Proof that an advanced civilisation existed. Case closed.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

The evidence is the saw marks themselves. The idea is to get this behind us because it itself it physical evidence that they used some kind of saw, it is really undeniable. The focus should be totally on the nature of those machines, what were they made from, what powered them and who used them.

Squabbling about the fact that they are, or are not, some kind of automated cutting technology is akin to a baby crying because it dropped it's rattle.

However, we know the AEs actually DID use saws to cut stone, when it was called for. They left drawings of them doing it. In fact, such cuts have been demonstrated in modern times with sand abrasives and copper blades.
Does it explain EVERY cut? Probably not. But it explains almost every cut, and pretty much all the cuts the fringe salivate over.

Harte

The inside 90 degree angle cuts, the huge surfaces and also the core lines that show the speed and force of a bit we cannot even achieve today --- those are the biggies. Copper and Quartz did not do this. I had always suspected that they used glue covered chorded line with impregnated hards (quartz, diamond?) and big wheels. Trouble is some of these cuts could never be done like that.

a reply to: Harte


Most of the evidence pre dates the AE's they were already the survivors picking up the pieces.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

Scientists don't allow themselves to make things up, that's why the idea of using animals isn't dominant.
The AE's left artwork showing how they hauled heavy stone materials, and no animals are shown in the art doing this job.

Obviously, that doesn't meaan they didn't use animals. But science deals with the evidence, and the evidence shows otherwise.

Harte

Yeah, 40 stories worth with a plumb bob, a stick and a square.

What seems so impossible about that?

Harte

Oh, I don't know, maybe they didn't need surveyors or any planning, architects or logistics or the ancient equivalent.

Maybe they tweeted to the population using real birds, what needed to be done first and when.

Hand level a couple hundred acres of rock. Maybe dragging 100 ton rocks back and forth to smooth it out.


Be my guest and go for it. Slap one together on the fly.

I'll give you 25 yrs or so.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Hand level a couple hundred acres of rock. Maybe dragging 100 ton rocks back and forth to smooth it out.

You know you can use a trough of water to make a good, large level. I wonder where they could find water to do that... hmmm...

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

originally posted by: blackcrowe
a reply to: fromtheskydown

The onus is on the one who posted the thread to provide evidence.

They can't. And never will.

There is no evidence in any of those vids. Just wild claims.

The evidence is supplied in the video. You have to do something that might come as a shock to you, open your eyes, and look. Review the evidence.

I am quite impressed with what has been discovered about ancient drilling processes. What shocks me is some people refuse to look. Oh, wait a minute, never mind, its against some peoples religion to do that..... Keep your binders on......

I have looked. I don't see anything advanced. Just misrepresented.

Are you accusing me of being religious? I'm offended by that remark. Look at my reply to the poster where he mentioned 2 religions. look at my reply. Open YOUR eyes.

a reply to: badw0lf

Funny... you left your comment barely ten minutes after the OP was made yet the video is 40 minutes long. Clearly you didn't take the time to thoroughly vet the information before offering your empty opinion...

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Hand level a couple hundred acres of rock. Maybe dragging 100 ton rocks back and forth to smooth it out.

You know you can use a trough of water to make a good, large level. I wonder where they could find water to do that... hmmm...

Rain.

Yeah, I know.

But that won't level the rock now will it.

a reply to: blackcrowe

Modern science has become a religion.

Denying all that does not fit within its limited criteria of establishment approved pundits and peer reviewed jargon.

a reply to: charlyv

The idea of getting behind you lot left a long time ago.

I used to think like that. But, i opened my eyes.

I was watching a Graham Hancock presentation a while back. He brought up the intriguing idea that cutting and manipulating stone is a universal skill that any intelligent species would master, and works on any planet because it is one raw material that will always be there. I am not saying that this was done by extraterrestrials, however somewhere back in our earliest civilization, it is obvious that these skills and technology were learned and subsequently lost.

We will probably never learn more until we find indisputable evidence that they existed. Perhaps there is an undiscovered cave or cavern under the earth that may indeed contain a device used to cut stone like this. What a revelation that would be.

originally posted by: Protectivedaddy
Right what if.........
In the future we perfect time travel and it is us that go back in time with our future tech and make these things as a symbol to show we had been there.........now think about it..........say someone from today was to travel back to 2000bc with today’s tech and military tech they could become king or ruler, then he or she get their new subjects to build symbols to prove they were there.........sounds like the pharaohs.
Right now a question about time travel........if we travel faster than the speed of light for millions of mile then stop and turn round we are suppose to be able to see the past, now if we travel just as fast back going again faster than the speed of light would we arrive back in the past?

We still can't duplicate this technology today. That is the most interesting part of this to me. So it sounds like something the Pharaohs found and some of the structures they at least decorated. Some of them appear to be some kind of otherworldly/other dimension type of depiction. With giant light bulbs in one depiction in the Great Pyramid buildings near Cairo Egypt and at Abe-dos the depictions of flying crafts and even a submarine are found in King Tut's tomb.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: jimmyx
I've always wondered why these "how the pyramids were built" people never contemplated using oxen, elephants, horses....they all show in their "recreations" scores or hundreds of human slaves pulling these stones on ramps

Quackademia has been around for a long time.

