed. Case closed.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


Good question....Because its everywhere on a rocky planet, all the elements are in it. Wherever you go all you have to take with you is the portable technology , then you can build stuff. I don't think we had the tech. simply because you wouldn't give a kid a machine gun for their birthday.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuckBecause their genesis comes from the true "Stone Age". And actually if you think about it, the processing of stone is the most cost effective material to build with, if, you have the technology to manipulate it. You don't have to smelt it, its already smelted. Stronger and greater longevity than wood. And if you were to land some day on a baron rock called a planet, its the only material to work with. Your not going to wait a couple of hundred years for a forest to grow, that you have to plant, or build a smelting plant to produce metal. Reminds me of the Marine motto "Improvise, Adapt, Overcome". It seems everything must go through Baby Steps.....

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

We 'fart around with stone' but we're still highly advanced. When we use stone, what are the reasons? there you go

originally posted by: andre18

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

We 'fart around with stone' but we're still highly advanced. When we use stone, what are the reasons? there you go

Other than artwork, what construct is made entirely from stone (in the modern age?)

Tombs, that's what.

Harte

originally posted by: andre18
We 'fart around with stone' but we're still highly advanced. When we use stone, what are the reasons? there you go

In deed we do. I live in a brick house made in c. 1730. Brick is not stone. The original mortar is lime-based. Stone-built buildings (i.e. quarried stone) is pretty rare nowadays in as the basis for any building, certainly where I live. Most buildings of scale are now made from concrete. Concrete, like brick, is manufactured.

I would speculate that if the Egyptians were "advanced" then they would not have used quarried stone. They would have used chemistry to invent (modern) concrete, rather than smaller amounts of lime-based cement that was used as a filler. The pyramids are also such a basic design - low risk and simple if you have some basic understanding of geometry and such. Compare a pyramid to a cathedral build 1,000 years ago (for example) and consider which one is more "advanced".

a reply to: moebius

The metal pins in the slab of the southern Queens shaft is a good example of intentional wiring.

Why have metal inside a tiny shaft deep in a pyramid? Why only there?

Why no scorch/soot marks in the pyramid from torches when you can't even reflect light into the pyramid. What other way did they light the inside?

Lost technology of course.

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originally posted by: Harte
Other than artwork, what construct is made entirely from stone (in the modern age?)

Tombs, that's what.

Harte

Keep in mind we're talking about a narrative where an ancient civilization was lost, the people fled, took what they could in the heat of the moment, and then built these stone structures in place of the material they would normally use.

If you look at some of the videos in my thread and this one, you notice the lack of care given to getting the work done to our professional standards using machine equipment. As if the people knew how to use the tools but weren't using it to the best of their ability, implying that the technology was so advanced the need for high skill was lost as a result of the easiness of the equipment. Think about it. They were making do.

originally posted by: paraphi
The pyramids are also such a basic design - low risk and simple if you have some basic understanding of geometry and such. Compare a pyramid to a cathedral build 1,000 years ago (for example) and consider which one is more "advanced".

Yep, so think about it, a basic design for a basic purpose. The cathedral isnt for a basic purpose, so we can already take from that, that the pyramids were built not for something as culturally or intellectually significant. And yet we are told it is - the tomb of dead kings. But we already have an amazingly built elaborate built tomb for the them - the valley of the kings. And with hieroglyphs all around inside it. Non inside the pyramid what so ever. So doesn't that tell you the tombs of kings in the pyramids was practiced at a later date then the original purpose of what it was used for, that was intended to be housed in the pyramids?

originally posted by: andre18

originally posted by: Harte
Other than artwork, what construct is made entirely from stone (in the modern age?)

Tombs, that's what.

Harte

Keep in mind we're talking about a narrative where an ancient civilization was lost, the people fled, took what they could in the heat of the moment, and then built these stone structures in place of the material they would normally use.

So they fled and started building with stone?
Okay, assuming that, where's their older, more advanced stuff? There's never been a trace of it found.
And, you're saying that none of the survivors would care to re-establish what they had earlier?

Sounds pretty fishy.

originally posted by: andre18If you look at some of the videos in my thread and this one, you notice the lack of care given to getting the work done to our professional standards using machine equipment. As if the people knew how to use the tools but weren't using it to the best of their ability, implying that the technology was so advanced the need for high skill was lost as a result of the easiness of the equipment. Think about it. They were making do.

So, they didn't do work to the standard of the equipment you claim they had?
Where's the equipment?

originally posted by: andre18

originally posted by: paraphi
The pyramids are also such a basic design - low risk and simple if you have some basic understanding of geometry and such. Compare a pyramid to a cathedral build 1,000 years ago (for example) and consider which one is more "advanced".

Yep, so think about it, a basic design for a basic purpose. The cathedral isnt for a basic purpose, so we can already take from that, that the pyramids were built not for something as culturally or intellectually significant. And yet we are told it is - the tomb of dead kings. But we already have an amazingly built elaborate built tomb for the them - the valley of the kings. And with hieroglyphs all around inside it. Non inside the pyramid what so ever. So doesn't that tell you the tombs of kings in the pyramids was practiced at a later date then the original purpose of what it was used for, that was intended to be housed in the pyramids?

We already have a lot of things that came to be long after the Old Kingdom.

But "we" didn't have the Valley of the Kings tombs when the GP was being built. They came a thousand years later. In the Old Kingdom, Giza was a cemetery.

The fact that the tombs in the Valley of the Kings post-date the Giza tombs by a thousand years has been known for a hundred years or so.
So we don't need to be told this by the lack of hieroglyphs in the GP. Besides, in that era, such decorations were reserved for the temples built in front of the tombs at Giza. The Valley tombs have no exterior temples.