Aren't we, 4000 yrs later still insisting that's how it was done?

Scientists don't allow themselves to make things up, that's why the idea of using animals isn't dominant.
The AE's left artwork showing how they hauled heavy stone materials, and no animals are shown in the art doing this job.

Obviously, that doesn't meaan they didn't use animals. But science deals with the evidence, and the evidence shows otherwise.

Harte

I think the Al Gore 'scientist' types have tidied a good bit of funds on his favorite profit making thing. I would say if you do or not believe that is not important. It is if someone offered me the like 100 mil to do something I would consider it long and hard and hope I still keep my science being about the truth. We all know some people will take the money and run too.

a reply to: anonentity

TextIf you have followed this, thread, and observed, and have even looked at the Antikythera mechanism, you can see history isn't a warm fuzzy progression, it requires a set of circumstances, which only need a hundred years to go from a horse and cart to an aero plane. What the naysayers are suggesting that in the hundreds of thousands of years of human history those set of circumstances haven't occurred before because we are SPECIAL.

What are you on about? 100 years from horse and cart. LOL. The steam engine has been being used for transport since the 1700's. An updated version of wind and water driven power. That's a lot more than 100 years. Stop listening to that fuzzy haired idiot off AA,

a reply to: HorizonFall

I'm not a scientist. But, science apparently only relies on evidence.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: anonentity
If these purported civilisations were so 'advanced', why would they be farting around with stone?

Well, they were "advanced," but only when it came to rocks. They apparently weren't very advanced with regard to plastics or complex ceramics and glass or highly refined metals, or like... not just dying out and vanishing until they were dug up centuries later.

If they were so advanced, instead of tediously carving rocks they might have been better off making guns or rockets or something to defend themselves against the Greeks and Romans.

I think you missed the point this one time. I take it to be by watching the vid and remembering books on these matters I have read, the people we know of as Egyptians inherited something and their society never could move those stones.

If they built it all, then they would have never lost how to do it. Plus since they supposedly built things in the Upper Kingdom, then they had it all along and moved north along the Nile. Expanding to the Mediterranean Sea.

If that tech was so good, then the Greeks take the good stuff. No way they wouldn't unless they didn't find it. Plastics and most any metal oxidizes to dust over time if not kept safe like the places archaeologist find tools/weapons at digs.

originally posted by: charlyv
I was watching a Graham Hancock presentation a while back. He brought up the intriguing idea that cutting and manipulating stone is a universal skill that any intelligent species would master, and works on any planet because it is one raw material that will always be there. I am not saying that this was done by extraterrestrials, however somewhere back in our earliest civilization, it is obvious that these skills and technology were learned and subsequently lost.

We will probably never learn more until we find indisputable evidence that they existed. Perhaps there is an undiscovered cave or cavern under the earth that may indeed contain a device used to cut stone like this. What a revelation that would be.

I think in Indiana Jones, the scene where they box up the "Arc of the Covenant" and it goes to the warehouse in the US National Archives is an example of what might have happened to the evidence they can destroy and keep from the academic world. I believe the US has destroyed evidence of artifacts concerning history if it keeps ideas out of the official, allowed discussion.

a reply to: blackcrowe

Just misrepresented.

Okay, I can buy that. Now, share what you believe to be misrepresented, and how. And please point out the equivalent machinery that can replicate what is seen.

The great and holy religion of the PRP (Pier Review Paper).

a reply to: moebius

Where are the remains of their advanced tools? Where are the advanced ancient skycrapers, bridges, tunnels, etc? Or other advanced thinks like building wiring and plumbing...

Good question. Where are they? Many say they have been hidden, I imagine you disagree with that.

Just a heads up, if you are going to ROFL, ROFL somewhere else.

originally posted by: charlyv
I was watching a Graham Hancock presentation a while back. He brought up the intriguing idea that cutting and manipulating stone is a universal skill that any intelligent species would master, and works on any planet because it is one raw material that will always be there. I am not saying that this was done by extraterrestrials, however somewhere back in our earliest civilization, it is obvious that these skills and technology were learned and subsequently lost.

We will probably never learn more until we find indisputable evidence that they existed. Perhaps there is an undiscovered cave or cavern under the earth that may indeed contain a device used to cut stone like this. What a revelation that would be.

I've said this before, unless everyone was born a master stonemason, there had to be a factor, be it world wide education and a very high level of intelligent population or jet packs and robot dogs. jk/ but AI robots would fit the bill and wouldn't be left lying around.

Now both of them have their own problems looking back through our lenses of today.

A world wide education system. A dream for some.

No way, in my mind, you can have a few individuals teaching a bunch of yokels to do all this.
There needs to be a high level of intelligence in each person, even if they were just strong backs.

There still is the tech involved. These machines, hand held? Seems like they couldn't be stationary.

Cutting would be the smaller problem compared to lifting and moving 100+ ton stones safely and carefully.

This shows what machines we need today to do something on this scale (moving large heavy stuff) It makes sense and is logical. Way cool but not a head scratcher.

But some are telling me, that people were using round hand held rocks to pound out giant rocks to perfection, moving and placing with military precision after a day of pounding. Tennessee Ernie Ford only moved 16 tons a day.

I been watching this being built since 2009. I live close to the airport on Lantau.