Harte

a reply to: andre18


Is it by some coincidence that the sites with the high tech. stone work especially in South America look like they have been purposely destroyed, these structures built to withstand just about any calamity, look like they have been thrown around like discarded toys ? not just south America but the type of brimstone which doesn't occur in nature, can still be lit at Sodom and Gomorra. Lot was advised by celestial beings to get out of the place. Not only there but in Uzbekistan, centers of power seem to be targets. Where the deluge, doesn't end the present civilization a few strategic bombings were employed as well? The Indus valley civilization has high levels of radiation as well. Some of these advanced structures show melting and heat damage. Once you step away from the traditional narrative, and accept that we might not be the first high tech society. unable to handle the technology their seems to be a myriad of possibilities.
If a high tech society was turned into a load of refugees, who did it?

Power tools? no.. nor planes or nuclear weapons or other advanced technological tools.

Advanced technologies don't poof into existence. They evolve over time. We wouldn't be where we are now, unless a multitude of technologies and sciences did not evolve. Fuels, chemicals, modes of transportation and a transportation system (including roads, canals, airports, etc.), power tools did not just come to be one day.

We can find many things from the time periods when those stones were cut, including metal, and sometimes wood items. Yet we can't find any power tools.. blades.. engines.. or proof of all the technologies that would have had to come -before- power tools (and probably after).

So apparently all the advanced tech mysteriously disappeared.. can't be found for some strange reason. Can find plenty of other ancient weapons and artifacts and curious. But.. no advanced tech. Just rocks supposedly cut with advanced tech. Find me an ancient engine, then we have something.

originally posted by: fleabit
Power tools? no.. nor planes or nuclear weapons or other advanced technological tools.

Advanced technologies don't poof into existence. They evolve over time. We wouldn't be where we are now, unless a multitude of technologies and sciences did not evolve. Fuels, chemicals, modes of transportation and a transportation system (including roads, canals, airports, etc.), power tools did not just come to be one day.

We can find many things from the time periods when those stones were cut, including metal, and sometimes wood items. Yet we can't find any power tools.. blades.. engines.. or proof of all the technologies that would have had to come -before- power tools (and probably after).

So apparently all the advanced tech mysteriously disappeared.. can't be found for some strange reason. Can find plenty of other ancient weapons and artifacts and curious. But.. no advanced tech. Just rocks supposedly cut with advanced tech. Find me an ancient engine, then we have something.

But isnt that the thing though? When exactly were the stones cut? Just because artifacts were/are found in proximity to the cut stones doesn't mean that they are from the same time period...

They have found artifacts and weapons from the advent of mankind. It doesn't matter what time period they are from. Just think about us.. now. Even millions of years from now, I have a feeling there will be many preserved vestiges of our civilization.

It just makes no sense.. we would have found -something-.. not nothing at all. Archaeologists often find cities or towns or villages pancaked atop one another.. digs can find many civilizations that were in the same location. If they find something created by a supposed advanced technology, they'd also find -some- sign of that technology.

originally posted by: Harte
So they fled and started building with stone?
Okay, assuming that, where's their older, more advanced stuff? There's never been a trace of it found.
And, you're saying that none of the survivors would care to re-establish what they had earlier?

Sounds pretty fishy.

Obviously its been thousands if not tens of thousands of years, all metal structures erode into the earth, including the equipment. Here is a perfect example -

You cant find what doesn't last erosion. It depends if those that fled had the know how to recreate what was lost. If you get a million people randomly from a country to reconstruct our current capacity of living with only a few hundred large boxes of valuables and keep in mind computers will need DAILY recharge, from home power points and power plants that dont exist anymore Then it wont take long for our ways to be lost into future generations.

We already have a lot of things that came to be long after the Old Kingdom.

But "we" didn't have the Valley of the Kings tombs when the GP was being built. They came a thousand years later. In the Old Kingdom, Giza was a cemetery.

The fact that the tombs in the Valley of the Kings post-date the Giza tombs by a thousand years has been known for a hundred years or so.
So we don't need to be told this by the lack of hieroglyphs in the GP.

That doesn't imply the pyramids were still used for king tombs other then we know they were used as that purpose at some point. There are pyramids built at the same time as the valley of the kings, but of a less quality of skill.

Besides, in that era, such decorations were reserved for the temples built in front of the tombs at Giza. The Valley tombs have no exterior temples.

What has the Valley of the kings, having to exterior temples have todo with anything

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: andre18 If a high tech society was turned into a load of refugees, who did it?

I personally dont think it was nuclear war, but an asteroid. check out this vids

a reply to: andre18


That's pretty mind blowing, how were they lit, did they know the cataclysm was coming, where's all the spoil from the excavations. Since their is also a tunnel system which has been sealed of in South America, it seems pretty compelling. Why isn't their any tech left , most likely it got recycled.

a reply to: anonentity

"Grave robbers" hold all the secrets. The global flash
flood buried all this crap as it was. From a meteor hitting the ocean. The first people who dug it up, who we will never know, used the tech to develop the electronics industry. When you look into the history of technology, the inspirations are obvious.

So, if their were advanced machines and high tech being used, why is there no evidence for the machines? And no matter how you answer that, why is the medium (stone) from the time period but not the methods? This world is a bit different than what most think IMO. Read the testimony of Solomon. It answers these questions.

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

Back to basics.

Why not if you can make it work?

Sucks for drywallers tho.

I should be working right now and here i am watching that video. Thank you for sharing, it's amazing and simply logic.


PS. To all of you thinking of modern explanations as to why would an advanced civilization build with stone instead of advanced materials - you are not thinking this through. These tombs/shelters were made from stone and MADE to last because all other majestic things they've built from modern cement, super hard glass and 'nano materials' did not survive.
It's simply logic.